Public Health Emergency Renewed effective 4/21/21

[HBCcruiser]

22 hours ago, Spif Barwunkel said:

As tough as it is, we do have to face reality. The Bahamas are having it rough again and probably would not be a welcoming port of embarkation for cruise ships. Any Nassau / Bimini RCCL sailings are probably a no-go at least until November. 

 

Disappointed, disgruntled and disapproving cruisers really have no say so in the matter. Nor should they. Suck it up and be thankful you don't have the responsibility for millions.. I certainly am glad you don't.

BAHAMA'S CURRENT COVID-19 DATA: 

 

Total Population in the Bahamas = 396,304

Total number of deaths overall due to C19 = 194

Total number of deaths last week = 1

Total number of C19 cases last week = 55

Total number C19 cases overall = 9,791

 

Sauce:

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/bahamas-population/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/bahamas/

[d9704011]

4 minutes ago, HBCcruiser said:

BAHAMA'S CURRENT COVID-19 DATA: 

 

Total Population in the Bahamas = 396,304

Total number of deaths overall due to C19 = 194

Total number of deaths last week = 1

Total number of C19 cases last week = 55

Total number C19 cases overall = 9,791

 

Sauce:

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/bahamas-population/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/bahamas/

Less than 4% of the Bahamian population has received a first dose of vaccine.  Sometimes the controls and restrictions  are not all about you and me.

[jean87510]

3 hours ago, DCGuy64 said:

I watched the news a lot last year, probably more than was good for me. I remember that there were times when some hospitals, in some areas, were overwhelmed. The crisis was real. But unfortunately too many people in our culture seem to think that some crisis means lots of crisis, without getting into the nitty gritty of NYC vs rural South Dakota. And when people on here or elsewhere lead with "well someone I know was in a bad way, so stop saying it wasn't that bad," they're committing 2 errors: first, they assume that their incident is typical of everyone, everywhere, which it isn't, and second, they gravitate towards news reports that confirm their worst fears, aka observation bias. It isn't a binary issue, i.e. was Covid really bad last year or wasn't it? It was very bad, in some areas, at given points in time. It was NOT an ongoing crisis everywhere, all of last year. Interestingly, I saw a CDC stat saying that 78% of people who were seriously ill or died from Covid were overweight or obese. Why isn't the CDC warning people about being overweight? Who knows?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html

I agree with you completely.  I understood your point although others didn't.  I decided early on that staying healthy and getting sunshine and exercise would help me both psychologically and physically. I ended up losing 28 lbs and can now easily run long distances and learned how to ride an elliptical bike.  BP, blood sugar and other blood work have gone to great levels.  I did not get covid at all luckily.  I had 7 living in my house at one point but we all kept working outside the home.  I think it was worse to confine healthy people in their homes.  Our governor closed our parks.  I resorted to driving to different neighborhoods to run just to get a change in scenery.  Looking back, Im glad at least something was positive from the past 13 months.

[DCGuy64]

20 minutes ago, jean87510 said:

I agree with you completely.  I understood your point although others didn't.  I decided early on that staying healthy and getting sunshine and exercise would help me both psychologically and physically. I ended up losing 28 lbs and can now easily run long distances and learned how to ride an elliptical bike.  BP, blood sugar and other blood work have gone to great levels.  I did not get covid at all luckily.  I had 7 living in my house at one point but we all kept working outside the home.  I think it was worse to confine healthy people in their homes.  Our governor closed our parks.  I resorted to driving to different neighborhoods to run just to get a change in scenery.  Looking back, Im glad at least something was positive from the past 13 months.

Good on you!!

And I was also agreeing with you, though looking back at my response, that might not have been clear. Sorry about that. It's very impressive, no, admirable, that you took advantage of the time to improve your health. That's awesome! 👍

[HBCcruiser]

1 hour ago, Ashland said:

Unfortunately suites have no other option on RCI.

I am in a suite on the Adventure July 17, 2021. I was able to book a refundable ticket. Can you please clarify? Is this on certain sailings? 

[Sunshine3601]

5 hours ago, DCGuy64 said:

I know. Remember that Navy medical ship that was sent to New York harbor to relieve pressure on the "overwhelmed" NYC hospitals? Wonder why the mainstream media didn't cover its departure like it did its arrival? Oh, I don't know, maybe ratings?

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/04/30/hospital-ship-comfort-departs-nyc-having-treated-fewer-than-200-patients/

Fewer than 200 patients. Some "crisis." 🤷‍♂️

Same with this article, field hospitals barely used.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/coronavirus/2020/04/29/many-field-hospitals-went-largely-unused-will-be-shut-down/

Don't get me wrong, it's a very GOOD thing that these hospitals didn't get much use, that means the numbers went in the right direction. But you can't say that and simultaneously say things were desperate and awful.

If I recall the navy ship the comfort was sent to NYC to take non covid patients.   They were actually upset when a hospital sent them covid patients as they then had crew members get sick too.     

[DCGuy64]

1 minute ago, Sunshine3601 said:

If I recall the navy ship the comfort was sent to NYC to take non covid patients.   They were actually upset when a hospital sent them covid patients as they then had crew members get sick too.     

