Florida wins so Carnival can sail with kids

[lobster1313]

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article252215988.html?fbclid=IwAR2prhh-b1Wpt7CtrB8ROJrMwkGflHmD-RN7N0Ap80KncCYf_VpD5pEUHfk

Edited June 18, 2021 by regoodwinjr

[Lee Cruiser]

Oh my! Can't wait to see the responses to this!

[lobster1313]

It says just Florida but it's a huge win.

[fireresq15]

Glad my cruise isn't until March 2022.

[DCGuy64]

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/25266-florida-wins-court-case-against-cdc-to-lift-conditional-sail-order.html

Great news. The injunction is stayed, per the article, but IMO this has to look like a win for Florida.

 

[Jthomasou]

That’s what it sounds like.  I think there’s more there then it looks like.
 

Current rules may be in effect until 7/16. 

[jimbo5544]

Here is another link.  Where are all those prognosticators now.   Love it. 
 

https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/florida-vs-cdc-cruise-lawsuit-court-rules-in-favor-of-florida-against-conditional-sail-order/?fbclid=IwAR38iMt5xpIyQlezp5Xd5tBoSTtPmjVlkkBmu8U7fWdvF__5bEMslefFYuI

[TNcruising02]

10 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article252215988.html?fbclid=IwAR2prhh-b1Wpt7CtrB8ROJrMwkGflHmD-RN7N0Ap80KncCYf_VpD5pEUHfk

Awesome!!

From the article:
"“Today’s ruling is a victory for the hardworking Floridians whose livelihoods depend on the cruise industry,” said Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody in a statement. “The federal government does not, nor should it ever, have the authority to single out and lock down an entire industry indefinitely.”

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article252215988.html?fbclid=IwAR2prhh-b1Wpt7CtrB8ROJrMwkGflHmD-RN7N0Ap80KncCYf_VpD5pEUHfk#storylink=cpy

Edited June 18, 2021 by TNcruising02

[Lee Cruiser]

2 minutes ago, DCGuy64 said:

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/25266-florida-wins-court-case-against-cdc-to-lift-conditional-sail-order.html

Great news. The injunction is stayed, per the article, but IMO this has to look like a win for Florida.

 

It's only stayed for 30 days to give the CDC an opportunity to offer more limited guidelines. 

[lobster1313]

Just now, Lee Cruiser said:

It's only stayed for 30 days to give the CDC an opportunity to offer more limited guidelines. 

Non-binding guidelines 

[TNcruising02]

Even the judge, whom many here praised, felt that the CDC's rules and regulations were too much.

"After July 18, the rules will turn into non-binding recommendations for cruise companies. The CDC has until July 2 to propose a more limited set of cruise regulations to the court."

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article252215988.html?fbclid=IwAR2prhh-b1Wpt7CtrB8ROJrMwkGflHmD-RN7N0Ap80KncCYf_VpD5pEUHfk#storylink=cpy

[BlerkOne]

2 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:

Non-binding guidelines 

Cruise lines still can set their own rules.

[cruizinisthebest]

It is a win for Florida and DeSantis - no doubt. I was always in favor of the spirit of his lawsuit even though I don't agree with his political views otherwise. The CDC has already started relaxing and modifying some of the restrictions. It basically only sucks to sail if you're unvaccinated. And this is an injunction for 30 days. Who knows what will happen after that. 

[BroadwayGirl]

2 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:

Non-binding guidelines 

Current guidance becomes non binding after 30 days. Not new guidance is how I interpreted it. 

 

They also got sent back to mediation according to news outlets I read. 

[DCGuy64]

3 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said:

Non-binding guidelines 

Exactly, non-binding. NON-BINDING. As in "thanks, but we'll take it from here."

 

[stellarose]

makes me worry. I was happy with vaccinated ships.  ugh.

[SRQbeachgirl]

Here's a link that includes to full 124-page ruling: Federal judge sides with Florida in lawsuit against CDC over cruise industry (floridapolitics.com)

 

I haven't read it yet, but this is a huge blow to the CDC (poor dears).

[cruizinisthebest]

1 minute ago, BlerkOne said:

Cruise lines still can set their own rules.

And they will. And they won't be able to put it all on the CDC. 

[TNcruising02]

1 minute ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

Here's a link that includes to full 124-page ruling: Federal judge sides with Florida in lawsuit against CDC over cruise industry (floridapolitics.com)

 

I haven't read it yet, but this is a huge blow to the CDC (poor dears).

Many of us felt the CDC was not being reasonable.  It appears the judge agrees.

[LadyMac72]

Sure... you can get on the ship.  But here are the new protocols so onerous it will reduce the numbers of unvaccinated who sail - the PCR test 72 hours before embarkation, instant test at embarkation and debarkation, separate dining, separate shows, masks all the time they are not in their cabin. Throw in some more restrictions - separate seating areas around the pools, ships only excursions (that are for unvaccinated only and twice the price), instant tests when they come back on the ship. And charge them all for it.

 

Watch for it.  Sounds like a not-so-fun vacation.

[Tapi]

I’m happy about this decision as long as the Alaska Tourism Restoration Act isn’t derailed and cruises from Seattle aren’t affected, and as long as sensible protocols are still followed. I hope that cruise lines are smart enough to realize that the media will be on them looking for any screw up. 

Edited June 18, 2021 by Tapi

[lobster1313]

Just now, LadyMac72 said:

Sure... you can get on the ship.  But here are the new protocols so onerous it will reduce the numbers of unvaccinated who sail - the PCR test 72 hours before embarkation, instant test at embarkation and debarkation, separate dining, separate shows, masks all the time they are not in their cabin. Throw in some more restrictions - separate seating areas around the pools, ships only excursions (that are for unvaccinated only and twice the price), instant tests when they come back on the ship. And charge them all for it.

 

Watch for it.  Sounds like a not-so-fun vacation.

They will change.  Carnival has repeatedly stated they shouldn't be treated differently than any other part of the travel industry.

[TNcruising02]

Just now, Tapi said:

I’m happy about this decision as long as the Alaska Tourism Restoration Act isn’t derailed and cruises from Seattle aren’t affected and as long as sensible protocols are still followed. I hope that cruise lines are smart enough to realize that the media will be on them looking for any screw up. 

I think the cruise lines will continue their course with July and August sailings.  This should prevent the CDC from overreaching their authority and shutting things down based on very strict criteria. 

[firefly333]

We dint know the cdc wouldnt appeal do we? I'm not sure it's a clear win. ..see where it goes, but I've said all along the cdc is in the wrong. Common sense. 

[TNcruising02]

1 minute ago, firefly333 said:

We dint know the cdc wouldnt appeal do we? I'm not sure it's a clear win. ..see where it goes, but I've said all along the cdc is in the wrong. Common sense. 

The CDC has a chance to come up with more limited restrictions.  So, this is definitely a win for Florida!