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A workaround for the Florida does not allow businesses to ask for proof of vaccine problem for cruise lines


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2 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:
  • Recovered persons, holding certificates in line with the EU Digital COVID Certificate should be exempted from travel-related testing or quarantine during the first 180 days after a positive PCR test.

 

That's the same as vaccinated.

I see that.  It is not ALL recovered persons.

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6 hours ago, TerReuv said:

 

Those who are vaccinated shouldn't be required to wear face masks on a cruise if they don't have to on land.  If those who are unvaccinated don't wear a mask, it is of no concern to those who are vaccinated.  My problem is making everyone wear a mask when it isn't required for a vaccinated person.  That is the other extreme.  Just don't require masks, period.  Those who aren't vaccinated will be the ones taking the risk and if that is a risk they wish to take, then let them.

The problem is at what point are vaccinated passengers concerned when their cruise is paused/changed/derailed/cancelled because of an outbreak or # of unvaccinated passengers testing positive during a cruise? At what point is a vaccinated passenger concerned with being quarantine/isolation because contact tracing on the ship indicated they were in contact with other positive passengers and may be taken off the ship at the next port with the group of people who also were in contact along with the positive tested passengers? 
 

And beyond the “distruption” of the cruise argument, there is the protocols you mentioned. I’m great with wearing a mask, social distancing, no self service buffet (just me personally of course). I have a big issue with restriction of being able to self explore ports because I’m sailing with unvaccinated passengers. 
At what point are vaccinated passengers concerned with the restrictive protocols being placed on them as the cost of sailing with unvaccinated passengers?

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7 hours ago, CI66774 said:

Um, no one, I mean no one has purchased the higher price tix. Colossal fail.

If the purpose was to keep unvaccinated people out, then it is not a fail. And maybe it even encouraged someone to get vaccinated. Again, not a fail.

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4 hours ago, sanger727 said:

I agree with premise that having an unvaccinated "surcharge" will probably be illegal. But many businesses in my area have advertised vaccinated "discounts". I don't see why that would be a problem. Discounts are legal and often don't apply to everyone. So insanely raise prices and offer a $500 pp vaccinated discount. Not sure how that is different than their VIFP, casino, military, etc discounts. Only some people qualify and that's ok. 

Another example is some businesses (in fact the US and at least my state government) add a surcharge when using a credit card.  And some businesses also give cash discounts.

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11 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

Another example is some businesses (in fact the US and at least my state government) add a surcharge when using a credit card.  And some businesses also give cash discounts.

The surcharge is nominal so it's usually allowed.

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On 5/30/2021 at 10:20 AM, boatseller said:

Clever.  I predict it will fail grander than Fyer Festival but at least they're thinking.

Nothing can fail that spectacularly, not even Hindenburg's final flight. 😂

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2 hours ago, bdever said:

The problem is at what point are vaccinated passengers concerned when their cruise is paused/changed/derailed/cancelled because of an outbreak or # of unvaccinated passengers testing positive during a cruise? At what point is a vaccinated passenger concerned with being quarantine/isolation because contact tracing on the ship indicated they were in contact with other positive passengers and may be taken off the ship at the next port with the group of people who also were in contact along with the positive tested passengers? 
 

And beyond the “distruption” of the cruise argument, there is the protocols you mentioned. I’m great with wearing a mask, social distancing, no self service buffet (just me personally of course). I have a big issue with restriction of being able to self explore ports because I’m sailing with unvaccinated passengers. 
At what point are vaccinated passengers concerned with the restrictive protocols being placed on them as the cost of sailing with unvaccinated passengers?

 

Very good points and I agree with just about all.  I, too, have thought about an infected passenger turning my week's vacation into a 14 day plus nightmare.  I just wonder if in the end, Carnival is going to have to cave and go with the others with 95% vaccinated.  All of this craziness is one of the main reasons that we rebooked for late next year.  By then, the hope is that things will be more normal.  I can deal with most restrictions, but I really have no desire to have to wear a mask on a cruise.  That would be a hard one for me.

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Why would positive cases cause an entire ship to quarantine? Just quarantine the positive cases.  It's not complicated.  If people take a covid test before boarding a cruise, it will be several days (at the very least) before they have any symptoms at all.  They will be off of the ship before anything severe develops.  Covid has treatments.  People don't go from testing negative to death in 7 days.

 I would think the majority of high risk people are vaccinated, so you are looking at young, healthy people who usually have mild symptoms.   When my son contracted covid, it was a Saturday.  He and his BIL went to Thanksgiving dinner the following Thursday with no symptoms.  They started developing symptoms on Friday.  Nobody at their Thanksgiving dinner got covid.  Nobody they were in contact with the next two days got covid.  

I think many people think a positive case will stop a cruise, when in reality they can simply quarantine them.  The CDC has plans in place that the cruise ships need to follow if someone comes down with covid.  First they would have to develop symptoms strong enough that they would even seek medical help on the ship.  That just isn't going to happen often on a 7 day cruise.  Nobody is going to the ship doctor for a cough or a headache.

