Covid19 on Celebrity Edge

[crimsonbird]

Wondering if the second person was related in any way to the first?  

[Jim_Iain]

15 hours ago, CalTexCruiser said:

Pretty scary that a vaccinated person can get infected on an almost fully vaccinated ship.

 

I would assume it was acquired prior to the cruise and a good chance in Ft Lauderdale or a airline connecting city like Dallas.    With a 2-14 day incubation period it would fall in line.   Infections in  Broward county is averaging 865 new cases a day, up 183% from 2 weeks ago.

 

 

 

 

[cangelmd]

1 hour ago, PS0DSH said:

Even fully vaccinated people can carry and shed the virus. In fact the CDC is finding that out more and more and that’s why they’re now asking fully vaccinated people to mask up.  It’s beginning to be apparent that vaccinated and non-vaccinated people carry almost equal abilities to carry and shed the virus. The vaxxed just have lesser symptoms (usually) if they contract the virus

Uh, not quite true. Delta seems to cause more illness, almost all minor, in vaccinated persons, and the data is tending to show that vaccinated persons can transmit the virus. But that’s not the same as “equal abilities” and certainly vaccinated to vaccinated transmission with subsequent illness is not proven or even yet suggested to my knowledge.

[PS0DSH]

5 minutes ago, cangelmd said:

Uh, not quite true. Delta seems to cause more illness, almost all minor, in vaccinated persons, and the data is tending to show that vaccinated persons can transmit the virus. But that’s not the same as “equal abilities” and certainly vaccinated to vaccinated transmission with subsequent illness is not proven or even yet suggested to my knowledge.

There are many many many examples of vaccinated to vaccinated virus transfers with both parties coming down with symptoms and illness.  It “appears” there have been two on the celebrity edge just this week.  In Tennessee alone, there have been 27 deaths of fully vaccinated people out of 1000 breakthrough cases. That’s about a 2.7% fatality rate among breakthrough cases in Tennessee alone.

Edited July 29, 2021 by PS0DSH

[Gracie115]

3 hours ago, Babr said:

MedJet is a good plan. Comprehensive travel insurance also provides for evacuation. Both have restrictions.

 

My point is that once the cruise lines end their Covid assistance plans, then passengers will have to change their expectations about how they will be treated if they test positive or become ill. At that point, it is up to the passenger and his insurance company to pay.  Don’t expect to be whisked away on a private jet.

 

 

Of course not, and if you are travelling then you should be prepared for those kind of emergencies.  Med Jet covers much more in evacuation plans than most travel insurance which have qualifications of whether the transport is "medically necessary"  or not.  We have friends that thought they were covered when one of them was seriously injured in a fall and the insurance would not cover the evacuation.  It cost them over $100,000.00 to get home.    Med Jet would have  gotten her home according to their guidelines.  

 

 

[jgmorgan]

18 minutes ago, PS0DSH said:

 In Tennessee alone, there have been 27 deaths of fully vaccinated people out of 1000 breakthrough cases. That’s about a 2.7% fatality rate among breakthrough cases in Tennessee alone.

And a 0.001013% Covid fatality rate among 2.666 million fully vaccinated Tennesseans.

[graphicguy]

1 hour ago, mayleeman said:

Anyone claiming the pandemic is over should be the first to volunteer in schools and hospitals if it is so safe now.

 

That said, it is still possible to live our lives with proper precautions. @kenthecruser is smart.

Being vaccinated, I can, and have, volunteered at assisted living homes and schools.  Key, being vaccinated as well as those I've volunteered with being fully vaccinated, too!

[Babr]

15 minutes ago, Gracie115 said:

 

 

Of course not, and if you are travelling then you should be prepared for those kind of emergencies.  Med Jet covers much more in evacuation plans than most travel insurance which have qualifications of whether the transport is "medically necessary"  or not.  We have friends that thought they were covered when one of them was seriously injured in a fall and the insurance would not cover the evacuation.  It cost them over $100,000.00 to get home.    Med Jet would have  gotten her home according to their guidelines.  

