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Will You cancel Your Upcoming Cruises if Royal Caribbean Doesn't Require Vaccinations


If Royal Caribbean Doesn't Require Vaccinations will you cancel your cruise?  

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  1. 1. How Do You Feel About Royal Caribbean not requesting vaccinations

    • We will cancel our upcoming cruise(s) if Royal Caribbean does not require vaccinations
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    • We Don't have concerns with with Royal Caribbean not Requiring Vaccinations
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39 minutes ago, JCDCA said:

Actually not correct in the least.  Ever sent a kid to school and had to show a vaccine record? 

Ever heard of a logical fallacy? How about non sequitur...has that one ever crossed your radar?

 

RC is not a school.

 

Schools are typically required by state law (not federal law) to have proof of immunization for minors. There is a specific carve out in HIPAA that allows parents (and students 18 and over) to give permission to a school  to access medical records of a minor. Those parents not wishing to grant permission are free to home school their children and many do. There is no exception in HIPAA for cruise lines. 

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1 hour ago, JCDCA said:

Actually not correct in the least.  Ever sent a kid to school and had to show a vaccine record? 

As recently as this month — my youngest has to submit her Covid vaccine proof in order to return to her university campus in the fall.  This is in addition to all of the other vaccines she was required to show proof of when she first went to college.  And High School, Middle school, etc. just like her sisters, and every other student.  It’s not new, or illegal.

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11 hours ago, Kalousdi said:

I am vaccinated and more than comfortable going on a ship that has unvaccinated people on it.  I think more than enough people are comfortable and ready to cruise again.  If you are not comfortable then you should not be going and choose another line that works for you.  

I guess as long as you don’t mind having to wear a mask everywhere. 

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11 hours ago, wingatesl said:

The vaccination status of others will not affect my choice to cruise. The only reason the coronavirus affected it is because they were shut down. 

I’m tired of having to wear a mask.  But, hey if that is what floats your boat more power to you. 

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7 hours ago, coldflame said:

 

That might have changed, actually. I'm pretty certain it was here: Technical Instructions for Mitigation of COVID-19 Among Cruise Ship Crew | Quarantine | CDC

I read through some more of the CDC guidelines and there is a condition when CDC says to cancel a sailing:

 

During simulated voyages, this threshold is met when 1.5% of COVID-19 cases is detected in passengers or 1.0% of COVID-19 cases is detected in crew.

 

Technical Instructions for Simulated Voyages by Cruise Ship Operators under CDC’s Framework for Conditional Sailing Order | Quarantine | CDC

 

But, nowhere did I find anything similar to revenue sailings. The CDC web site did mention that they don't plan to release any Phase 4 (Restricted passenger voyages) related documents, but simply update the existing site with info from Phase 2B and 3.

 

 

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12 hours ago, Blauelini said:

No worries, by September at the latest RCCL will have  Covid outbreak on one of their ships due to this policy. Media will pounce,  images of people in biohazard suits escorting people off the ship will be broadcast nationwide. RCCL will change their policy overnight for fear of being being shutdown by the CDC.

A bit dramatic… A lot has happened in the past 18 months and now they know a lot more about covid and there really should be no reason to quarantine an entire ship… anyone vaccinated should be able to come and go on the ship as they please.  The real question is, how will they actually handle this?  They need to publish their plan and let people decide based on that info.  

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10 hours ago, M8VER3 said:

They don’t 


Not yet, for sure.
 

When ships sail in a few weeks from the islands, and soon the US, we shall see.  Fingers crossed this all about nothing, but IMO there will be some pop up cases. Way less though than had they started last fall. 

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Here is an outside the box idea on how to satisfy everybody. Royal has multiple ships doing the same durations and similar itineraries, ie: 3&4 night Bahamas out of PC and Miami. Make 1 ship that proof of vaccinations are required and 1 ship where they are not. Then people can make a choice just like we make a choice in what cruise to book. It could also set a delta for the cruise industry as to what the numbers of infection flare-ups are for on each type of cruise. 

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10 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said:

Royal has been sailing in Singapore since last December and other cruise lines have been sailing in Europe without any vaccinated passengers and no major outbreaks. 

 

I agree, but the Singapore sailings have strict safety protocols that have a huge impact on the entire cruise experience. The protocols that were released for the Adventure sailings from Nassau do not require the mask wearing or social distancing as passengers over 16 are required to be fully vaccinated.

 

Seems to me that we would enjoy a cruise much more without the strict protocols that will now be required due to the ship sailing with a larger amount of unvaccinated passengers. We are vaccinated and are not at all worried about catching Covid. We will wait and see what the safety protocols will be and make our decision whether to cancel based on that. There are plenty of other cruises we can book that will require vaccinations and therefore likely provide a much more enjoyable cruise experience.

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8 hours ago, 3kidsncats said:

Your suggestion seems to presumes that Covid no longer exists.  In the summer of 2021 we have lots of people that still refuse to get vaccinated, we have massive outbreaks in other counties that are spawning new variants — which at anytime could result in a variant that is able to make the current vaccine ineffective.  Why don’t you stop sticking your head in the sand in an effort to avoid dealing with reality?  You don’t care about yourself or your loved ones?  Your choice, but stop belittling those that accept the realities of life.  Global cases, long haul symptoms and sheer unbelievably high death tolls are facts, whether you choose to believe them or not.