Correct on both fronts, it was specifically sent to serve non-Covid patients so the hospitals could treat those with Covid. It ended up having some people with Covid-19, as you state.

[Jimbo]

33 minutes ago, HBCcruiser said:

I am in a suite on the Adventure July 17, 2021. I was able to book a refundable ticket. Can you please clarify? Is this on certain sailings? 

Has to be Grand Suite or above., but if you booked that or higher sometimes the agents at Royal Caribbean make mistakes and allow it............It's rare though.

 

[NightOne]

1 hour ago, d9704011 said:

Less than 4% of the Bahamian population has received a first dose of vaccine.  Sometimes the controls and restrictions  are not all about you and me.

 

China is Level 2 on the CDC's map ... Level 2 ... Just sayin'

[HBCcruiser]

4 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

Has to be Grand Suite or above., but if you booked that or higher sometimes the agents at Royal Caribbean make mistakes and allow it............It's rare though.

Yes, it is a 2bd Grand Suite. Interesting. This is really good info to know for future bookings. Thank you!

[Jimbo]

3 minutes ago, NightOne said:

 

China is Level 2 on the CDC's map ... Level 2 ... Just sayin'

do you have a link for the map?

[HBCcruiser]

12 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

do you have a link for the map?

This website has interesting C19 data. I am not sure if this is what you want but it is interesting. You can search by country, sate and county. 

 

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/china

[ONECRUISER]

What a relief, guess I'm supposed feel safer from Covid staying here in US:  U.S. will boost 'Do Not Travel' advisories to 80% of world WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. State Department said on Monday it will boost its "Do Not Travel" guidance to about 80% of countries worldwide, citing "unprecedented risk to travelers" from the COVID-19 pandemic. 

 The State Department already listed 34 out of about 200 countries as "Level 4: Do Not Travel," including places like Chad, Kosovo, Kenya, Brazil, Argentina, Haiti, Mozambique, Russia and Tanzania. "This update will result in a significant increase in the number of countries at Level 4: Do Not Travel, to approximately 80% of countries worldwide," the department said in a statement

 The State Department said the move does not imply a reassessment of current health situations in some countries, but rather "reflects an adjustment in the State Department's Travel Advisory system to rely more on (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's) existing epidemiological assessments." 

  Most Americans were already prevented from traveling to much of Europe because of COVID-19 restrictions. Washington has barred nearly all non-U.S. citizens who have recently been in most of Europe, China, Brazil, Iran and South Africa. 

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[Goodtime Cruizin]

23 hours ago, Sunshine3601 said:

I believe a lot of the federal aid / covid related programs would end if they declared the health emergency to be over.      As long as we are in a Health Emergency then people cannot be evicted/foreclosed on/ can receive the additional "emergency" unemployment, etc. etc. etc.    

 

This and the other 92% oif the multi-trillion dollar 'relief' funding. A lot of people got a lot of money over covid. Fact. 

[BecciBoo]

2 hours ago, DCGuy64 said:

 

 

Ask me how I know.)

Do you Keto?  WE have been on Keto for 2 years, Diabetes totally under control and lots of weight and inches gone.  You can do Keto easily on a cruise.

[Goodtime Cruizin]

7 hours ago, mjkacmom said:

I love your aluminum hat.

 

I can speak for Houston... they were never full beyond capacity. When I say they, I mean the Medical Center as a whole. Ben Taub might have reached capacity but not the hospitals as a whole.  In fact, the George R Brown convention center was made into a makeshift hospital w/ over two thousand beds and NEVER even used. It was eventually diassembled, torn down, packed back up, and ship off. 

Edited April 20, 2021 by Goodtime Cruizin

[boatseller]

*Not applicable in Florida, Texas or other competently run States.  

 

To address a comment above, hospitals in Florida were never even close to being overrun.  No they weren't.  Ok, I'll wait for your evidence.......oh look, the Universe is ending...oh well....

[d9704011]

47 minutes ago, NightOne said:

 

China is Level 2 on the CDC's map ... Level 2 ... Just sayin'

So what?  China is a Level 3 on the State Department Travel Advisory list.... just sayin’.

[DCGuy64]

8 minutes ago, BecciBoo said:

Do you Keto?  WE have been on Keto for 2 years, Diabetes totally under control and lots of weight and inches gone.  You can do Keto easily on a cruise.

No, I've not been sold on Keto and I have a friend who does it. Let's just say I like pasta too much.

I'm in extremely good shape, 57 years old, 135 lbs and about 13% bodyfat. I work out and run/walk a lot. But I used to weigh more, and what I was referring to when I said "ask me how I know," I was really talking about my ex-wife who got lapband surgery and lost a tremendous amount of weight. It enabled her to live a quality life again. There are so many things an overweight person has to deal with, and getting in shape (while not easy by any stretch!) is worth it. I lost about 25 lbs by limiting caloric intake and doing lots of cardio.

[Goodtime Cruizin]

6 hours ago, cured said:

She is doing great now thanks. A pacemaker was installed and she now has more energy than ever.  I am finally scheduled for a joint replacement, one that was pushed off for a year due to no elective procedures.  We are down to just cases a few a week, so I am now able to schedule my surgery!!

