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The CDC will decide the date of reopening. Not Bahamas Paradise - as long as it home ports in Palm Beach.  I wonder if it will update its plan to include COVID-19 vaccinated-only passengers (and crew)?  

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Thanks Host JazzBeau for posting this article.  It's hopeful news.  And, I think the Company's thinking is reasonable.  

 

On 4/6/2021 at 8:17 AM, mainelycruising said:

wonder if it will update its plan to include COVID-19 vaccinated-only passengers (and crew)?  

 

Well, they should.  And, considering what a few other cruise companies are doing, I think they will.  

 

Maybe too optimistic, but, with the recent news from NCL, RCI, Viking starting at ports outside of the United States, there has to be some "pressure" to make some baby-steps to some type of cruising normality from United States ports.

 

Having just typed that, I surely don't want a return to cruising so soon that we again experience a cruise ship that will be remembered--by some--as the "not so good ship"  M. S. Petri Covid Dish.  

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During this interim period (waiting on the CDC) Bahamas Paradise Cruises  could provide a day shuttle for Florida passengers to one of the new RCCL Bahama homeports such as Nassau and Grand Bahama Island. At least they would get some casino revenue. I would venture to say they could get quite a few passengers who can't or won't fly. Currently casino ships are  currently allowed to leave Florida ports...just an idea if anyone in the boardroom is listening. 

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20 hours ago, rolloman said:

During this interim period (waiting on the CDC) Bahamas Paradise Cruises  could provide a day shuttle for Florida passengers to one of the new RCCL Bahama homeports such as Nassau and Grand Bahama Island. At least they would get some casino revenue. I would venture to say they could get quite a few passengers who can't or won't fly. Currently casino ships are  currently allowed to leave Florida ports...just an idea if anyone in the boardroom is listening. 

 

That is an interesting idea, but a casino cruise is a round trip from a U. S. port.  What would the CDC think of your idea?

 

If such a trip would be allowed and the cruise line would be depending upon casino revenue, can one imagine how "tight" those slot machines probably would be?  

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One-way cruises between US and Bahamas is fine under PSVA, and the normal rules should apply to opening the casinos in international waters.  BUT you still need CDC permission to sail from a US port...

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3 hours ago, rkacruiser said:

 

That is an interesting idea, but a casino cruise is a round trip from a U. S. port.  What would the CDC think of your idea?

 

If such a trip would be allowed and the cruise line would be depending upon casino revenue, can one imagine how "tight" those slot machines probably would be?  

It would be a round trip.... one way drop off cruise passengers...bring back passengers (Bahamian as well as debarking previous cruise passengers)  for the return. Revenue would be transportation, food and beverage as well as casino . 

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3 hours ago, Host Jazzbeau said:

One-way cruises between US and Bahamas is fine under PSVA, and the normal rules should apply to opening the casinos in international waters.  BUT you still need CDC permission to sail from a US port...

We are already sailing casino from Florida ports.

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47 minutes ago, Host Jazzbeau said:

can you post a link?

In the event you think I am fabricating some kind of a story.....www.victorycasinocruises.com      

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8 hours ago, rolloman said:

In the event you think I am fabricating some kind of a story.....www.victorycasinocruises.com      

And, Victory Casino boats do a less than 24 hour itinerary, and have less than 250 pax and crew onboard, so don't fall under the CSO.  Not sure Bahamas Paradise would choose to operate their ship with less than 250 onboard.

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And, since the casino boat never leaves Florida state jurisdiction over the territorial sea (allowing the gambling), let alone leaving US territorial waters, it does not need to receive health clearance back into the US (which is what the CDC is controlling with the CSO).  Your shuttles to/from the Bahamas would need to obtain clearance, and therefore fall under the CSO.  Further, the crew do not stay onboard over 24 hours on Victory (another requirement to fall under the CSO).  Now, your shuttles to/from the Bahamas, unless they are fully US crewed, would have to have crew onboard for multiple days, which would make them subject to the CSO.

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2 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

And, Victory Casino boats do a less than 24 hour itinerary, and have less than 250 pax and crew onboard, so don't fall under the CSO.  Not sure Bahamas Paradise would choose to operate their ship with less than 250 onboard.

Hey chengkp75:

 

Do you know much about the Jaume II from Balearia Caribbean? Just curious if what makes them exempt from the CSO could be applied to the Grand Classica if BPCL operated it in a similar manner (as a means of transportation to go back and forth to Grand Bahama, with US based crew). I know that the Jaume II has a passenger capacity of 600, but I don't know if they are operating at reduced capacity. Sailings to Grand Bahama and Bimini are currently available for booking. 

 

As always, your expertise is much appreciated. 

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1 hour ago, Tapi said:

Hey chengkp75:

 

Do you know much about the Jaume II from Balearia Caribbean? Just curious if what makes them exempt from the CSO could be applied to the Grand Classica if BPCL operated it in a similar manner (as a means of transportation to go back and forth to Grand Bahama, with US based crew). I know that the Jaume II has a passenger capacity of 600, but I don't know if they are operating at reduced capacity. Sailings to Grand Bahama and Bimini are currently available for booking. 

 

As always, your expertise is much appreciated. 