Here is what a 60% vaccination rate did for the United States. Case levels are back to March 2020 levels and continually trending towards zero. Maybe it’s you that has your head in the sand. My observations are based on science and facts, not mystical hypothetical situations.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Biker19 said:

I read through some more of the CDC guidelines and there is a condition when CDC says to cancel a sailing:

 

During simulated voyages, this threshold is met when 1.5% of COVID-19 cases is detected in passengers or 1.0% of COVID-19 cases is detected in crew.

 

Technical Instructions for Simulated Voyages by Cruise Ship Operators under CDC’s Framework for Conditional Sailing Order | Quarantine | CDC

 

But, nowhere did I find anything similar to revenue sailings. The CDC web site did mention that they don't plan to release any Phase 4 (Restricted passenger voyages) related documents, but simply update the existing site with info from Phase 2B and 3.

 

 

It is in the Conditional Sail Order itself and the threshold includes crew AND passengers.  Page 33. 
 

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/CDC-Conditional-Sail-Order_10_30_2020-p.pdf

 

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2 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

It is in the Conditional Sail Order itself and it includes crew AND passengers.  Page 33. 
 

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/CDC-Conditional-Sail-Order_10_30_2020-p.pdf

 

Right, but in the technical instructions (which page 33 refers to for the threshold to cancel the sailing), I couldn't find anything specific for revenue sailings.

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8 hours ago, 3kidsncats said:

Yeah, because no one comes here from other countries that are not doing as well.  One variant, that bypasses the vaccine, and we are back to square one.  

Global trends are continuing to trend downwards as well. I simply used the United States as an example because a 60% vaccination rate has almost eliminated the spread. As other countries continue to vaccinate, new cases will trend downwards as well.

 

So far, the major new waves because of variants hasn’t happened. If it ever does, it would be a much greater issue than just on a cruise ship. If we aside hypothetical and only focus on data and science, then we are good!

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1 minute ago, Biker19 said:

Right, but in the technical instructions (which page 33 refers to for the threshold to cancel the sailing), I couldn't find anything specific for revenue sailings.

I expect that will be updated at some point once test sailings are completed. It would make no sense to have a threshold apply to test sailings and not restricted voyages. 

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1 minute ago, harkinmr said:

I expect that will be updated at some point once test sailings are completed.

Some, like Celebrity, are skipping test sailings. But, you are right, since they already have the 1.5% and 1.0% figures (not sure why the crew figure is lower), they could just add that to some document.

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Just now, Biker19 said:

Some, like Celebrity, are skipping test sailings. But, you are right, since they already have the 1.5% and 1.0% figures (not sure why the crew figure is lower), they could just add that to some document.

The application of a threshold might be very different for a fully vaccinated sailing versus a mixed sailing. I guess we will see. 

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11 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said:

Royal has been sailing in Singapore since last December and other cruise lines have been sailing in Europe without any vaccinated passengers and no major outbreaks. 

In both places they are following fairly strict guidelines. Including "shorex bubbles". It's not like they're cruising as normal.

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8 hours ago, 3kidsncats said:

You should follow your own advice

I’m not posting on threads and expecting people to not comment on reply. That’s like walking into a room where people want to have conversations and trying to give a speech.

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44 minutes ago, Demongear said:

Here is an outside the box idea on how to satisfy everybody. Royal has multiple ships doing the same durations and similar itineraries, ie: 3&4 night Bahamas out of PC and Miami. Make 1 ship that proof of vaccinations are required and 1 ship where they are not. Then people can make a choice just like we make a choice in what cruise to book. It could also set a delta for the cruise industry as to what the numbers of infection flare-ups are for on each type of cruise. 

It’s impossible to make everyone happy and they won’t bother trying.  Things are not going to go 100% perfect when they start sailing again and anyone lacking patience or expecting a perfect vacation should probably stay home.  It’s pretty simple… if you feel safe and that it will still be an enjoyable cruise, then go.  If not, stay home or do something else.  

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7 hours ago, Mariketa said:

This is why the requirement to be vaccinated on a ship is so ridiculous. They had a captive audience, of course the outbreak looked terrible. Let them test and track all the Disney goers, casino players, etc. There is zero reason to test and track only one business. So many hundreds of thousands of people touching ride rails and gaming machines each day, but let’s treat cruises differently because there’s just one way out and we love to flex our governmental might. 😂

I’ve been wondering this for months.  I realize it’s a little different on a cruise ship because you have so many people in closer proximity, but why are they still singling out a single industry.  Me and my traveling companion got covid last year after visiting a casino, even while being super careful and wearing masks and gloves during our trip.  If it was that easy for us to get it when I’m a self proclaimed germ-a-phobe, I’m sure other people did too.   

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It depends.  My next cruise is a short one in October.  I have ‘cancel for any reason’ insurance so have the ability to watch how the sailings and protocols evolve before making a decision.   I’m looking forward to getting out on the ocean for a much wanted getaway, surrounded by blue seas.    
 

Honestly,  think about it -  people going on non-cruise vacations have no idea who around them are vaccinated, or the percentages of vaccinated people.   So right now I will not cancel.  
 

(I am vaccinated so can sail whether required or not) 

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Exactly what we are doing as well.

3 minutes ago, BSocial said:

It depends.  My next cruise is a short one in October.  I have ‘cancel for any reason’ insurance so have the ability to watch how the sailings and protocols evolve before making a decision.   I’m looking forward to getting out on the ocean for a much wanted getaway, surrounded by blue seas.    
 

Honestly,  think about it -  people going on non-cruise vacations have no idea who around them are vaccinated, or the percentages of vaccinated people.   So right now I will not cancel.  
 

(I am vaccinated so can sail whether required or not)

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