Royal Caribbean Says Unvaccinated Guests Will Face Restrictions, Higher Costs

[Christine Frances]

15 hours ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

The balance of the country has  been following in. lock step that of Florida & Texas when it comes to the covid protocals. In fact, Texas has lead the way when Abbott reveresed the mask mandate. Now everyone is. 

The daily case count for Texas on June 8 was almost 4,000. The whole country of Canada repotted 1,400. 

[harkinmr]

3 minutes ago, Christine Frances said:

The daily case count for Texas on June 8 was almost 4,000. The whole country of Canada repotted 1,400. 

No worries.  Texas will soon stop reporting their statistics just like Florida did last week.  See.  No more problem.  🙄

[At Sea At Peace]

26 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

 

 

The Cleveland Clinic, a very respected institution; has published a response to this article.  The author of the article has been admonished for misinterpretation, and misrepresenting the data. The Cleveland Clinic (and many others with more skin on the walls) have NOT said "no point vaccinating COVID survivors", this headline is misrepresentative, and not at all the thoughts of the epidemiological community as a whole.

 

Trust the 'scientists' who disagreed based on science.  The PARENT organization would be 'cancelled' if they didn't 'tamp down' any other 'science' that the 'political science' of the vaccinations.

 

Yes, other recent studies, as I've posted and are available with links, including those from Johns Hopkins and Stanford.

 

You base this opinion of 'as a whole' on what?

 

Like it or not, the 'science' is not out on the long-term effects of the vaccine or the immunity of those previously infected.  Anyone, including the 'experts' (who got it wrong and spewed some of the most outlandish "exceptions and allowances" to masking and social distancing) that professes to "already know" the long-term effects of a vaccine generally released for only month would be considered a clown.

[Iamcruzin]

9 hours ago, Stick93 said:

Has anyone thought that if they act “fairly” or “unfairly” people may chose to save other places and either not travel, not upgrade a certain meal or spa services or (and I know this will get peoples juices flowing) - withhold tips. 
 

All three would be bad as the cruise lines need all passengers to want to travel to keep demand and prices high, revenue maximized on sailings and tips covered. 
 

Capitalism works both ways. Socialism is the one that works one way. 

There are plenty of people who don't need an excuse to withhold tips and there are plenty of people like myself who are vaccinated who are choosing to take their vacation dollars elsewhere because of the uncertain onboard experience of unvaccinated cruises.  My guess is that Royal may be seeing more cancellations than they expected after this announcement and this is the reason that they are trying to discourage unvaccinated passengers.

[jrapps]

3 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

No worries.  Texas will soon stop reporting their statistics just like Florida did last week.  See.  No more problem.  🙄

ROTFL! But will Texas also fire the person responsible for collecting and publishing the data, charge them with made up crimes, raid their house, and have them arrested to make the numbers look better?

 

Nobody can out-Florida Florida!

[Keksie]

2 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

No worries.  Texas will soon stop reporting their statistics just like Florida did last week.  See.  No more problem.  🙄

Florida is still reporting covid numbers on a weekly basis and not a daily basis.  I think it is a good idea to help us get back to a more normal life.  There is no reason for the positive case numbers to be number one on the nightly news anymore.  For interested people they can still look up the data.

[At Sea At Peace]

30 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

Thank you.  These folks just do not get it no matter how many different ways they are told.  It’s the clutter of nonsense floating around the internet that they listen to. 

 

"These folks" consider the source.

[not-enough-cruising]

15 minutes ago, Christine Frances said:

The daily case count for Texas on June 8 was almost 4,000. The whole country of Canada repotted 1,400. 

Your numbers have no perspective to make a conclusion. 
Comparing very similar populations  (Canada 39 million, Texas 29 million) in extremely

different concentrations (Canada has an area of 3.9 million square miles, Texas 269,000 square miles) Texas is doing just fine with the numbers and enjoying a pre Pandemic life. 
 

Also, daily positivity numbers really aren’t a concern. Our hospitalization rate is nearly zero, and deaths are in the double digits most days 

[At Sea At Peace]

13 minutes ago, jrapps said:

ROTFL! But will Texas also fire the person responsible for collecting and publishing the data, charge them with made up crimes, raid their house, and have them arrested to make the numbers look better?

 

Nobody can out-Florida Florida!

 

I know it, like the NY nursing homes.

[At Sea At Peace]

2 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Neither Hopkins nor Stanford are promoting a “don’t vaccinate the recovered” narrative. 

Just because you keep posting it doesn’t make it true. 

 

Didn't say what the institutions are promoting (good choice of words though) just what the actual scientists, researchers, etc. are publishing in from their studies.

 

Go through the links and read the studies, not what the body politic spews.

[not-enough-cruising]

10 minutes ago, At Sea At Peace said:

 

Didn't say what the institutions are promoting (good choice of words though) just what the actual scientists, researchers, etc. are publishing in from their studies.

 

Go through the links and read the studies, not what the body politic spews.