 

 

Point taken. I recognize that MedJet has advantages over standard travel policies, and it is a good supplement at a reasonable cost.

 

I did not mean to offend you. My comment was directed at those who may be less familiar with travel insurance and perhaps think that their policy will provide the same level of service that Celebrity is now providing through their assistance plan.

[AbbyCruiser45]

32 minutes ago, PS0DSH said:

In Tennessee alone, there have been 27 deaths of fully vaccinated people out of 1000 breakthrough cases. That’s about a 2.7% fatality rate among breakthrough cases in Tennessee alone.

Take this with a gran of salt. I read an NPR article, cannot find it now, that cited a lot of these "break through" deaths are from individuals that were covid long haulers that got the vaccine as a last ditch treatment option while still in the hospital. 

[Gracie115]

39 minutes ago, Babr said:

Point taken. I recognize that MedJet has advantages over standard travel policies, and it is a good supplement at a reasonable cost.

 

I did not mean to offend you. My comment was directed at those who may be less familiar with travel insurance and perhaps think that their policy will provide the same level of service that Celebrity is now providing through their assistance plan.

 

You didn't offend me at all, just wanted to clarify the difference in what MedJet offers versus most other travel insurance policies.  

 

I also was unaware that the arrangements being made for Covid cases now on board would change that drastically on November 1.  So, yes, good for everyone to know that.

[Cachecara]

7 hours ago, stinkyenglishteacher said:

It’s pretty shocking how odious your smug comments on the “marvelous…freeing” experience of being mask-free in your daily life come across in black and white print. It actually took me a few moments to settle on the adjective “odious” to describe them.  But since most of your post was about you, your feelings, and your subsequent choices. 
 

There are literally MILLIONS dead from Covid, which your armchair epidemiology/ etymology conveniently never mentions. That actually *does* qualify it as a pandemic. 
 

Historically, the term pandemic applies when an illness has spread to many people across different regions and countries. As someone who teaches Greek and Latin roots, kudos for LEGO-blocking the word at its most literal level and yet failing to understand the historical connotations applied to the denotative definition. 
 

I’m sure the mods will take my post down, but I have a coworker who has been in ICU for a month and a young friend who was in ICU for weeks. My patience for the justification of selfishness has worn thin. And in a week, I enter a building where I’m sure 95% of my students will be unmasked and unvaccinated, and I worry for their well-being. 

Simply, thank you for biting the bullet and posting my thoughts.  Thank you.  
I’m so effing over the selfish mindset that continues to feed this pandemic, because THIS is what is feeding the virus and allowing it to mutate. 
I hope these posts are not removed.  

[myn]

Captain Kate again this morning came over the intercom to let us know that another vaccinated passenger has tested positive for Covid19.  Same protocol as before, their family members and contract traced passengers are all in quarantine.  She also mentioned that the covid patient they flew home last night is doing well at home.

 

We've begun to see an increase in mask use by passengers and crew.  We've seen no change in planned activities or changes to our intenery which is to be expected.

 

Will continue to keep everyone updated if there are any new developments.

Edited July 29, 2021 by myn
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[LUVTRAVEL6]

3 hours ago, npb said:

I have seen 3 passengers with the blue ribbon on their wrist. The first was in an elevator without a mask.  The other 2 were in Oceanview and They were double masked.

Were these adults? If you are an unvaccinated adult, you are mandated to wear a mask! What a shame that people disregard the rules.  They were allowed on the ship with specific restrictions, that need to be enforced.  It's good that at least 2 of the people you saw were compliant. 

 

 I was on the July 17th Sailing and I didn't see any wristbands, and only a few masks.  I was told all adults (over 16) were vaxxed, but have no idea if that was true.  I only saw a few teens/children wearing masks (I didn't see any wristbands on the kids/teens, so I don't know if they were required to wear them if too young to be vaxxed, or if they just removed them?)  I talked to a few vaccinated people by the pool who said they were still wearing their masks in crowded indoor places on the ship, due to health reasons. So just because someone has a mask on, doesn't mean they aren't vaccinated.

