5-13-21 New CDC Covid 19 "When You’ve Been Fully Vaccinated" guidlines...

[GonzoWCS]

Step Forward!

[caribill]

[K.T.B.]

1 hour ago, caribill said:

 

Well, that's one way to social distance...

[Syracusefan44]

More good news from the CDC last night. 

 

The CDC outlined what type of tests are required for fully and unvaccinated passengers.

 

Fully vaccinated passengers do not need to be tested on embarkation day, disembarkation day, or even going on a back to back sailing. While embarkation testing is not required, international travelers arriving in the U.S. are recommended to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. Cruise operators may follow this recommendation at their discretion.

 

Those that are not vaccinated, will need to take a Viral (NAAT or antigen) test for embarkation day, disembarkation day, and if doing a back to back.

[ontheweb]

2 hours ago, Syracusefan44 said:

More good news from the CDC last night. 

 

The CDC outlined what type of tests are required for fully and unvaccinated passengers.

 

Fully vaccinated passengers do not need to be tested on embarkation day, disembarkation day, or even going on a back to back sailing. While embarkation testing is not required, international travelers arriving in the U.S. are recommended to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. Cruise operators may follow this recommendation at their discretion.

 

Those that are not vaccinated, will need to take a Viral (NAAT or antigen) test for embarkation day, disembarkation day, and if doing a back to back.

Hmmm. The statement in there that I find interesting is the international travelers arriving in the US are RECOMMENDED to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. They could have said REQUIRED  instead of RECOMMENDED. They could have also made it a recommendation for those vaccinated and a requirement for those not vaccinated.

[caribill]

6 hours ago, Syracusefan44 said:

Fully vaccinated passengers do not need to be tested on embarkation day, disembarkation day, or even going on a back to back sailing.  International travelers arriving in the U.S. are recommended to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated.

 

But don't those flying to the USA after a cruise still have to be have a negative test within the 3 days before the flight home?

[K.T.B.]

7 hours ago, Syracusefan44 said:

More good news from the CDC last night. 

 

The CDC outlined what type of tests are required for fully and unvaccinated passengers.

 

Fully vaccinated passengers do not need to be tested on embarkation day, disembarkation day, or even going on a back to back sailing. While embarkation testing is not required, international travelers arriving in the U.S. are recommended to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. Cruise operators may follow this recommendation at their discretion.

 

Those that are not vaccinated, will need to take a Viral (NAAT or antigen) test for embarkation day, disembarkation day, and if doing a back to back.

 

All the more reason to be vaccinated if you want to cruise!  If you're vaccinated, no chance of a false positive popping up and preventing you from cruising!

[Ride-The-Waves]

7 hours ago, Syracusefan44 said:

More good news from the CDC last night. 

 

The CDC outlined what type of tests are required for fully and unvaccinated passengers.

 

Fully vaccinated passengers do not need to be tested on embarkation day, disembarkation day, or even going on a back to back sailing. While embarkation testing is not required, international travelers arriving in the U.S. are recommended to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. Cruise operators may follow this recommendation at their discretion.

 

Those that are not vaccinated, will need to take a Viral (NAAT or antigen) test for embarkation day, disembarkation day, and if doing a back to back.

Any idea of who, which country and which agency is tracking all this stuff?  INS/Homeland Security in the US?

[ontheweb]

1 hour ago, caribill said:

 

But don't those flying to the USA after a cruise still have to be have a negative test within the 3 days before the flight home?

Good question. 

[Ken the cruiser]

1 hour ago, caribill said:

 

But don't those flying to the USA after a cruise still have to be have a negative test within the 3 days before the flight home?

I believe these particular guide lines are for the restricted cruises out of US ports:

 

Screening Testing of All Embarking and Disembarking Passengers for Restricted Voyages

Embarkation Day Testing	Viral (NAAT or antigen)	Not Applicable*
Disembarkation Day Testing	Viral (NAAT or antigen)	Not Applicable
Back-to-Back Sailing¥ Testing	Viral (NAAT or antigen)	Not Applicable

* While embarkation testing is not required, international travelers arriving in the U.S. are recommended to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. Cruise operators may follow this recommendation at their discretion.