So actual scientists and researchers are saying “don’t vaccinate the recovered” 

 

Is this your stance?

[Espn]

9 hours ago, jrapps said:

I think the part you don't understand is that the cruise lines don't want unvaccinated people on their ships. This isn't about compliance with the CDC, this is about getting a business started back up again as quickly and safely and as profitable as possible. The executives of these lines have said time and time again that the vaccines are their ticket back.

 

The unvaccinated act like the cruise lines are fighting for them, the little guy...they aren't. The cruise lines want all vaccinated cruises more than we do. They are fighting to restart their business. They have chosen to mandate vaccines wherever they can by law (Bahamas, TX, etc). Where they can't (FL) the lines came up with the idea of charging unvaccinated all on their own. Nobody forced that on them. If they go forward with charging exorbitant high prices for Covid tests, that is the cruise lines way of telling unvaccinated passengers to wait.

 

I personally don't care if unvaccinated people are on the ship with me or not. But I'm pretty sure the cruise line is the one that cares, and they are doing everything they can to start sailing without that hassle.

Exactly! I am glad someone pointed this out. In all of these threads I can’t recall anyone saying this fact. The cruise lines want you to wait if you are unvaccinated, they don’t named a PR nightmare at this point.

[BecciBoo]

14 minutes ago, Espn said:

Exactly! I am glad someone pointed this out. In all of these threads I can’t recall anyone saying this fact. The cruise lines want you to wait if you are unvaccinated, they don’t named a PR nightmare at this point.

I did....

[Catnip]

17 hours ago, chefchick said:

I’m not sure how vaccination status has any bearing on morality?  If I were unvaccinated I might choose to cancel my existing bookings and/or have a different vacation experience in the meantime...I wouldn’t do something that should be illegal like getting a fake vaccination card.  You clearly have been hanging out with the wrong sort of people if you think that is “most” would do. 🙄

100% spot on!   Great post.   

 

[lovescats5]

So according to the post from "At Sea" if you had covid you should not need the shots.  How will the cruise lines figure that into the equation?  Why get the needle if it does you no good.  Will they give out "had covid" cards to show and how will you get your card.  Scientific guidelines are changing rapidly and who knows what the guidelines will be in another month.  Herd immunity maybe.  

[Goodtime Cruizin]

29 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

So actual scientists and researchers are saying “don’t vaccinate the recovered” 

 

Is this your stance?

 

Yes.... some are. Natural herd immunity is shaping up. Many have acknowlwged this and so many already have the anti-bodies needed in the system. 

[BecciBoo]

31 minutes ago, forgotmyCCname said:

the field of medicine is full of opinions. 

Correct, my family had it and our physician recommended the jab anyway.  So we did.  Just to be safe if there were any false negatives etc.  And guess what, it didn't hurt at all!  No ill side effects.  We'll all be boostering come next year, I predict and that's just my opinion,  I know it's just like.......everyone has one!

[thrifty99]

9 hours ago, jrapps said:

I think the part you don't understand is that the cruise lines don't want unvaccinated people on their ships. This isn't about compliance with the CDC, this is about getting a business started back up again as quickly and safely and as profitable as possible. The executives of these lines have said time and time again that the vaccines are their ticket back.

 

The unvaccinated act like the cruise lines are fighting for them, the little guy...they aren't. The cruise lines want all vaccinated cruises more than we do. They are fighting to restart their business. They have chosen to mandate vaccines wherever they can by law (Bahamas, TX, etc). Where they can't (FL) the lines came up with the idea of charging unvaccinated all on their own. Nobody forced that on them. If they go forward with charging exorbitant high prices for Covid tests, that is the cruise lines way of telling unvaccinated passengers to wait.

 

I personally don't care if unvaccinated people are on the ship with me or not. But I'm pretty sure the cruise line is the one that cares, and they are doing everything they can to start sailing without that hassle.

Agree - people can argue all day about the vaccine, long term effects, etc.  There is no one winning in these discussions… just a lot of opinions. No one knows 100% anything long term as not enough time has passed (hence the name “long term”).  There are strong opinions with some short term research that can support either side of the discussion.  
 

But the cruise lines are trying to survive and get back to business. They have been singled out and shut down longer than any other business. They need to have a successful re-opening and their best chances of this are to have the highest % of vaccinated passengers as possible. They aren’t trying to take any side in the vaccination / anti-vaccination debate other than how it can help them successfully re-start. RCL can’t afford to keep burning through $200 million or more in cash EVERY MONTH. 

if you have read RC’s reopening plan they are taking on some extra costs for any Covid outbreaks on a ship. This can include having infected passengers & family disembark at a port, pay for their quarantine period in a hotel, and then pay to fly them home.  If the outbreak is more severe, the cruise will end and return to port with a full refund to all passengers. The chances of an outbreak and/or size of an outbreak increases with a higher % of unvaccinated passengers. So from a business perspective, is it so wrong to allow the hardest hit industry use some extra precautions to get back to business?
 

