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1 hour ago, rkacruiser said:

 

Florida has filed suit in Federal Court in order to get cruising from Florida resuming.

 

If I have interpreted what I have read by the CEO of CCL correctly, the "big dog" of cruising would prefer to continue sailing from Florida ports.  But, again, as I just said. if I read what Mr. Donald said, CCL is ready to "pick up their marbles" and join Celebrity, RCCL, Viking, and NCL, cease sailing from an American port, and start sailing from ports outside of the influence of the CDC.

 

As to your observation that BPCL is ready to take reservations starting July 2, 2021.  They join the long list of cruise companies that have been taking reservations only to have to cancel those trips.  Maybe, this time, given the legal actions and the plans to resume cruising by some of the Companies outside of the United States regardless of what the CDC's current position is, will make a difference.   

 

The major cruise lines are not serious about moving operations offshore. Even if they were I suspect it would take several years to scale the infrastructure to meet needs. Not to mention the significant loss of business of those unwilling to get passports or unwilling to risk not being able to return on schedule due to an outbreak.

 

Cruising will restart if and when enough Americans get vaccinated to achieve some sort of herd immunity. We just need to be patient.

 

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1 hour ago, chengkp75 said:

Really?  You're going to transfer passengers at sea?  There's innovation for you.  Even the Navy knows that is a really poor idea.

 

Next question, where does this transfer take place?  Within 12 miles, so the shuttle does not leave the US?  Then the cruise ship has entered US waters, and needs to clear and meet CDC requirements.  Outside 12 miles?  Then the "shuttle" needs to clear when re-entering US waters, so it would have to be limited to 250 pax and crew.

 

If you don't think the passenger ship would need to clear with USCG to even maintain station with "DP", and not even anchor, look up the concept of "innocent passage".

Just throwing some chum out there to combat ridiculousness on your part. You still have not bothered to mention you were incorrect about Casino ships currently leaving Florida waters with more than 250 passengers. I am sure it does not fit your agenda. You are going to find out just like you did with muster at sea...if Royal Caribbean successfully pulls off near shore ports of call....there will be shuttles from Florida...whether you like it or not. This whole CDC anti-cruise thing is adversely effecting income in the State of Florida so much so the first salvo by the Governor is to file suit. Standby and watch...

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15 minutes ago, rolloman said:

Just throwing some chum out there to combat ridiculousness on your part. You still have not bothered to mention you were incorrect about Casino ships currently leaving Florida waters with more than 250 passengers. I am sure it does not fit your agenda. You are going to find out just like you did with muster at sea...if Royal Caribbean successfully pulls off near shore ports of call....there will be shuttles from Florida...whether you like it or not. This whole CDC anti-cruise thing is adversely effecting income in the State of Florida so much so the first salvo by the Governor is to file suit. Standby and watch...

Yes, I was incorrect about the number of pax, but there are other considerations that make the Victory Casino boats unique, and not a precursor of starting cruises or "shuttles" from Florida.  Point for you.

 

And, because I'm not a legal expert, I tend to believe others who are, who say that the governor's suit likely has zero standing.  If you think the CDC is anti-cruise, why are the exact same requirements being required under two polar opposite administrations.  Or, if you think the "bureaucratic machine" of the CDC is looking to exert "power" over the cruise industry, just hope that you don't get what you want, the CDC to have less regulations for the cruise industry, or what you are claim is the case, that the CDC is really "out to get" the cruise industry.  All the CDC has to do is drop the VSP, and cruising from the US will disappear.  Imagine every cruise ship being inspected keel to mast top for sanitation, and passengers and crew being interviewed about their health, before anyone is allowed to disembark after the ship docks, and then Customs can start to clear the passengers once the USPH has given the health clearance, every single time the ship enters a US port.  Because that is what they can do to issue a health clearance, if they apply the free pratique standards to cruise ships that they do to other ships.

 

I'm truly curious how you expect to transfer less than optimally fit, untrained people from one vessel to another in the open ocean.  Please, let some of your experience help define your "innovations".

 

I could care less if there are "shuttles" from Florida to another country, I'm just showing the facts, something lacking in your suppositions, as to why they won't happen, unless they operate at levels below the CSO minimums.

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1 hour ago, chengkp75 said:

 

I could care less if there are "shuttles" from Florida to another country, I'm just showing the facts, something lacking in your suppositions, as to why they won't happen, unless they operate at levels below the CSO minimums.