^¥ Back-to-back sailing refers to passengers who stay on board for two or more voyages.

[azbirdmom]

4 minutes ago, Ken the cruiser said:

I believe these particular guide lines are for the restricted cruises out of US ports:

 

Screening Testing of All Embarking and Disembarking Passengers for Restricted Voyages

Embarkation Day Testing	Viral (NAAT or antigen)	Not Applicable*
Disembarkation Day Testing	Viral (NAAT or antigen)	Not Applicable
Back-to-Back Sailing¥ Testing	Viral (NAAT or antigen)	Not Applicable

* While embarkation testing is not required, international travelers arriving in the U.S. are recommended to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. Cruise operators may follow this recommendation at their discretion.

^¥ Back-to-back sailing refers to passengers who stay on board for two or more voyages.

 

IF the Alaska cruise season is somehow salvaged, only US ports will be visited.  It would be nice if vaccinated passengers could skip the 3-5 day pre-disembarkation tests.

[LACruiser88]

17 minutes ago, azbirdmom said:

 

IF the Alaska cruise season is somehow salvaged, only US ports will be visited.  It would be nice if vaccinated passengers could skip the 3-5 day pre-disembarkation tests.

New CDC guidelines released yesterday, eliminate the pre and post testing for vaccinated passengers...

[Ride-The-Waves]

Of course everybody's vaccinated!!!!

[gmjc2]

This will not apply to our June cruise out of ST. Maarten unless Celebrity decides to follow those guidelines. They do not have to. 

Yes, unless things change in the next 2-3 weeks we will still have to have the disembarkation test to get on the plane to fly home! 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by gmjc2

[ALWAYS CRUZIN]

On 5/15/2021 at 6:25 PM, LACruiser88 said:

New CDC guidelines released yesterday, eliminate the pre and post testing for vaccinated passengers...

Want to cruise out of Florida. Currently no cruise line can check if you have been vaccinated without receiving a fine. Florida stupid law.

[Syracusefan44]

The Carnival Cruise line President Christine Duffy will be on NBC News with Lester Holt tonight at 6:30 p.m. Duffy will confirm active discussions with the CDC and that the cruise line is aiming for a July restart. She also confirms there will be NO vaccine mandate on board.

 

I Carnival is caving to DeSantis and in my opinion is making a big mistake putting four unvaccinated passengers in a stateroom and hoping they don’t have a COVID19 outbreak onboard a ship.

 

 

[Ken the cruiser]

4 minutes ago, Syracusefan44 said:

The Carnival Cruise line President Christine Duffy will be on NBC News with Lester Holt tonight at 6:30 p.m. Duffy will confirm active discussions with the CDC and that the cruise line is aiming for a July restart. She also confirms there will be NO vaccine mandate on board.

 

I Carnival is caving to DeSantis and in my opinion is making a big mistake putting four unvaccinated passengers in a stateroom and hoping they don’t have a COVID19 outbreak onboard a ship.

Do you by chance have a link to this information we can read?

 

[Syracusefan44]

1 minute ago, Ken the cruiser said:

Do you by chance have a link to this information we can read?

 

https://twitter.com/portholecruise/status/1394367734599856134?s=21

[ehogan]

No vaccine mandate?  No cruises for us.  Will cancel our three upcoming Princess cruises.

[Redwing55]

58 minutes ago, ehogan said:

No vaccine mandate?  No cruises for us.  Will cancel our three upcoming Princess cruises.

Clearly there are more than you in this mindset.  But then I'm curious, do you avoid all other activities then?  Eating out, movies, sporting events, plays, etc?   So will you get off the ship and go on excursions?  I know, I'm more risk averse than many, but I also wonder if the media and others have inflated fears about this.  True, it can be a deadly virus, but on 2019, so was the flu.  as well as a bunch of other diseases.  Just looking for perspective.