 

Those refrigerated truck morgues were heartbreaking.

 

See, it is sooo different here in houston. I had elective procedure last June! Crazy the difference is. I own a business that operates in Chicago & Houston. Houston is open and flourishing while Chicago is still closed. It's like two different worlds. 

[BecciBoo]

1 minute ago, DCGuy64 said:

No, I've not been sold on Keto and I have a friend who does it. Let's just say I like pasta too much.

I'm in extremely good shape, 57 years old, 135 lbs and about 13% bodyfat. I work out and run/walk a lot. But I used to weigh more, and what I was referring to when I said "ask me how I know," I was really talking about my ex-wife who got lapband surgery and lost a tremendous amount of weight. It enabled her to live a quality life again. There are so many things an overweight person has to deal with, and getting in shape (while not easy by any stretch!) is worth it. I lost about 25 lbs by limiting caloric intake and doing lots of cardio.

Not possible for me now, I am 71 in June and have a few physical limitations, but as long as you end up healthier it works.  BTW, the brother I lost to covid was almost exactly what you are...so it can happen anyway.  My faith is what has been a most helpful asset in recent days since he passed.  I know where he is and I have lots of family to support us.  Take that lap and staircase whilst cruising!!  I take them very slowly!LOL

[Ukigirl]

On 4/19/2021 at 3:19 PM, smokeybandit said:

 

Only 7% of Tennessee hospital beds are occupied by covid patients (with a portion of those coming to the hospital for non-covid reasons, then testing positive after being admitted). Hardly a concern.

Here in Michigan hospitals are at 95% capacity 

[Goodtime Cruizin]

5 hours ago, cured said:

I am amazed at the amount of people that will believe any conspiracy theory that is thrown at them just to be able to assuage their intense fear of the virus, convincing themselves it is a huge global scam, enabling them to put their heads in the sand.  Even seeing what is happening in the rest of the world is not to be believed.

 

Never in the history of the world have democratic republics, socialists, democracies, communists, authoritarians, dictatorships, and every kind of political entity, been able to work together so well to perpetuate a global scam that the SARS-CoV-2 virus is not really real. They have ruined their economies and dug mass graves just to perpetuate this myth that a global pandemic exists. I wonder how many global meetings they had to have to come up with a mutual plan to stop the world's economy.  It is a miracle it is.

 

Facts are pretty easy to find without resorting to the dreaded Main Stream Media (hint: the scientific community and peer reviewed studies.)

 

Here is a useful article for those that are so fearful:

https://www.quirkbooks.com/post/worst-case-wednesday-how-make-effective-tinfoil-hat

 

I don't doubt that covid exists and issues abound. I also don't doubt that the media has used this virus to rustle up ratings and elected officials have used it to extract tax dollars for whatever the hell they can dream of. But opposite of you, my amazement is that many people completely believe anything and everything that is spouted by these two groups. Both using the word' science'  to further push it. It's a cray cray world these days. I think perhaps that NYC was hit hard and as a result that the NE coast media bias and narative has caused many small communities across the nation to seriously freak out. Some counties lost as few as 15 people to covid but are under the same restraints as those that lost 6,000. 

[DCGuy64]

7 minutes ago, BecciBoo said:

Not possible for me now, I am 71 in June and have a few physical limitations, but as long as you end up healthier it works.  BTW, the brother I lost to covid was almost exactly what you are...so it can happen anyway.  My faith is what has been a most helpful asset in recent days since he passed.  I know where he is and I have lots of family to support us.  Take that lap and staircase whilst cruising!!  I take them very slowly!LOL

I have a friend who died of Covid last year, I hadn't seen him in a long time because he and his wife moved from Kentucky to Roatan, Honduras. I know he loved living down there, because he was an avid scuba diver and he shared lots of pictures online. He got pneumonia first and then went to the hospital. He died of Covid a short time later. We had hoped to visit him while on an upcoming cruise, but it wasn't to be. I know that I'm not invincible, but I already had Covid-19 back in early January. Let me say that again: I've had Covid, and recovered. I've had 1 vaccine and get my 2nd shot on Saturday. I am not afraid. And while I know you're not saying this, I hear a lot from others who think nearly every man, woman and child is just one cough away from certain death, and that just isn't so. It is not statistically sound for people (again, not YOU) to imply that Covid-19 is the worst killer in history. The numbers just don't support it. Even my Dad, who's 82 years old, hasn't gotten it, and his girlfriend was in the hospital, and had it-she also recovered and is fine (she's close in age to my dad). So, fortunately, it doesn't affect everybody the same way.

Faith is truly important, I definitely agree!

[Goodtime Cruizin]

3 hours ago, ArthurUSCG said:

Given about 40-50% of the population that is overweight or obese, that putts a sizeable chunk in the high risk group. The alphabet soup of government health agencies have been concerned about obesity for a long time.

 

But overweight, fat, obese appear to be the largest targeted group by covid. Yet, CDCmakes no. mention. Could it be they are concerned with offending people? and shaming people?

I do think so.