 

As many have said on these boards, issuing bands to the unvaccinated means they can simply remove them.  Not sure how they enforce masks at that point, especially in the theatre, etc.  There are supposedly sections for unvaccinated passengers, but I saw no such places, and no one asked me for my card to get into the theatre or the casino.  So how would they know who was unvaccinated if the person removed their band?? I didn't even really see anyone checking...

 

And just my opinion, they should consider requiring all the unvaccinated (including children) to wear masks indoors. There were many teens in crowded areas like Silent Disco, and The Club, no masks, and not sure who was vaxxed and who wasn't, but a lot of potential for spreading Covid if someone became infected. Right now, I think if you are under 16, masks are recommended, but optional.

 

 

I felt very safe on the cruise, almost like life was back to normal, which was amazing. It felt so good to be back on a ship!  Probably a little bit of a false sense of security with all that is happening now, and more vaccinated people getting infected. I am getting back on the ship this Saturday, and I'm definitely more nervous!  I really hope they step up the enforcement of masking for the unvaccinated, especially adults who know better and are purposely not complying.

[seabeew]

22 hours ago, Jeremiah1212 said:

I'm actually very glad people are being honest when they start to recognize symptoms and going to get checked out rather than brushing it off as a cold, allergies, etc. and putting more people at risk. 

I was on the Adventure of the Seas in June. As an added level of caution, the ship was no longer selling OTC remedies  for cold, sore throat, fever, cough, stomach ailments, etc. They even provided this information prior to boarding. Passengers were advised that they had to go to the infirmary to obtain these items.

[Susanb10567]

47 minutes ago, LUVTRAVEL6 said:

Were these adults? If you are an unvaccinated adult, you are mandated to wear a mask! What a shame that people disregard the rules.  They were allowed on the ship with specific restrictions, that need to be enforced.  It's good that at least 2 of the people you saw were compliant. 

 

 I was on the July 17th Sailing and I didn't see any wristbands, and only a few masks.  I was told all adults (over 16) were vaxxed, but have no idea if that was true.  I only saw a few teens/children wearing masks (I didn't see any wristbands on the kids/teens, so I don't know if they were required to wear them if too young to be vaxxed, or if they just removed them?)  I talked to a few vaccinated people by the pool who said they were still wearing their masks in crowded indoor places on the ship, due to health reasons. So just because someone has a mask on, doesn't mean they aren't vaccinated.

 

As many have said on these boards, issuing bands to the unvaccinated means they can simply remove them.  Not sure how they enforce masks at that point, especially in the theatre, etc.  There are supposedly sections for unvaccinated passengers, but I saw no such places, and no one asked me for my card to get into the theatre or the casino.  So how would they know who was unvaccinated if the person removed their band?? I didn't even really see anyone checking...

 

And just my opinion, they should consider requiring all the unvaccinated (including children) to wear masks indoors. There were many teens in crowded areas like Silent Disco, and The Club, no masks, and not sure who was vaxxed and who wasn't, but a lot of potential for spreading Covid if someone became infected. Right now, I think if you are under 16, masks are recommended, but optional.

 

 

I felt very safe on the cruise, almost like life was back to normal, which was amazing. It felt so good to be back on a ship!  Probably a little bit of a false sense of security with all that is happening now, and more vaccinated people getting infected. I am getting back on the ship this Saturday, and I'm definitely more nervous!  I really hope they step up the enforcement of masking for the unvaccinated, especially adults who know better and are purposely not complying.

I was on the 17th sailing as well…when I asked guest services they told me there was 11 unvaccinated passengers on board…who knows…

 

I didn’t see any bracelets all week..or sections of the theater designated for unvaccinated passengers…I was in the casino a lot and there was no way to monitor the flow of passengers in there.