[nocl]

On 5/15/2021 at 8:55 AM, ontheweb said:

Hmmm. The statement in there that I find interesting is the international travelers arriving in the US are RECOMMENDED to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. They could have said REQUIRED  instead of RECOMMENDED. They could have also made it a recommendation for those vaccinated and a requirement for those not vaccinated.

Keep in mind that the document and the recommendation are for the cruise lines.

 

The cruise line protocols (which may or may not include the recommended items) will be reviewed in total. So a recommendation in this context means that a cruise line does not have to do it, but they better have something else in their protocols that would make that testing unnecessary.

[nocl]

4 hours ago, K.T.B. said:

 

Said it before, say it again:  State law can cannot override federal law. US government handles the ports.  If federal law states that cruise lines must check if you've been vaccinated, Florida is SOL.

 

Granted, at this point, there is no such federal law.

Yes and no.  It is clear that the feds control the rules dealing with international ships entering the US and docking at ports. 

 

However, the ports in Florida are either owned by the state or by local government. Those agencies also run the ports, not an agency of the federal government.  

 

There are cases where State and local agencies have prevented ships from docking (the Grand in California is a good example). 

 

Also note that ships in port follow state law when it comes to things like sales taxes and in Texas state liquor laws. So clearly state laws can impact ships operations in port.

 

The state and/or local agency could make a decision to shutdown a port.  

 

Clearly once a ship has left port the state would have no influence.

 

But it is rather unclear if a cruise line, operating in a port, checking vaccination status of passengers while in port could do so or not.  It will make for a rather interesting court case that could run the range from states rights, to the commerce clause, to maritime law and treaties.

 

Unfortunately, as much as I would like the cruise lines require vaccination, this could make a very interesting fight that could take some time working its way through the court system if the cruise lines do try and challenge the California law.

 

Also wonder if the cruise lines might use this as a reason why they will not require vaccination for cruises from the US and try the strategy with the CDC that state law prevents it.

 

 

[memoak]

28 minutes ago, nocl said:

Yes and no.  It is clear that the feds control the rules dealing with international ships entering the US and docking at ports. 

 

However, the ports in Florida are either owned by the state or by local government. Those agencies also run the ports, not an agency of the federal government.  

 

There are cases where State and local agencies have prevented ships from docking (the Grand in California is a good example). 

 

Also note that ships in port follow state law when it comes to things like sales taxes and in Texas state liquor laws. So clearly state laws can impact ships operations in port.

 

The state and/or local agency could make a decision to shutdown a port.  

 

Clearly once a ship has left port the state would have no influence.

 

But it is rather unclear if a cruise line, operating in a port, checking vaccination status of passengers while in port could do so or not.  It will make for a rather interesting court case that could run the range from states rights, to the commerce clause, to maritime law and treaties.

 

Unfortunately, as much as I would like the cruise lines require vaccination, this could make a very interesting fight that could take some time working its way through the court system if the cruise lines do try and challenge the California law.

 

Also wonder if the cruise lines might use this as a reason why they will not require vaccination for cruises from the US and try the strategy with the CDC that state law prevents it.

 

 

The risk of non vaccinated passengers who refuse to mask getting sick would be too much for a cruise line to risk. Could mean the end  of that cruise line

[nocl]

Just now, memoak said:

The risk of non vaccinated passengers who refuse to mask getting sick would be too much for a cruise line to risk. Could mean the end  of that cruise line

One would think so but unfortunately the cruise lines do not seem to be in a hurry to commit to requiring vaccination for cruises.  

[oskidunker]

1 minute ago, memoak said:

The risk of non vaccinated passengers who refuse to mask getting sick would be too much for a cruise line to risk. Could mean the end  of that cruise line

I would not sail if proof of vaccine not required.