Vaccine Required! For July in Galveston

[kdr69]

14 hours ago, cruisingguy007 said:

 

Pretending there won't be any covid cases is preposterous. There WILL be some cases, even on majority 95% vaccinated cruises. You have people living in close quarters for a week, visiting poorer countries and mingling/dining/drinking/touring with locals, plus lowered immune system from traveling in general and lots of crew members you interact with. Follow the science and guidelines. No need to overreact and toss people from the ship. That's an even worse PR nightmare. It makes zero sense and isn't even within the realm of what CDC recommends for vaccinated folks. Besides, the vast majority of kids are asymptomatic or have common cold ailments. Tossing them and their vaccinated parents overboard like diseased trash is ridiculous anyway you try and slice it, yes, even yielding to capitalism.       

My thoughts on this are that I agree there will be cases I just dont subscribe to them being "Super Spreader" events like in the beginning that is being touted by some as a "valid" reason to only include vaccinated individuals.  As to interacting with the crew i dont see this as a factor as the current standard is that all crew members will be vaccinated.  The number of cases in any event would be a math problem that would have to take into account  number of total passengers, number vaccinated vs number unvaccinated, number of hours of close contact per unvaccinated individual, etc etc etc.  Im certainly not going to attempt the math.  I personally would guestimate that the actual number of individuals that i had prolonged (3-5 hours) close contact with on a cruise ship would be under 25 at any given time (usually when im in the casino playing poker) and I sincerely doubt that i would come in contact with "everyone" for 3-5 hours each on a typical cruise.  Maybe if they attended the T-shirt sale? So if you have an unvaccinated individual that does test positive what are the odds that they would be only in contact with other unvaccinated individuals 100 percent for the length of time it takes to pass the virus on?  Certainly perhaps their inner group but even in a theatre someone sitting on the other side of the venue would not be in any inherent "danger" of catching the virus unless the show went on for 4 days and no one moved then it would go person to person and eventually get around to them.  The Cruise line would have to be on top of their game with respect to Contact Tracing as well.  Again just my thoughts.

[kdr69]

19 minutes ago, Tippyton said:

No such (practical) thing as an effective mask.

N95 as the standard would have been a start

[elcuchio24]

33 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Some ports aren't even open. Some require testing.

 

Isn't a test required before returning from Mexico? What happens when someone is positive?

 

Yes, but that is the US requiring the test, not Mexico. There is no requirement for entrance into Mexico.

 

The resorts we have stayed at had a deal, where they give you a free COVID test a couple days before heading back to the US at the resort. If you pop positive, they let you quarantine for free at the resort for the 10 days, and have insurance to cover your flights.

 

My whole family had Covid already, so knowing that it was not really an issue having to worry about testing positive, but still a very solid offer from the resorts. With the uptick in travel now, I don't know if they are still offering this for new bookings or not. 

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

4 minutes ago, SCBarker said:

I'm assuming the Kyndall Magyar on Vista, is the same as the one I had on Vista in 2019.  The name was Kyndall Fyre then. Not my favorite.

 

Fortunately (for me at least) I don't care who the CD is. As long as it's not Wee Jimmy - who would come on the stateroom intercom at about 7 am debarkation morning with "Good morning... I said, good morning" - for some reason that always rubbed me the wrong way !  lol

 

Tom

[stellarose]

Dr. E was the best on the pride.   

[kdr69]

1 minute ago, elcuchio24 said:

The resorts we have stayed at had a deal, where they give you a free COVID test a couple days before heading back to the US at the resort. If you pop positive, they let you quarantine for free at the resort for the 10 days, and have insurance to cover your flights.

Im trying to figure out the logistics for cruising.  I have to have a negative Covid test within at least 3 days prior to returning to Canada.  Wondering if the Cruise Ship will offer that or if i have to wait till after the cruise to get the test which means i would need to stay additional days in a hotel to wait for the results as well as ensuring my return flight date took that into account.  