 

I had an amazing time and felt like I was in a time warp..It was probably a false sense of security but I enjoyed it. The place I felt most uncomfortable was at the airport and the flight home…

 

We had an amazing time and hoping we are all safe. My DH had to get tested for a procedure and was negative…as well as my sister in law tested and was negative..

 

I wonder if they will start testing passengers at the port before they get on? Or require masks indoors..l guess only time will tell. Also will they continue to help passengers home if they test positive. 

 

 

[WhiteSoxFan]

I don't think X is using wristbands since they are requiring such high vax numbers.  I know that Royal has used them on Florida sailings but they give them to the vaxxed passengers since it really doesn't work the other way around.  Also they punch a hole in the Seapass of the unvaxxed.

 

You have to show your Seapass to get into any area designated for the vaccinated.

[jelayne]

11 minutes ago, Susanb10567 said:

I was on the 17th sailing as well…when I asked guest services they told me there was 11 unvaccinated passengers on board…who knows…

 

I didn’t see any bracelets all week..or sections of the theater designated for unvaccinated passengers…I was in the casino a lot and there was no way to monitor the flow of passengers in there.

 

I had an amazing time and felt like I was in a time warp..It was probably a false sense of security but I enjoyed it. The place I felt most uncomfortable was at the airport and the flight home…

 

We had an amazing time and hoping we are all safe. My DH had to get tested for a procedure and was negative…as well as my sister in law tested and was negative..

 

I wonder if they will start testing passengers at the port before they get on? Or require masks indoors..l guess only time will tell. Also will they continue to help passengers home if they test positive. 

 

 

 Did they say how many of the unvaccinated were children or adults?

[PS0DSH]

2 hours ago, AbbyCruiser45 said:

Take this with a gran of salt. I read an NPR article, cannot find it now, that cited a lot of these "break through" deaths are from individuals that were covid long haulers that got the vaccine as a last ditch treatment option while still in the hospital. 

These are not long-haul patients that took it as a last resort. These were people that were Covid free, got vaccinated, and now are breakthrough cases with 2.7% fatality rate.

[Susanb10567]

19 minutes ago, jelayne said:

 Did they say how many of the unvaccinated were children or adults?

I meant to say 11 unvaccinated adults…he didn’t say how many unvaccinated children.

 

When there was confusion about having to test to get off in ST Maarten…the retreat concierge says I was not flagged as red( I believe that means unvaccinated) and there was around 40ish people that were flagged red

[AZjohn]

1 hour ago, myn said:

Captain Kate again this morning came over the intercom to let us know that another vaccinated passenger has tested positive for Covid19.

Well..... damn.

Just the first thought I had when I read your post. Not blaming you as the messenger, just hoping for some good news getting through this covid 19. 

[DingoMom]

I am on the Edge now, and will be on next week as well. A couple of observations:

 

- Kids under 16 who are Not vaxxed (will be kids under 12 after Aug 1st) are NOT required to wear masks aboard ship. 
- in Cozumel, we could only get off the ship with a ship-sponsored ShoreEx. We could not walk around even the port area. But some of the ShoreEx trips allowed guests to stop and shop in the port area or in town before returning to the ship. Also, the Adventure of the Seas was docked right next to us, and they were allowed free rein in Cozumel. (Note, however, they began their cruise out of Nassau, and I don’t know what the Bahamian process is.)

- One un-vaxxed passenger was not wearing his mask correctly on night 1 in the casino. The pit boss spoke quietly to him. He (the passenger) half-pulled up his mask, started yelling and making rude and obnoxious comments, and still failed to cover his air holes. As he was escorted from the casino, he threw his chips onto a busy Craps table and was belligerent. I have not seen him since that night anywhere n the ship. Coincidence? 😳

[ItsADryHumor]

Just now, DingoMom said:

I am on the Edge now, and will be on next week as well. A couple of observations:

 

- Kids under 16 who are Not vaxxed (will be kids under 12 after Aug 1st) are NOT required to wear masks aboard ship. 
- in Cozumel, we could only get off the ship with a ship-sponsored ShoreEx. We could not walk around even the port area. But some of the ShoreEx trips allowed guests to stop and shop in the port area or in town before returning to the ship. Also, the Adventure of the Seas was docked right next to us, and they were allowed free rein in Cozumel. (Note, however, they began their cruise out of Nassau, and I don’t know what the Bahamian process is.)

