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3 minutes ago, Laminator said:

My only surprise is that we are not seeing increased hospitalizations like you are in our area due to the delta variant. I am hoping it remains that way. 

I think the outbreak happened in the hospital.   Our hospitalizations are also down overall.  

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Well, I went ahead and booked that RCI Casino offer out of Galveston on 09-27-21. Me and the wife have the Pfizer vaccine spaced correctly apart. I'm not worried personally but school age kids (5-12) are most likely not gonna be vaccinated by the Fall and if the delta variant is dominant by then....

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15 minutes ago, bennybear said:

The concern is that 10 fully vaccinated staff and patients got it in two units in the Calgary hospital.   Our epidemiologists are looking at it closely.   Canada did delay second shots but in these cases they were full vaccinated.   Hopefully it will be mild cases.  
 

An epidemiologist spoke last night on the news that the delta variant has some new symptoms,  headache and runny nose so many people are not aware it is Covid related thus more easily spreading.  
 

Hopefully as we all get more people completely vaccinated it will settle out. One of the emergency doctors stated we need to aim for 85% double vaccinated to really be protective.  

I just researched this a little further. It appears patients who were hospitalized for other issues have caught the virus. Nowhere can I find where the reason for the hospitalizations was due to catching the delta variant. 

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13 minutes ago, Laminator said:

I just researched this a little further. It appears patients who were hospitalized for other issues have caught the virus. Nowhere can I find where the reason for the hospitalizations was due to catching the delta variant. 

Exactly,  this is why they are paying such close attention.  

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13 minutes ago, Laminator said:

I just researched this a little further. It appears patients who were hospitalized for other issues have caught the virus. Nowhere can I find where the reason for the hospitalizations was due to catching the delta variant. 

Take a look at this study. Risk of hospitalization is double the original strain.  Though fully vaccinated with Pfizer still well protected.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext

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15 minutes ago, Laminator said:

I just researched this a little further. It appears patients who were hospitalized for other issues have caught the virus. Nowhere can I find where the reason for the hospitalizations was due to catching the delta variant. 

 

Yes, the outbreak happened AT the hospital as bennybear clearly stated.

So someone contracted it and spread it at the hospital.

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Just now, nocl said:

Take a look at this study. Risk of hospitalization is double the original strain.  Though fully vaccinated with Pfizer still well protected.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext

I have all of that information. My wife received info in her pharmacy journal 4 weeks ago about the delta variant. We are overloaded with info in this house. The only thing she has not seen nor heard was there being increased hospitalizations for those who have been vaccinated. That is what I was trying to verify. 

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5 minutes ago, kazu said:

 

Yes, the outbreak happened AT the hospital as bennybear clearly stated.

So someone contracted it and spread it at the hospital.

Yes...the original poster was not as concise. 

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Just now, Laminator said:

I have all of that information. My wife received info in her pharmacy journal 4 weeks ago about the delta variant. We are overloaded with info in this house. The only thing she has not seen nor heard was there being increased hospitalizations for those who have been vaccinated. That is what I was trying to verify. 

in US no, in UK yes.

 

Incidence rate of delta in US still pretty low. Would expect to see it impact US much for a couple more months. Impact minimal if enough get vaccinated. More of an issue for children under 12 this fall if numbers keep rising.

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6 hours ago, bennybear said:

I think the outbreak happened in the hospital.   Our hospitalizations are also down overall.  

🇨🇦  Bennybear   Your thoughts ?? Do you think we'll be able to travel Internationally this fall?  We're hoping  Ont. will have  our vaccination passport and  Canadians will be accepted into Europe. Looking forward to our 100% vaccinated Med cruise Sept 12,2021. 

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29 minutes ago, liamur14 said:

🇨🇦  Bennybear   Your thoughts ?? Do you think we'll be able to travel Internationally this fall?  We're hoping  Ont. will have  our vaccination passport and  Canadians will be accepted into Europe. Looking forward to our 100% vaccinated Med cruise Sept 12,2021. 

