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9 hours ago, embarkation75 said:

Not happening because if anything the airlines will see an opportunity to spike airline fees. If you were already flying to a US port, then your flight just got more expensive. If you were driving, then your total vacation expense likely will surge in cost. 

Additionally, everyone including children will need a passport for cruises sailing outside of US ports and that will involve an extra cost in addition to the time required to get one. 

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16 hours ago, firefly333 said:

I wonder exactly what restricted revenue means. Occupancy or $1 cruises? How does cdc define reduced revenue? 

I believe that "restricted revenue" cruises as defined in the CSO are the limited and reduced occupancy sailings follow the cruise line's receipt of a certificate to sail.

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14 hours ago, SNJCruisers said:

Great air service to Texas, where you're from maybe.  Zero non stops from JFK, Newark or Philly.  Calica, where Carnival has cruised from in the past would be a better 1 ship choice since you can get non stop flights to Cancun from more areas of the country than Cozumel.  Celica is also on mainland Mexico, whereas Cozumel is an island.

It's all lip service anyway from Carnival.  If the threat moves the needle an inch, then maybe things will be back before November 1 when the CSO expires.

Cancun hotel industry says they do not want to homeport cruiseships.  Cozumel and Nassau appear to want the business.

 

Aida, Costa and Tui have cruises from La Romana DR.  I don't know if that market would support more. Many cruises start in Barbados as well.

 

For East Coast and Midwest U.S. and many Canada cruisers, Nassau and Cozumel seem the best bet.

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On 4/6/2021 at 2:15 PM, pc_load_letter said:

 

You want to shuttle 1000 people from San Diego to Ensenada? lol

 

What would be more realistic is Cabo or Puerto Vallarta. Both have large airports to support the flights from the US.

I agree with you. Both spots would be perfect to add in New Mexican Riviera ports,  besides the usual. Would love to go to Zihuatanejo and  Manzanillo again. 

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9 minutes ago, Trueblueky said:

Cancun hotel industry says they do not want to homeport cruiseships.  Cozumel and Nassau appear to want the business.

 

Aida, Costa and Tui have cruises from La Romana DR.  I don't know if that market would support more. Many cruises start in Barbados as well.

 

For East Coast and Midwest U.S. and many Canada cruisers, Nassau and Cozumel seem the best bet.

 

This is all a band aid from Royal, Celebrity and NCL to generate some revenue over the summer to stop the bleeding.  It's not needed from CCL since 5 of their subsidiaries will be cruising over the summer, whereas Royal only has Celebrity and I don't think that Oceania & Regent (NCL subsidiaries) have any last minute adjustments. 

The bottom line is that Carnival Corporation will have enough cash flow coming in from their 5 lines that are cruising over the summer so that CCL can wait until the CSO expires if need be.

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Carnival already has their "Fly2fun" airline flight program. They could always charter flights to ports outside the U.S...We had a chartered flight out of LAS to LAX then to Papeete for both our Tahiti cruise itineraries years ago. I believe I've also seen Holland America sail out of Ensenada before.  

 

That said, I don't believe that Carnival is necessarily going to have to play that card. The CDC is going to have to justify their actions, possibly before a judge, if CCL pushes it. In other words, treat the cruise lines the same as other travel industries..i.e. hotels, airlines, theme parks etc.

 

Also, If you go back and read Arnold Donald's statement and listen to Christine Duffy's statement you will hear them actually mention that. I believe they were warning shots to the CDC. 

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The Caribbean ports don't have the "Lift" (airport capacity) to handle multiple cruise ships at one time. Also, airline choices would be limited or lengthy layovers for many people. They may do a couple of ships, probably in Mexico and the Bahamas but that's about it.  Plus they need to have purveyors who can handle the large amount of food and other materials needed each week.  Those purveyors would not likely make a major commitment since they will home port back in the U.S. once the CDC says OK.

 

Take care,

Mike

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As it's been mentioned, these Caribbean ports aren't able to home port multiple ships. The longer Carnival waits, the fewer options there will be. Royal Caribbean is expected to announce a ship sailing out of Cancun shortly for the summer(July-Sept). Carnival could potentially sail out of Nassau on Sundays and also Cancun depending what day RCCL sails on.

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14 hours ago, SNJCruisers said:

This is all a band aid from Royal, Celebrity and NCL to generate some revenue over the summer to stop the bleeding. 

It is possibly a little bit of that, but I think it is primarily to stick a finger in the eye of the CDC (and by association the administration) and say "Is this what you want?  You want the entire industry to abandon the US as home ports?  Because we're demonstrating that it is possible."

 

Just think, five years from now, if all the lines leave the US, we'll be dreaming wistfully about being able to actually drive to a port for a cruise.

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9 hours ago, MMastell said:

The Caribbean ports don't have the "Lift" (airport capacity) to handle multiple cruise ships at one time. Also, airline choices would be limited or lengthy layovers for many people. They may do a couple of ships, probably in Mexico and the Bahamas but that's about it.  Plus they need to have purveyors who can handle the large amount of food and other materials needed each week.  Those purveyors would not likely make a major commitment since they will home port back in the U.S. once the CDC says OK.