- One un-vaxxed passenger was not wearing his mask correctly on night 1 in the casino. The pit boss spoke quietly to him. He (the passenger) half-pulled up his mask, started yelling and making rude and obnoxious comments, and still failed to cover his air holes. As he was escorted from the casino, he threw his chips onto a busy Craps table and was belligerent. I have not seen him since that night anywhere n the ship. Coincidence? 😳

…but did someone keep his chips? Asking for 1699 friends. 🤣🤣

[LUVTRAVEL6]

17 minutes ago, DingoMom said:

I am on the Edge now, and will be on next week as well. A couple of observations:

 

- Kids under 16 who are Not vaxxed (will be kids under 12 after Aug 1st) are NOT required to wear masks aboard ship. 
- in Cozumel, we could only get off the ship with a ship-sponsored ShoreEx. We could not walk around even the port area. But some of the ShoreEx trips allowed guests to stop and shop in the port area or in town before returning to the ship. Also, the Adventure of the Seas was docked right next to us, and they were allowed free rein in Cozumel. (Note, however, they began their cruise out of Nassau, and I don’t know what the Bahamian process is.)

- One un-vaxxed passenger was not wearing his mask correctly on night 1 in the casino. The pit boss spoke quietly to him. He (the passenger) half-pulled up his mask, started yelling and making rude and obnoxious comments, and still failed to cover his air holes. As he was escorted from the casino, he threw his chips onto a busy Craps table and was belligerent. I have not seen him since that night anywhere n the ship. Coincidence? 😳

Wow! Again, the unvaxxed knew the restrictions when they boarded and agreed to them! SELFISH! That’s precisely why they should have ZERO unvaccinated adults at this point, because some initially agree to protocols, then get angry when they are enforced!!  If you can’t get the vaccine due to a health issue, then sorry, you just shouldn’t be able to cruise at this time. It causes the ship personnel to have to be police! 

[ItsADryHumor]

44 minutes ago, DingoMom said:

I am on the Edge now, and will be on next week as well. A couple of observations:

 

- Kids under 16 who are Not vaxxed (will be kids under 12 after Aug 1st) are NOT required to wear masks aboard ship. 
- in Cozumel, we could only get off the ship with a ship-sponsored ShoreEx. We could not walk around even the port area. But some of the ShoreEx trips allowed guests to stop and shop in the port area or in town before returning to the ship. Also, the Adventure of the Seas was docked right next to us, and they were allowed free rein in Cozumel. (Note, however, they began their cruise out of Nassau, and I don’t know what the Bahamian process is.)

- One un-vaxxed passenger was not wearing his mask correctly on night 1 in the casino. The pit boss spoke quietly to him. He (the passenger) half-pulled up his mask, started yelling and making rude and obnoxious comments, and still failed to cover his air holes. As he was escorted from the casino, he threw his chips onto a busy Craps table and was belligerent. I have not seen him since that night anywhere n the ship. Coincidence? 😳

@DingoMom, my husband and I looked for you to chat more last night, but you’d left The Club, and we looked around for a few minutes in other places before deciding that you’d think we were stalkers and called it off. 🤣 Hope you have an amazing rest of your trip! 

[bouhunter]

4 hours ago, PS0DSH said:

There are many many many examples of vaccinated to vaccinated virus transfers with both parties coming down with symptoms and illness.  It “appears” there have been two on the celebrity edge just this week.  In Tennessee alone, there have been 27 deaths of fully vaccinated people out of 1000 breakthrough cases. That’s about a 2.7% fatality rate among breakthrough cases in Tennessee alone.

Would be nice if you provided verification of this.

Edited July 29, 2021 by bouhunter