Unfortunately I’m unable to guess now this will unfold.   The reality of the situation keeps changing and I do have graduate level statistics.   Personally,  I’m hoping for BC this year and then Internationally next year or maybe late fall.  
 

I do hope they have a vaccination passport too.  I think that might help get some people off the fence.  What we don’t need are any more variants of concern developing in the unvaccinated.  
 

I do follow several prominent Canadian epidemiologists  that seem to be very good at interpreting the data.  I find it best to go directly to these medical sources.   

 

Hoping you can go and enjoy your cruise.  I’ve had three cancelled so far.  Wishing you lots of luck! 

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To add to the discussion. Dr Bonnie Henry in BC was asked about the UK situation yesterday. While agreeing it is concerning she said a key difference in BC is that we have better vaccination amongst the younger demographic.

 

That said, I am now doubting our October trip to the UK and TA.

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I'm not making a statement here but really just looking for more information.  It seems to me that the increase of Delta infections are in geographic locales where delayed second doses were used and encouraged.  When saying that the 'fully vaccinated' got Delta, are they simply referring to people who received the second dose on a delayed basis or are the 'fully vaccinated' those who got both doses according to the manufacturer's recommendations?  Could a delay in getting the second dose weakened the immune response to variants?

 

My second question stems from the apparent issues involving fully vaccinated getting infected by Delta are also in geographic locales where AZ was approved for use.  IIRC, AZ had problems dealing with the South African variant.  Is it possible that those getting infected were vaccinated with AZ?  If the US is not experiencing this issue is it possibly because AZ isn't being given in the US?  Again, I'm not suggesting anything here, just posing these questions

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1 hour ago, Daniel A said:

I'm not making a statement here but really just looking for more information.  It seems to me that the increase of Delta infections are in geographic locales where delayed second doses were used and encouraged.  When saying that the 'fully vaccinated' got Delta, are they simply referring to people who received the second dose on a delayed basis or are the 'fully vaccinated' those who got both doses according to the manufacturer's recommendations?  Could a delay in getting the second dose weakened the immune response to variants?

 

My second question stems from the apparent issues involving fully vaccinated getting infected by Delta are also in geographic locales where AZ was approved for use.  IIRC, AZ had problems dealing with the South African variant.  Is it possible that those getting infected were vaccinated with AZ?  If the US is not experiencing this issue is it possibly because AZ isn't being given in the US?  Again, I'm not suggesting anything here, just posing these questions

The AZ vaccine has shown lower efficacy than the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines against some strains including  Delta. The study in Scotland, that I referenced earlier does include some information about efficscy. Though the study itself says that the numbers are limited so the conclusions do need to be substantiated with a larger sample.

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Delta is now up to almost 10% of US cases and climbing quickly. Certainly will be an issue in coming months with unvaccinated population. Is more infectious that B.117, and also seems to have more severe symptoms with a study in Scotland showing a doubling of the hospitalization rate compared to B.117.

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I know I am a bad person for saying it but I have no sympathy for those who have chosen not to get vaccinated.  Like Dr Gottlieb said, all the unvaccinated will eventually get the virus. 

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9 minutes ago, KirkNC said:

I know I am a bad person for saying it but I have no sympathy for those who have chosen not to get vaccinated.  Like Dr Gottlieb said, all the unvaccinated will eventually get the virus. 

Couldn't agree more.  Those who truly can't (for medical reasons) are a different story, but absolutely no sympathy for anyone who "can" but "won't".  

 

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2 hours ago, Daniel A said:

I'm not making a statement here but really just looking for more information.  It seems to me that the increase of Delta infections are in geographic locales where delayed second doses were used and encouraged.  When saying that the 'fully vaccinated' got Delta, are they simply referring to people who received the second dose on a delayed basis or are the 'fully vaccinated' those who got both doses according to the manufacturer's recommendations?  Could a delay in getting the second dose weakened the immune response to variants?

 

My second question stems from the apparent issues involving fully vaccinated getting infected by Delta are also in geographic locales where AZ was approved for use.  IIRC, AZ had problems dealing with the South African variant.  Is it possible that those getting infected were vaccinated with AZ?  If the US is not experiencing this issue is it possibly because AZ isn't being given in the US?  Again, I'm not suggesting anything here, just posing these questions

Excellent questions.   More research is needed.