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28 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

Why would positive cases cause an entire ship to quarantine? Just quarantine the positive cases.  It's not complicated.

 

If the number of cases exceed the threshold, the cruise is terminated. Period. Cruise lines will have to report cases to the CDC as they do with Noro. No port is going to want a cruise ship with covid cases to dock. The cruise is over. It isn't complicated.

 

28 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

 If people take a covid test before boarding a cruise, it will be several days

A test is static and specific to a point in time. You could test negative today and test positive tomorrow. If anyone in a cruise becomes positive I can see the whole ship being required to be tested. Especially if it is a unvaxed cruise.

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3 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

If the number of cases exceed the threshold, the cruise is terminated. Period. Cruise lines will have to report cases to the CDC as they do with Noro. No port is going to want a cruise ship with covid cases to dock. The cruise is over. It isn't complicated.

 

A test is static and specific to a point in time. You could test negative today and test positive tomorrow. If anyone in a cruise becomes positive I can see the whole ship being required to be tested. Especially if it is a unvaxed cruise.

Don't cruise. Problem solved. 

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11 minutes ago, sm3ds said:

Don't cruise. Problem solved. 

No, that does not solve anything. Look at the big picture. The future of cruising is at stake. It is not just one person who is leery of his/her cruise vacation being ruined for one reason or another due to Covid.

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8 hours ago, coffeebean said:

No, that does not solve anything. Look at the big picture. The future of cruising is at stake. It is not just one person who is leery of his/her cruise vacation being ruined for one reason or another due to Covid.

That makes entirely too much sense.

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15 hours ago, ontheweb said:

If the purpose was to keep unvaccinated people out, then it is not a fail. And maybe it even encouraged someone to get vaccinated. Again, not a fail.

Required no one to show any proof of vax. I get it was just a stunt and had no teeth so, in the end, meant nothing.

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In other vaccine news, I see Moderna has applied for full approval. So that is another vaccine that should have full approval for ages 18 and up. Younger will come later.

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I was going to say.....ending the cruise is right in the new cruise contract that if the ship hits a threshold of covid cases (whatever that is defined as)...cruise over.    It's in the cruise lines documents we agree too.  

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People are tested before boarding.  Then the soonest a person will test positive is several days later.  Once they do, they would have to be in a confined area with another person for a period of time before that person could possibly get it. Then it will be 2 to 4 days before that person would test positive and the cruise will be over by then.  Nobody who tests negative is going to spread the virus so quickly that half of the ship will be positive in 7 days.

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1 minute ago, TNcruising02 said:

People are tested before boarding.  Then the soonest a person will test positive is several days later.  Once they do, they would have to be in a confined area with another person for a period of time before that person could possibly get it. Then it will be 2 to 4 days before that person would test positive and the cruise will be over by then.  Nobody who tests negative is going to spread the virus so quickly that half of the ship will be positive in 7 days.

Facts and logic doesn't keep the 'super fear spreaders' from spreading fears. In their worldview everyone not vaccinated really should not be allowed on a cruise ship. LOL! 

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5 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

People are tested before boarding.  Then the soonest a person will test positive is several days later.

That is false. A person can test negative today and positive tomorrow.

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5 minutes ago, Radiioman46 said:

Facts and logic doesn't keep the 'super fear spreaders' from spreading fears. In their worldview everyone not vaccinated really should not be allowed on a cruise ship. LOL! 


In their worldview, everyone should wear masks for the rest of their lives and only the select few should get to go to restaurants, bars, cruises, etc.  It's ridiculous the fear that is ingrained in people.  I've seen the time frame for covid when my son and his BIL got it.  A person does not go from testing negative to being a super spreader on a 7 day cruise.

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3 minutes ago, Radiioman46 said:

Facts and logic doesn't keep the 'super fear spreaders' from spreading fears. In their worldview everyone not vaccinated really should not be allowed on a cruise ship. LOL! 

Your opinion suits your narrative but is not universally accepted.

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1 minute ago, BlerkOne said:

Your opinion suits your narrative but is not universally accepted.

According to your risk avoidance logic, you should wear a mask at all times on a cruise ship filled with nothing but totally vaccinated ppl. Because the unfathomable could (CAN) still happen. 

 

So, I think you're being disingenius because I think I've seen you post that a totally vaccinated cruise is ok to cruise without masks. Is that correct? Or is you position, you should be fully masked at all times on a fully vaccinated cruise?

 

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25 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

A person does not go from testing negative to being a super spreader on a 7 day cruise.

How many 7 day cruises are you pulling your data from?

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1 minute ago, Don Kehote said:

How many 7 day cruises are you pulling your data from?


Have you had covid?  How long from the time you got covid until you tested positive?  How long until you had symptoms?  As long as everyone is tested before boarding, I don't get the paranoia that cruise ships will have massive spreads of the virus.  I guess we could just close cruising forever since covid may never go away.  There has to be a point where an entire industry can open. Covid may never go away.  What then?  No cruises?

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