[TNcruising02]

5 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

 

I don't think anyone is forcing anyone else to get the vaccine, not in this country at least thankfully. Parents will make the best decision for their own children I would trust. Who do you think should be "strongly encouraged/recommended" to get the vaccine... just older adults with co-morbidities?

 

Tom

I think that children who have underlying medical conditions that would put them in a high risk category might benefit from the vaccination.  Healthy children have extremely low risk of severe covid  symptoms.

 

"Among 376 adolescents hospitalized during January 1–March 31, 2021, who received a positive SARS-CoV-2 laboratory test result, 172 (45.7%) were analyzed separately because their primary reason for admission might not have been directly COVID-19–related (Table). Among the 204 patients who were likely admitted primarily for COVID-19–related illness, 52.5% were female, 31.4% were Hispanic or Latino (Hispanic), and 35.8% were non-Hispanic Black. Overall, 70.6% had one or more underlying medical conditions, the most common of which were obesity (35.8%), chronic lung disease, including asthma (30.9%), and neurologic disorders (14.2%); 31.4% of patients required ICU admission and 4.9% required invasive mechanical ventilation, but there were no associated deaths."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7023e1.htm

 

[balcony bound]

3 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

 

Fortunately (for me at least) I don't care who the CD is. As long as it's not Wee Jimmy - who would come on the stateroom intercom at about 7 am debarkation morning with "Good morning... I said, good morning" - for some reason that always rubbed me the wrong way !  lol

 

Tom

Wee Jimmy is one of the very few I remember, perhaps not from a positive memory, but you have to admit the guy is unforgettable!

[elcuchio24]

33 minutes ago, ChutChut said:

Masks are of limited reliability and effectiveness. Moreover, muzzling children who have a 99.9999999% survival rate is outrageous, IMHO. 

 

Couldnt agree more. I will say, at least in our area, since the mask mandate was lifted, almost no kids aren't wearing masks in stores/etc. Obviously they aren't vaccinated. Kind of a strange grey area I guess. Obviously this is different dynamic than on a cruise.

[sm3ds]

11 hours ago, Joe817 said:

Well, with all due respect to you sm3ds, you do not speak for those other states. You may find that your claim is not the case at all. Let's just let this thing play out and see how it goes. 

I may not speak for those other states, but I am aware of the politics in those states. Washington is a perfect example. No opposition there. 

[elcuchio24]

Just now, kdr69 said:

Im trying to figure out the logistics for cruising.  I have to have a negative Covid test within at least 3 days prior to returning to Canada.  Wondering if the Cruise Ship will offer that or if i have to wait till after the cruise to get the test which means i would need to stay additional days in a hotel to wait for the results as well as ensuring my return flight date took that into account.  

 

Yes that certainly adds an additional level of complexity for returning to Canada. Maybe there would be enough folks in a similar situation to have a stock of tests onboard, or maybe at one of the ports that would give with that timeline....

[BlerkOne]

29 minutes ago, Tippyton said:

No such (practical) thing as an effective mask.

Sure there is. Health care workers bet their lives on them.

[BlerkOne]

10 minutes ago, elcuchio24 said:

 

Yes, but that is the US requiring the test, not Mexico. There is no requirement for entrance into Mexico.

 

The resorts we have stayed at had a deal, where they give you a free COVID test a couple days before heading back to the US at the resort. If you pop positive, they let you quarantine for free at the resort for the 10 days, and have insurance to cover your flights.

 

My whole family had Covid already, so knowing that it was not really an issue having to worry about testing positive, but still a very solid offer from the resorts. With the uptick in travel now, I don't know if they are still offering this for new bookings or not. 

I don't want a one way ticket to Mexico.

 

Cruise lines wouldn't let you back on the ship, much less let you stay for 10 days.

 

The same law, at least in Florida, that denies documentation for vaccination also denies documentation for covid recovery.

[Saint Greg]

8 minutes ago, kdr69 said:

Im trying to figure out the logistics for cruising.  I have to have a negative Covid test within at least 3 days prior to returning to Canada.  Wondering if the Cruise Ship will offer that or if i have to wait till after the cruise to get the test which means i would need to stay additional days in a hotel to wait for the results as well as ensuring my return flight date took that into account.  