Your facts did not do you much good with the muster drill changes I accurately predicted...secondly, not worried about the CDC...the cruise lines have already introduced a work around...making you and your wishful predictions mute. In addition, with regards to the lawsuit filed... if the State of Florida truly becomes impaired enough from Federal restrictions....the State of Florida has the ability to ultimately secede. Obviously worst case scenario but Key West did a mock up several years ago...mainly in jest... you can't dispute it is an option. 

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9 hours ago, rolloman said:

Your facts did not do you much good with the muster drill changes I accurately predicted...secondly, not worried about the CDC...the cruise lines have already introduced a work around...making you and your wishful predictions mute. In addition, with regards to the lawsuit filed... if the State of Florida truly becomes impaired enough from Federal restrictions....the State of Florida has the ability to ultimately secede. Obviously worst case scenario but Key West did a mock up several years ago...mainly in jest... you can't dispute it is an option. 

Well, I will concede to your blinding logic (though you've never answered how things would be done), and your disregard of facts as "chum", mainly because I don't have the time, energy, or desire to butt against a wall.  I will leave your last suggestion with this:  "Texas v White".

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The Chum was referred to as me throwing bait to you so you could ramble on further.

In the real world this is how it works in a boardroom....ideas are floated and expanded upon. As usual, I posted an idea which needs "expanded upon" and by expanded upon I mean discussing how it could work versus the no way in hell approach you take. You have a deep history of minimizing people who have suggestions. If and it is a BIG if...the cruise lines make near shore homeporting a long time venture versus a couple month stop gap, there will be flexing of rule interpretations to accommodate getting passengers to these near shore sites.  Just like they did with the muster drill ideas you previously ridiculed folks who you did not agree with. In the future, you may want to take as step back as to how you deliver your subject matter expertise to avoid getting egg on your face in the event you ultimately are proven wrong. There are no absolutes in the world today.

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12 minutes ago, rolloman said:

There are no absolutes in the world today.

 

There are many absolutes in the world today. There are also many that chose to live in alternate realities.

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21 hours ago, broberts said:

Cruising will restart if and when enough Americans get vaccinated to achieve some sort of herd immunity. We just need to be patient.

 

Canadians as well need to get vaccinated in order to achieve some sort of herd immunity.  Agree, patience is required.  Patience among many of our countrymen is in short supply during the 21st Century.  

 

21 hours ago, broberts said:

The major cruise lines are not serious about moving operations offshore. Even if they were I suspect it would take several years to scale the infrastructure to meet needs. Not to mention the significant loss of business of those unwilling to get passports or unwilling to risk not being able to return on schedule due to an outbreak.

 

i respectfully disagree that the cruise lines are "not serious".  They need revenue if the companies are going to survive.  If that revenue cannot be derived from guests embarking in a North American port, the companies that have chosen already to attempt to begin sailing from other ports indicate to me that this may, by economic necessity, this may have to be the "new normal" for the cruising industry for the time being.  

 

You may have not read other posts by me where I have argued that whenever this pandemic ends, the cruising industry may have to re-invent itself.  The business model that has been so successful for so many years may need a significant "update".  

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Just a heads up to the doubters.... need to point out the  Balearia out of Fort Lauderdale is already operating doing day cruise and drop off of passengers to the Bahama island Bimini. They have a nice new 1000 ft pier which Virgin cruises utilizes. The island also has a beautiful Hilton Casino Resort. Would not be surprised to see Virgin use this as a homeport soon. 

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1 hour ago, rolloman said:

Just a heads up to the doubters.... need to point out the  Balearia out of Fort Lauderdale is already operating doing day cruise and drop off of passengers to the Bahama island Bimini. They have a nice new 1000 ft pier which Virgin cruises utilizes. The island also has a beautiful Hilton Casino Resort. Would not be surprised to see Virgin use this as a homeport soon. 

 

That is a ferry service.

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2 hours ago, broberts said:

 

That is a ferry service.

The ship, (Balearia) which has the capacity for 600 passengers, is 81 meters long with a hull of 26. It offers accommodation in regular and superior seats as well as a café, shop and dog hotel.

 

Call it a Ferry, call it a Shuttle on steroids...there will be more of them in the event cruising does not come back to Florida in the near future.

 

The basis of my discussion in this thread is about Bahamas Paradise getting in the game of shuttling passengers from Florida to offshore homeport destinations the cruise lines are developing. In reality there is no difference between what they do and Balearia does (other than BP used to accommodate overnight guests). 

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