I don't know anything about the Jaume II, other than a quick Wiki entry.  If she does not have overnight accommodations for pax, that is one difference that would allow her to sail, but not BPCL.  Jaume II is Cypriot flagged, but you say the crew is "US based"?  Does that mean the crew live in the US?  If so, they are either US citizens, US Green Card holders, or have a H2B work visa.  So, either the Bahamas allows the crew to live ashore, or the US does, but the crew cannot stay onboard overnight and operate in exemption to the CSO.  Alternatively, they could get below the 250 total souls number, and allow the crew to remain onboard overnight.

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30 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

If she does not have overnight accommodations for pax, that is one difference that would allow her to sail, but not BPCL.  Jaume II is Cypriot flagged, but you say the crew is "US based"?  Does that mean the crew live in the US?  

I know she doesn't have passenger accommodations but I don't know if she has crew accommodations or if the crew is US based (I mentioned it on my previous post as a "what if" in case it does make a difference). She does have staff to man the food concessions as well as the duty free stores onboard. Sailings leave Ft. Lauderdale early in the morning, go to either Bimini or Grand Bahama, and return in the evening. She remains overnight docked in Ft. Lauderdale.

 

I was just curious, based on the conversation on this thread, if there would be a way to operate the Grand Classica as a ferry to/from Grand Bahama but without using its overnight accommodations and somehow bypass the CSO. Thanks again. 

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10 minutes ago, Tapi said:

I know she doesn't have passenger accommodations but I don't know if she has crew accommodations or if the crew is US based (I mentioned it on my previous post as a "what if" in case it does make a difference). She does have staff to man the food concessions as well as the duty free stores onboard. Sailings leave Ft. Lauderdale early in the morning, go to either Bimini or Grand Bahama, and return in the evening. She remains overnight docked in Ft. Lauderdale.

 

I was just curious, based on the conversation on this thread, if there would be a way to operate the Grand Classica as a ferry to/from Grand Bahama but without using its overnight accommodations and somehow bypass the CSO. Thanks again. 

Yes, the BPCL ship would have to overnight at either end, and the crew not remain onboard.  That would require shutting the ship down completely and cold starting every morning.

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7 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Yes, the BPCL ship would have to overnight at either end, and the crew not remain onboard.  That would require shutting the ship down completely and cold starting every morning.

Wow, very interesting. Thanks again! 

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42 minutes ago, Tapi said:

Wow, very interesting. Thanks again! 

There are other ways around it, I presume the Jaume II plugs into shore power, and then they only need a night watchman.  Or BPCL could take the crew off and have a "night shift" come on from shore to operate the plant overnight  (1 deck officer, 1 watchman, 1 engineer).

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I don’t know how this is possible but BPCL is taking reservations for July 2, 2021 sailings going forward. How is that possible?

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4 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

There are other ways around it, I presume the Jaume II plugs into shore power, and then they only need a night watchman.  Or BPCL could take the crew off and have a "night shift" come on from shore to operate the plant overnight  (1 deck officer, 1 watchman, 1 engineer).

Thanks again. I love tidbits of information about the “behind the scenes”. 

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1 hour ago, pinkie60 said:

I don’t know how this is possible but BPCL is taking reservations for July 2, 2021 sailings going forward. How is that possible?

 

Florida has filed suit in Federal Court in order to get cruising from Florida resuming.

 

If I have interpreted what I have read by the CEO of CCL correctly, the "big dog" of cruising would prefer to continue sailing from Florida ports.  But, again, as I just said. if I read what Mr. Donald said, CCL is ready to "pick up their marbles" and join Celebrity, RCCL, Viking, and NCL, cease sailing from an American port, and start sailing from ports outside of the influence of the CDC.

 

As to your observation that BPCL is ready to take reservations starting July 2, 2021.  They join the long list of cruise companies that have been taking reservations only to have to cancel those trips.  Maybe, this time, given the legal actions and the plans to resume cruising by some of the Companies outside of the United States regardless of what the CDC's current position is, will make a difference.   

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9 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

And, since the casino boat never leaves Florida state jurisdiction over the territorial sea (allowing the gambling), let alone leaving US territorial waters, it does not need to receive health clearance back into the US (which is what the CDC is controlling with the CSO).  Your shuttles to/from the Bahamas would need to obtain clearance, and therefore fall under the CSO.  Further, the crew do not stay onboard over 24 hours on Victory (another requirement to fall under the CSO).  Now, your shuttles to/from the Bahamas, unless they are fully US crewed, would have to have crew onboard for multiple days, which would make them subject to the CSO.

We shall see...just like we have seen with the muster drill changes you so adamantly denied could not happen.  The difference between me and you is...I throw out ideas and innovation....you spend all your time refuting....To sit here once again and say something can't happen is just plain lunacy and to me rings the bell of motive. I will play along...you say they shuttles can't go to a near shore Island for a quick less than 24 hour turn around...and I say (thinking along the lines of innovation) the shuttles go to a certain point and meet the ship....now lets hear some more negativity....

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Really?  You're going to transfer passengers at sea?  There's innovation for you.  Even the Navy knows that is a really poor idea.

 

Next question, where does this transfer take place?  Within 12 miles, so the shuttle does not leave the US?  Then the cruise ship has entered US waters, and needs to clear and meet CDC requirements.  Outside 12 miles?  Then the "shuttle" needs to clear when re-entering US waters, so it would have to be limited to 250 pax and crew.

 

If you don't think the passenger ship would need to clear with USCG to even maintain station with "DP", and not even anchor, look up the concept of "innocent passage".

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