 

The US has the same requirement so I'm sure they're going to have something on the ship or in the terminal or at one of the ports.  

 

Edited June 8, 2021 by Saint Greg

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

9 minutes ago, balcony bound said:

Wee Jimmy is one of the very few I remember, perhaps not from a positive memory, but you have to admit the guy is unforgettable!

 

No doubt!

[Honolulu Blue]

31 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

John heald has announced the cruise directors, no one I remember from before.

 

 

Thanks.  I've heard of them all (they have fan clubs of varying sizes here and elsewhere), but I haven't actually sailed with any of them.  It looks like Kyndall is my draw for my Vista cruise out of Galveston in August.  Did I get lucky or did I draw the short straw?  There's only one way to find out!

[Tippyton]

32 minutes ago, kdr69 said:

N95 as the standard would have been a start

N95 masks fall under OSHA 1910.134.  Medical monitoring requirements are in the standard.

[Tippyton]

CDC, Politics, Cruise Industry - guess who's in the middle?

 

https://giphy.com/gifs/bbenns-dance-snl-double-hump-kC3Uu0uhmXl6PlYTqh

[kdr69]

2 minutes ago, Tippyton said:

N95 masks fall under OSHA 1910.134.  Medical monitoring requirements are in the standard.

they are still an "effective" mask regardless where they fall.

[Honolulu Blue]

23 minutes ago, kdr69 said:

Im trying to figure out the logistics for cruising.  I have to have a negative Covid test within at least 3 days prior to returning to Canada.  Wondering if the Cruise Ship will offer that or if i have to wait till after the cruise to get the test which means i would need to stay additional days in a hotel to wait for the results as well as ensuring my return flight date took that into account.  

 

That's a very interesting question.  For the Royal, Celebrity, and NCL cruises that were/are scheduled outside the U.S., they were offering rapid tests (free) just prior to disembarkation that would work for the CDC and the airlines for flights back to the U.S. as long as the passenger didn't linger too long post-cruise.  For the U.S. cruises, the CDC is currently not requiring any tests upon return if your ship is considered "fully vaccinated".  So for international guests that somehow got to the U.S. (like you) and got on this cruise, maybe the cruise company could find an extra test for you?  Maybe free, maybe not so free?  It's certainly worth asking about and worth keeping after your chosen company until they give a definitive answer - which will probably change next week! 😂

[Tippyton]

8 minutes ago, kdr69 said:

they are still an "effective" mask regardless where they fall.

If an employer requires a "respirator " as defined, the medical monitoring provisions apply.  If an employee on his own volition wants to wear one at work, the employer is obligated to comply with the medical monitoring provisions.  N95 masks meet the definition.  Translation:  Not a practical solution for the populace.  Source:  One of the many things I do for a living.

Edited June 8, 2021 by Tippyton

[asalligo]

48 minutes ago, SCBarker said:

I'm assuming the Kyndall Magyar on Vista, is the same as the one I had on Vista in 2019.  The name was Kyndall Fyre then. Not my favorite.

That is her. Unfortunately not a cruise director that stands out much. 

[Aplmac]

Just thought you might like to see

how the rest of the world is coming around to the prospect of

a vaccine passport for everyone.

Sorry about that!

 

Euro 2020 group games at Wembley Stadium

will be the first sporting event

at which vaccine passports will be used in the UK

 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57404223

[Tippyton]

27 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

 

Even when they're reused (hung up to dry, exposed to UV light, etc) for well beyond their intended recommended use/lifespan...?

 

 

That too...😉

[elcuchio24]

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

I don't want a one way ticket to Mexico.

 

Cruise lines wouldn't let you back on the ship, much less let you stay for 10 days.

 

The same law, at least in Florida, that denies documentation for vaccination also denies documentation for covid recovery.

 

I mean its certainly not a one way ticket, worst case if you did test positive after the free quarantine, you can still go back to the US....thats the current rule.