 

Take care,

Mike

It's funny when I suggested carnival ships from another port only a couple weeks ago the idea was attacked as if I was nuts, saying carnival people dont have passports, do I know how much passports cost, no way... now people are saying well maybe. Lol hahahaha 

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13 hours ago, MMastell said:

Plus they need to have purveyors who can handle the large amount of food and other materials needed each week.  Those purveyors would not likely make a major commitment since they will home port back in the U.S. once the CDC says OK.

 

Take care,

Mike

 

Last week there was a thread on Carnival cruising from foreign ports and it went off the rails and was nuked but myself and another member from CA mentioned how amazing it was to watch the Long Beach terminal load the HUGE amount of supplies for even just a three or four day cruise. Hundreds of cases of beer, thousands of pounds of produce, meat etc.


It will be interesting to see if food and drink selections would be scaled back when\if these foreign port cruises happen.

 

I know here in San Diego, there was a couple cruise ships off the coast who would pop into port for supplies so perhaps they have a plan to be stocked up in US ports then go take on passengers at a different port. But then again, if Nassau can supply them, great for us! I for one would do a CCL cruise if they started up outside US ports.

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Other than 2-3 ships per cruiseline, I don't see any massive move toward foreign port use. Additionally, the conflicting actions of states like Florida are making it more likely cruising will reopen in places like New England and the West Coast first.

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Only way that Carnival will start embarking outside of the US is if the CSO gets extended somehow past November 1. Until then, the 5 subsidiaries in the Carnival Corporation that will be sailing this summer will act as a band aid bringing in a little cash flow. 

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19 hours ago, Lil2Angelic said:

Carnival already has their "Fly2fun" airline flight program. They could always charter flights to ports outside the U.S...We had a chartered flight out of LAS to LAX then to Papeete for both our Tahiti cruise itineraries years ago. I believe I've also seen Holland America sail out of Ensenada before.  

 

That said, I don't believe that Carnival is necessarily going to have to play that card. The CDC is going to have to justify their actions, possibly before a judge, if CCL pushes it. In other words, treat the cruise lines the same as other travel industries..i.e. hotels, airlines, theme parks etc.

 

Also, If you go back and read Arnold Donald's statement and listen to Christine Duffy's statement you will hear them actually mention that. I believe they were warning shots to the CDC. 

I wouldn't count on the CDC having to "justify their actions" too heavily.  Courts give great latitude to government agencies with respect to administrative actions, and particularly when it comes to matters of public health.  Florida has asked the court to declare that the CSO is unlawful.  That is highly unlikely.  The alternative relief that has been sought from the court is that the cruise lines be able to sail with "reasonable safety protocols".  No court is going to try and define what that means even IF they were to issue such an order.  Likely the court would throw it back to the CDC to try to determine what is "reasonable", essentially leaving the cruises lines in their current predicament.  

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In 2011, I took a 5 day cruise from Mobile, AL on the Elation. The two ports were Cozumel and Playa del Carmen. Tropical storm Lee delayed the cruise and it was shortened to 4 days and ported only at Cozumel. What happened with Playa del Carmen as a cruise port?

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1 hour ago, Sotermarler said:

This is so exciting. I don’t care where they leave from now as long as I can get on a ship! 

You have many other options if you want to get on a ship with Royal, NCL or even Celebrity.   If you're waiting just for Carnival,  it will probably be determined by what happens with the CDC.

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46 minutes ago, ericr said:

i hope Ensenada for west coast, easy drive and beautiful port, enough of heavy handed government here in the socialist states of America 

Too funny. You have the freedom to leave the Democratic Socialism of the US for the Cardenism flavor of Socialism in Mexico.

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2 hours ago, ledges1 said:

In 2011, I took a 5 day cruise from Mobile, AL on the Elation. The two ports were Cozumel and Playa del Carmen. Tropical storm Lee delayed the cruise and it was shortened to 4 days and ported only at Cozumel. What happened with Playa del Carmen as a cruise port?

If it was a gravel pit, it was Calica. If you tendered, you went into PDC, although PDC was trying to build a pier for cruise ships.

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I'm surprised there are no threads about the disaster of a mess CCL has turned into since ownership last changed hands. For those who cruised them for years, there's no avoiding the difference. I used to love sailing CCL. I'm a Platinum cruiser with them. But my last cruise a few years ago was a disgusting disappointment. The ship was chopped up - cabins cut in half, no public space,  way too many guests for the little public space they had left. The greed ruined them. I booked back on NCL but like everyone else my cruise got cancelled due to Covid.

 

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15 hours ago, toad455 said:

As it's been mentioned, these Caribbean ports aren't able to home port multiple ships. The longer Carnival waits, the fewer options there will be. Royal Caribbean is expected to announce a ship sailing out of Cancun shortly for the summer(July-Sept). Carnival could potentially sail out of Nassau on Sundays and also Cancun depending what day RCCL sails on.

Cancun is just saying no to cruise ships.

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On 4/7/2021 at 12:44 AM, dave_k58 said:

Cozumel would definitely be my first choice.  It has one of the biggest ports and also great air service. 

and you might get to stay an extra couple of weeks!

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2021/03/28/mexico-covid-travel-stuck-covid-test-positive-cdc-international-flights/6982341002/

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