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19 minutes ago, wdw1972 said:

Couldn't agree more.  Those who truly can't (for medical reasons) are a different story, but absolutely no sympathy for anyone who "can" but "won't".  

 

Sue/WDW1972

I don’t know,  so many are so confused and so brainwashed by all the misinformation.  I would like there to be more effort put into informing people and mythbusting.  I think a lot of the hesitancy results from not knowing the real facts and fear.   

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12 minutes ago, bennybear said:

I don’t know,  so many are so confused and so brainwashed by all the misinformation.  I would like there to be more effort put into informing people and mythbusting.  I think a lot of the hesitancy results from not knowing the real facts and fear.   

Trying to inform folks, using real facts, is an exercise in futility since many folks have so many biases that they refuse to listen to anything that goes against their beliefs.  A popular refrain these days is "I do not want to talk about it"  or "the discussion is over."  And then there is the social media which arbitrarily censors/bans anything that does not agree with their own opinion...even if their opinion is ridiculous.

 

As to the Delta variant, the current approved vaccines work quite well against that variant (and most others).  The main problem are the folks that have not been vaccinated (either by their own choice or circumstances).  The unvaccinated are going to continue to be a problem for the foreseeable future.

 

Hank 

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38 minutes ago, syesmar said:

I would imagine this has already been mentioned elsewhere, but which vaccine is HAL using for the crew?

One discussion indicated Pfizer. A later discussion about more recently arriving crew, indicated J&J.

 

California said yesterday that we were the only state experiencing an increase in vaccination, week over week, for the last 7 days. Wonder if there is any effect due to the ship's crews returning and being only a little over a month from sailing. Maybe a small effect.

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1 hour ago, bennybear said:

I don’t know,  so many are so confused and so brainwashed by all the misinformation.  I would like there to be more effort put into informing people and mythbusting.  I think a lot of the hesitancy results from not knowing the real facts and fear.   

My spouse has a health care background.  I cannot count the number of times she has cringed when hearing or reading completely unsubstantiated, incorrect, or misleading information about covid.

 

It goes well beyond some of those nutty conspiracy theories.  Far too many people passing off statements as absolute fact.  Not sure why people do it.  Perhaps to impress others (with  their ignorance).  Perhaps it is because some of our politicians and faith leaders are some of  the leading culprits.  People tend to mimic them.   

 

Covid is real.  It is far too much of a threat for people to be yakking away pretending that they are  'in the know' or somehow believe that they are five minute  epidemiology experts.   Nothing worse than working people up  by presenting false, misleading, or unsubstantiated data as reality.  

 

Unfortunately many  public forums are full of this nonsense.

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1 hour ago, Hlitner said:

As to the Delta variant, the current approved vaccines work quite well against that variant (and most others).  The main problem are the folks that have not been vaccinated (either by their own choice or circumstances).  The unvaccinated are going to continue to be a problem for the foreseeable future.

 

The Delta variant illustrates well the current problem, as I see it. The salient points:

  • Delta variant will soon become the primary variant among unvaccinated everywhere it goes due to its increased infectivity. It is supposedly already ~10% of cases in US and they expect that percentage to double each month.
  • Vaccines are still effective against Delta variant, but it is a somewhat reduced effectiveness (about 90% vs. 95% or more against the original strain).
  • Too many people are still naive to the infection.

Under these circumstances, it's likely that another variant will arise that is yet more infective and against which vaccines have reduced effectiveness. And this will keep happening as long as the virus continues to circulate. Newer, stronger variants will overtake previous ones. 

 

Then we are left with a situation in which we (the vaccinated) don't just need a booster, we need a vaccine that is re-designed to be effective against the new variants. And in the meantime, we could keep seeing vaccine effectiveness reduce -- from 95% ... to 90%.... to 85%....and so on.

 

All thanks to those who refuse to get vaccinated and stop the circulation of the virus or at least greatly reduce it.

 

 

 

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