After being more restrictive to cruise lines than any other business for the past year, allow them an opportunity to slowly return to normalcy.  Give them a few months of mostly vaccinated cruises to get them financially restarted and to work out any operational issues from outbreaks on a small scale. Then ease the restrictions after a few months and return to normal. 

 

[sept10dsm]

17 minutes ago, lovescats5 said:

So according to the post from "At Sea" if you had covid you should not need the shots.  How will the cruise lines figure that into the equation?  Why get the needle if it does you no good.  Will they give out "had covid" cards to show and how will you get your card.  Scientific guidelines are changing rapidly and who knows what the guidelines will be in another month.  Herd immunity maybe.    

18 minutes ago, lovescats5 said:

So according to the post from "At Sea" if you had covid you should not need the shots.  How will the cruise lines figure that into the equation?  Why get the needle if it does you no good.  Will they give out "had covid" cards to show and how will you get your card.  Scientific guidelines are changing rapidly and who knows what the guidelines will be in another month.  Herd immunity maybe.  

While I feel the recovered matter, it doesn't seem that the powers that be feel the same.  

 

[sneadae]

It doesn’t matter to me if people are vaccinated or not. Our family is fully vaccinated, including my 13 and 16 year olds, and we are cruising on adventure of the seas in few weeks...and that’s really all I’m concerned about. However, my one thought that continues to play over and over again in my head is this: the world is much bigger than the state of Florida and their vaccine laws. If another country is requiring that visitors must be vaccinated in order to visit, doesn’t that sort of “override” any type of law that Florida tries to enact? If Florida says “you do not have to be vaccinated in order to take a cruise” but the Bahamas or BVI’s or wherever says “you must be vaccinated or quarantine for 5 days before entering”, what does that mean for cruisers who are unvaccinated? Does that mean that they can’t get off the ship in those ports? 
Again, what other people choose to do doesn’t concern me...this is what just keeps coming up in my mind. (Oh, and I live in Florida. So I’ve been following this closely; and I’ll continue to cruise as I did, pre-covid)

[BecciBoo]

2 minutes ago, sneadae said:

Does that mean that they can’t get off the ship in those ports?

Correct

[xpcdoojk]

16 minutes ago, thrifty99 said:

Agree - people can argue all day about the vaccine, long term effects, etc.  There is no one winning in these discussions… just a lot of opinions. No one knows 100% anything long term as not enough time has passed (hence the name “long term”).  There are strong opinions with some short term research that can support either side of the discussion.  
 

But the cruise lines are trying to survive and get back to business. They have been singled out and shut down longer than any other business. They need to have a successful re-opening and their best chances of this are to have the highest % of vaccinated passengers as possible. They aren’t trying to take any side in the vaccination / anti-vaccination debate other than how it can help them successfully re-start. RCL can’t afford to keep burning through $200 million or more in cash EVERY MONTH. 

if you have read RC’s reopening plan they are taking on some extra costs for any Covid outbreaks on a ship. This can include having infected passengers & family disembark at a port, pay for their quarantine period in a hotel, and then pay to fly them home.  If the outbreak is more severe, the cruise will end and return to port with a full refund to all passengers. The chances of an outbreak and/or size of an outbreak increases with a higher % of unvaccinated passengers. So from a business perspective, is it so wrong to allow the hardest hit industry use some extra precautions to get back to business?
 

After being more restrictive to cruise lines than any other business for the past year, allow them an opportunity to slowly return to normalcy.  Give them a few months of mostly vaccinated cruises to get them financially restarted and to work out any operational issues from outbreaks on a small scale. Then ease the restrictions after a few months and return to normal. 

 

Excellent post

[ArthurUSCG]

15 minutes ago, sneadae said:

what does that mean for cruisers who are unvaccinated? Does that mean that they can’t get off the ship in those ports? 
Again, what other people choose to do doesn’t concern me...this is what just keeps coming up in my mind. (Oh, and I live in Florida. So I’ve been following this closely; and I’ll continue to cruise as I did, pre-covid)

It will depend on the country, they could deny entry for the entire ship. I believe the UK cruises are having that problem with some of the other countries that make up the BIs and getting approval to dock.

[Moltar]

19 hours ago, denamo said:

There's a vlogger on YouTube who lives in Germany and has been cruising throughout the pandemic.  The last cruise he was on, cruisers had to take a Covid test on board prior to disembarkation, and cruisers had to pay for it.  So, there's a precedent for having to pay.

They should also be required to buy 50% of all drinks for vaccinated passengers since we were the ones to kick this world back into shape and going again.  Or at the very least say thank you so much for getting cruises back!! We owe you big time!

[not-enough-cruising]

50 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

Yes.... some are. Natural herd immunity is shaping up. Many have acknowlwged this and so many already have the anti-bodies needed in the system. 

I will have to respectfully disagree. 
 

While naturally occurring immunity and antibody lifespan are looking more and more promising everyday, I can’t find a single reputable, peer reviewed article that states “don’t get vaccinated of you have recovered”