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Will You cancel Your Upcoming Cruises if Royal Caribbean Doesn't Require Vaccinations


If Royal Caribbean Doesn't Require Vaccinations will you cancel your cruise?  

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  1. 1. How Do You Feel About Royal Caribbean not requesting vaccinations

    • We will cancel our upcoming cruise(s) if Royal Caribbean does not require vaccinations
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2 hours ago, Beachammo said:

 

Here is some math....

 

100% of the unvaccinated will test negative before getting on the ship. The only way they'll get it is from a nontested vaccinated carrier.

 

 

Here is some scientific reality — without a quarantine of about 7 days prior to the test, the result is meaningless because you don’t get a positive result the moment after you get Covid.  It’s on average a 2-5 day window AFTER exposure before you test positive.  So plenty of unvaccinated people can take a test, get a negative result, and still traipse onto a cruise ship and start infecting other unvaccinated people.

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2 hours ago, Heymarco said:

Good stuff!

 

The United States has already successfully beat coronavirus. With vaccination rates under 60%, new cases are currently at March 2020 levels. There are so many fewer places for coronavirus to come from and to spread to. The probability of major outbreaks is over.

Yeah, because no one comes here from other countries that are not doing as well.  One variant, that bypasses the vaccine, and we are back to square one.  

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35 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

And you know this is the policy how?  This is not in writing anywhere on RCI's website.  The only reference to a COVID-19 infection is in the terms and conditions where it says you, and any close contacts, can be quarantined or disembarked.  It also says that if a certain threshold of cases appear on board, either in passengers or crew, that the cruise can end and a return to port may be necessary.  The Conditional Sail Order clearly states that upon meeting this threshold of cases, all passengers can be quarantined in their cabins until the ship returns to port.  Testing would be required of anyone that is a close contact of the infected person and on shore quarantine might be required.  There has been no change in that language to date and I don't believe the RCI has disclosed exactly what would happen in the instance of an outbreak.  So what you have said is not the case.

If that is the case in October we will be canceling and maybe *someday* we will use all the FCC we have. Or not. Ugh. Can’t imagine being quarantined in my room. 

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2 hours ago, RoyalC said:

They are already sailing with this policy in other parts of the world and crickets by the media because all is good so far.

Yes, places where people follow the protocols and don’t whine about their personal freedoms — like Singapore

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2 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said:

Royal has been sailing in Singapore since last December and other cruise lines have been sailing in Europe without any vaccinated passengers and no major outbreaks. 

Please do not confuse this discussion with actual real world experience.  It is much better to live in a world of fear and panic over hypothetical scenarios highly unlikely to ever occur.

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2 hours ago, Beachammo said:

 

My point is that many vaccinated can be carriers. Even if 100% are vaccinated and a few bring it onto the ship....some of them or the people around them will still get mildly sick and cause the ship to shutdown.

 

The whole ship would freak out quickly!

 

If everyone is tested prior to boarding that lessens the chances.

Except the data is showing that vaccinated people, if they get Covid, shed a much smaller viral load, to the point that they aren’t creating transmission to others.  

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7 minutes ago, cindivan said:

If that is the case in October we will be canceling and maybe *someday* we will use all the FCC we have. Or not. Ugh. Can’t imagine being quarantined in my room. 

There’s no saying that will be the case in October, but it is the policy now. Could it change? Certainly. But I think it’s inaccurate to say there’s any assurance that being infected, or a close contact of someone who is infected, will not have a negative impact.  I would hope that RCI will be upfront with cruisers about what will be the procedures in the event of any level of infection.  A lot of emphasis on the word “hope”. 

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10 minutes ago, 3kidsncats said:

Yeah, because no one comes here from other countries that are not doing as well.  One variant, that bypasses the vaccine, and we are back to square one.  

Some people seem to think that we live in some sort of protective bubble or something and what goes on outside our borders can’t impact us.  I think I heard a few days ago that the incredibly infectious and deadly India variant is here in the US.  Jeez, I wonder how that happened? 🙄

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1 hour ago, Heymarco said:

You just summed up the standard risk of any cruise ever. We are back to where things were before, thanks for confirming.

Except for the potential death part, for the unvaccinated.  Most people can anticipate a full recovery from Noro

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1 minute ago, harkinmr said:

There’s no saying that will be the case in October, but it is the policy now. Could it change? Certainly. But I think it’s inaccurate to say there’s any assurance that being infected, or a close contact of someone who is infected, will not have a negative impact.  I would hope that RCI will be upfront with cruisers about what will be the procedures in the event of any level of infection.  A lot of emphasis on the word “hope”. 

I’m not sure I understand your point.
 

Sure, I could still get covid after being vaccinated. Life has no guarantees (Except for death and for most of us taxes,  not my quote obviously).   I will wear my mask into businesses that ask for me to wear it.   But I’m loving not wearing it and don’t need to virtue signal anyone by wearing it when I don’t have to. I made a personal choice to get vaccinated and not pushing that on anyone. But I don’t want to wear a mask on a cruise and possibly get quarantined in my room when there are a lot of other vacation options put there. 

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2 minutes ago, cindivan said:

I’m not sure I understand your point.
 

