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27 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Don’t forget the marijuana dispensaries 

Also, don't forget that the big box stores like Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes, etc., were allowed to remain open, but small businesses and mom & pop stores who had a better chance of control the flow and social distancing of it's customers.

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5 minutes ago, nelblu said:

Also, don't forget that the big box stores like Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes, etc., were allowed to remain open, but small businesses and mom & pop stores who had a better chance of control the flow and social distancing of it's customers.

 

And don't forget, tattoo, massage parlors and pole dancing strip joints reopened a long time here -- certainly they must be essential 😉

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48 minutes ago, wingatesl said:

Why I don't get is why they don't just start cruising. The CDC can't say anything about it. 

 

4 minutes ago, wingatesl said:

Um... how about the fact that the CDC can't make regulations

"Under federal regulations found at 42 C.F.R. §71.31, CDC grants controlled free pratique to vessels entering U.S. ports of entry."  From the CDC website.  So, what the CDC decides as the requirements to grant that "free pratique" is what gets the ship the "free pratique", and without "free pratique", the USCG does not grant entry into the US.  So, most definitely, the CDC can say something about it.

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3 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Well, if the CDC can’t make regulations.......I really don’t see where you are going here 

I am saying that if the cruise lines believe they can do it safely, they should have at it. 

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"Under federal regulations found at 42 C.F.R. §71.31, CDC grants controlled free pratique to vessels entering U.S. ports of entry."  From the CDC website.  So, what the CDC decides as the requirements to grant that "free pratique" is what gets the ship the "free pratique", and without "free pratique", the USCG does not grant entry into the US.  So, most definitely, the CDC can say something about it.

IF there is an issue

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Just now, wingatesl said:

IF there is an issue

What?  Every ship, whether a cruise ship or not, whatever flag they fly, even US, must obtain free pratique every single time they wish to enter US waters.  So, technically, if the USCG Captain of the Port allows a cruise ship to embark passengers, it could leave the US, but without meeting the CDC's requirements for free pratique, it could not re-enter US waters, regardless of whether there was a health issue onboard the ship or not.

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Just now, chengkp75 said:

What?  Every ship, whether a cruise ship or not, whatever flag they fly, even US, must obtain free pratique every single time they wish to enter US waters.  So, technically, if the USCG Captain of the Port allows a cruise ship to embark passengers, it could leave the US, but without meeting the CDC's requirements for free pratique, it could not re-enter US waters, regardless of whether there was a health issue onboard the ship or not.

I was under the impression that they can enter under quarantine. 

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6 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

What?  Every ship, whether a cruise ship or not, whatever flag they fly, even US, must obtain free pratique every single time they wish to enter US waters.  So, technically, if the USCG Captain of the Port allows a cruise ship to embark passengers, it could leave the US, but without meeting the CDC's requirements for free pratique, it could not re-enter US waters, regardless of whether there was a health issue onboard the ship or not.

Found it... Good to know: Ship Sanitation Certificate Information | Quarantine | CDC

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3 minutes ago, wingatesl said:

I was under the impression that they can enter under quarantine. 

If they do enter under quarantine, which is granted by the CDC, then they are under quarantine, meaning that they must remain quarantined on the ship until there is no disease.  That is what quarantine means, and why the Japanese kept the people on the Diamond Princess.  You set a quarantine boundary that excludes your national territory, and let the ship deal with disease until it is disease free.

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Just now, chengkp75 said:

If they do enter under quarantine, which is granted by the CDC, then they are under quarantine, meaning that they must remain quarantined on the ship until there is no disease.  That is what quarantine means, and why the Japanese kept the people on the Diamond Princess.  You set a quarantine boundary that excludes your national territory, and let the ship deal with disease until it is disease free.

And if everyone is vaccinated, and can prove them to be vaccinated, aside for political reasons, there wouldn't be much reason to quarantine. 

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21 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

If they do enter under quarantine, which is granted by the CDC, then they are under quarantine, meaning that they must remain quarantined on the ship until there is no disease.  That is what quarantine means, and why the Japanese kept the people on the Diamond Princess.  You set a quarantine boundary that excludes your national territory, and let the ship deal with disease until it is disease free.

There was no reason for a mass quarantine on Diamond Princess, but that was done since they didn't know what else to do

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21 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

There was no reason for a mass quarantine on Diamond Princess, but that was done since they didn't know what else to do

IIRC they had no choice but to quarantine onboard the Diamond Princess, because the Japanese Ministry of Health forbade them from disembarking.

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1 hour ago, wingatesl said:

And if everyone is vaccinated, and can prove them to be vaccinated, aside for political reasons, there wouldn't be much reason to quarantine. 

It doesn't matter whether everyone is vaccinated, or if anyone is ill, in order to get free pratique, a cruise ship must obtain a "Conditional Sailing Certificate", which means the cruise line has met all the requirements that they have spelled out.  You can consider it to be "political", but this has been the exact same requirements under two opposite administrations, so I don't think so.

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4 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

It doesn't matter whether everyone is vaccinated, or if anyone is ill, in order to get free pratique, a cruise ship must obtain a "Conditional Sailing Certificate", which means the cruise line has met all the requirements that they have spelled out.  You can consider it to be "political", but this has been the exact same requirements under two opposite administrations, so I don't think so.

Can you explain what the term "free pratique" means? As I understand it, it means the captain of a ship wishing to enter a port has to be able to guarantee the vessel is 100% free of contagious disease. Is that your understanding also?

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1 hour ago, smokeybandit said:

There was no reason for a mass quarantine on Diamond Princess, but that was done since they didn't know what else to do

You don't know what a quarantine is.  That was a standard quarantine.  Quarantine does not protect those within the quarantine boundary, it is designed to keep the disease from affecting those outside the quarantine boundary.  Since the shore was Japan, and the ship was Bermuda, the Japanese rightly kept the quarantine boundary outside their nation.  Bringing people from the ship, even to a level 3 biohazard facility to quarantine breaks the boundary, and until the new boundary is set, risks the disease jumping the boundary.  And, then you either have to have your citizens enter the quarantine boundary to service and treat those quarantined, risking their health, or you set up "clean rooms" where the service providers and health care professionals can "decontaminate" between the clean zone and the hot zone.  And this risks boundary jumping as well.

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