Sure, I could still get covid after being vaccinated. Life has no guarantees (Except for death and for most of us taxes,  not my quote obviously).   I will wear my mask into businesses that ask for me to wear it.   But I’m loving not wearing it and don’t need to virtue signal anyone by wearing it when I don’t have to. I made a personal choice to get vaccinated and not pushing that on anyone. But I don’t want to wear a mask on a cruise and possibly get quarantined in my room when there are a lot of other vacation options put there. 

I was responding to your concern about the CDC threshold of infection provision. You commented on your October cruise and I just said that that provision may or may not still apply. That provision has nothing to do with masks or other protocols. 

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5 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

I was responding to your concern about the CDC threshold of infection provision. You commented on your October cruise and I just said that that provision may or may not still apply. That provision has nothing to do with masks or other protocols. 

Ok thanks. Final payment is due end of July so I guess we will have some time (4 weeks-ish from the US without meeting the 95%) to see how it all rolls out. I have way too much FCC to bet any more on the CWC thing when it’s so unknown. So sad because I’m so ready to go!  

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33 minutes ago, PropsR4boats said:

 

Brought to you from the same people parroting, "follow the science."

at least up until it doesn't match their narrative or feelings.

 

COVID cases continue to decline drastically every single day.... You people are ridiculous.

Yes, the science clearly indicates unvaccinated, unmasked people congregating will pass Covid to each other.  Covid is declining BECAUSE many people are getting vaccinated. Hello, pay attention

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2 hours ago, Heymarco said:

The amount of people that will cancel will probably be equal to the amount of people that will take or keep cruises for non-vaccinations. As someone who got the vaccine, we need to be open and respectful of those that choose not to get it. Businesses should never be allowed to require a vaccine that has not even been fully approved yet.

I'm not so sure about that. Royal Caribbean often touts "The safety of our passengers and crew is our number one priority and fundamental to our operations". It sure doesn't seem that way when they turned on a dime from 12 and up fully vaccinated to "We recommend that you get vaccinated. 

 

It appears they are more interested in sailing six cruises a week from Florida and let Safety take a powder on the balcony until we get to Coco Cay.

 

Jonathan

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40 minutes ago, jrapps said:

I think she meant Countries, not counties. And yes there are massive outbreaks in other parts of the world (India comes to mind). The vaccine has thankfully been good for variants so far. Past success is not a guarantee of future success.

 

I think everyone needs to take a breath here. We can disagree without the fire and brimstone.

Yes, if my original post said counties, that was a typo.  Countries is what I meant.

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36 minutes ago, 3kidsncats said:

Yes, places where people follow the protocols and don’t whine about their personal freedoms — like Singapore

You are correct...have you ever been to Singapore, its a VERY lovely city/state, great food, great sights and much more....including the death penalty for small amounts of drugs, barbaric caning for petty crimes and on and on....I think I'll keep my personal freedoms.

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3 hours ago, Beachammo said:

 

Here is some math....

 

100% of the unvaccinated will test negative before getting on the ship. The only way they'll get it is from a nontested vaccinated carrier.

 

 

And the Big Bad Wolf will blow down the brick house and the straw house will still be standing. That kind of nonsense rationale doesn't even fly in fairy tales.

 

Jonathan

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3 hours ago, RoyalC said:

How do you feel about the rest of the United States now being wide open without masks at full capacity at stadiums and restaurants, etc., no distancing required?

I “feel” great about it...because I CHOSE to get vaccinated...this is still America, if someone chooses to not get vaccinated (who is eligible) they should also understand that that “choice” has consequences...in regards to cruise ships....that should mean IMO, that unvaccinated should assume they will be tested, masked, social distanced, or simply not allowed to sail.

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8 minutes ago, SheriffJoe said:

You are correct...have you ever been to Singapore, its a VERY lovely city/state, great food, great sights and much more....including the death penalty for small amounts of drugs, barbaric caning for petty crimes and on and on....I think I'll keep my personal freedoms.

I have not, but my husband does for work, and I have friends that live there.  The laws and consequences you mention are why you really can’t  compare the success of Singaporean passenger cruises with American ones — Americans tend to be all about their personal freedoms, sometimes to the detriment of society

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3 minutes ago, 3kidsncats said:

I have not, but my husband does for work, and I have friends that live there.  The laws and consequences you mention are why you really can’t  compare the success of Singaporean passenger cruises with American ones — Americans tend to be all about their personal freedoms, sometimes to the detriment of society

Yes its QUITE obvious you have not...Singaporeans are DEEPLY scared of their government which is exactly what the government wants and they do stay in line and outwardly present a very nice and compliant society.....because its THE CANE if they don't

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2 minutes ago, SheriffJoe said:

Yes its QUITE obvious you have not...Singaporeans are DEEPLY scared of their government which is exactly what the government wants and they do stay in line and outwardly present a very nice and compliant society.....because its THE CANE if they don't

Yes, as I said, consequences.  I never said the consequences fit the “crime” — only that because of this very societal reality in places like Singapore, you can’t compare their Covid protocol outcomes to American ones.  

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3 hours ago, Biker19 said:

Very tough to let the Diamond Princess story go, right?

This is why the requirement to be vaccinated on a ship is so ridiculous. They had a captive audience, of course the outbreak looked terrible. Let them test and track all the Disney goers, casino players, etc. There is zero reason to test and track only one business. So many hundreds of thousands of people touching ride rails and gaming machines each day, but let’s treat cruises differently because there’s just one way out and we love to flex our governmental might. 😂

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