ausbod Posted November 23, 2022 #1 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Had booked on Noordam for the San Diego to Sydney cruise in October but then when ports were cancelled and substituted we cancelled. Now we notice this has happened with Zuiderdam cruise to Fort Lauderdale. We have a cruise booked on P&O Australia on the former Star Princess (now Pacific Encounter). Today we were advised that Komodo Island was substituted with Lombok and also our Cairns overnight had been substituted with an additional sea day. My feeling is that Carnival Corporate have directed brands to reduce port time and increase sea days to save fuel costs. Doesn’t matter that many choose a particular cruise for specific ports that we wanted to visit. We are not the first consideration anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Mary229 Posted November 23, 2022 #2 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) Without researching date, time, weather, new regulations we cannot know why they cancelled ports. This year the only ports that were canceled on my cruises were because of sudden changes to the port nation’s Covid policies . Since you are from Australia you should understand that can happen. In the US a few jurisdictions have now prohibited large cruise ships. Komodo Island has similar restrictions Edited November 23, 2022 by Mary229 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ski ww Posted November 23, 2022 #3 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Sea days do not save fuel, you burn more fuel cruising then spending a day in port. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganFisherman Posted November 23, 2022 #4 Share Posted November 23, 2022 27 minutes ago, ski ww said: Sea days do not save fuel, you burn more fuel cruising then spending a day in port. But then more people aboard equals more spending on food, drinks, shopping, and the casino. You never know, maybe the OP is on to something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted November 23, 2022 #5 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Port days have shore excursions, which have tremendous markup on the price. Dumping ports to make more money is a common, but never proven theory. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted November 23, 2022 #6 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, ausbod said: My feeling is that Carnival Corporate have directed brands to reduce port time and increase sea days to save fuel costs. 56 minutes ago, ski ww said: Sea days do not save fuel, you burn more fuel cruising then spending a day in port. Correct. In port, the ship will normally be able to reduce to one generator on line, at a fairly high load, so very fuel efficient. While underway, the ship's automation is hard-wired to require a minimum of 2-3 generators, regardless of how slow you steam, so you have excess capacity, running at low load, so you not only burn more fuel over more hours, you do so less efficiently. Unless there are required "full speed" transits between ports in the original itinerary, that allow for a slower speed without the port call, you won't save fuel. And, even then, unless the "full speed" run is more than 2-3 days, the fuel savings from slow steaming is marginal. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare VMax1700 Posted November 23, 2022 #7 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, ausbod said: reduce port time and increase sea days to save fuel costs. Perhaps you could explain the science and financial calculations behind this theory? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare VMax1700 Posted November 23, 2022 #8 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, ausbod said: many choose a particular cruise for specific ports Not too clever, as many imponderables can lead to ports being missed or changed not least that the cruise contract permits it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted November 23, 2022 #9 Share Posted November 23, 2022 54 minutes ago, VMax1700 said: Perhaps you could explain the science and financial calculations behind this theory? Science, facts? Not required. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Banditswife Posted November 23, 2022 #10 Share Posted November 23, 2022 While we understand it is in our cruise contract that the ship/cruise line can change/eliminate ports, it is frustrating. They don't give any explanation of why they made the change. If they did give us a reason for the change, we would be less frustrated. We have a B2B that originally stopped at Key West on both cruises. One KW stop was changed early on, & 2nd was changed much closer to sail date. In gathering info from this board, I learn that KW would rather not have large cruise ships port there. Whether KW is not allowing the ship in or there is some other reason, it would be nice to know that reason. We were really looking forward to KW, used our HIA credit for a more expensive tour there. Yes they refunded the tour cost to our HIA bank, but there are no other tours we are interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Mary229 Posted November 23, 2022 #11 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Banditswife said: While we understand it is in our cruise contract that the ship/cruise line can change/eliminate ports, it is frustrating. They don't give any explanation of why they made the change. If they did give us a reason for the change, we would be less frustrated. We have a B2B that originally stopped at Key West on both cruises. One KW stop was changed early on, & 2nd was changed much closer to sail date. In gathering info from this board, I learn that KW would rather not have large cruise ships port there. Whether KW is not allowing the ship in or there is some other reason, it would be nice to know that reason. We were really looking forward to KW, used our HIA credit for a more expensive tour there. Yes they refunded the tour cost to our HIA bank, but there are no other tours we are interested in. I agree, they could be more forthcoming. I think most pax would be more understanding of the situation if they know. Unfortunately the lines are often navigating through a slew of election and judicial actions when trying to create itineraries. KW seemed pretty set in stone but perhaps it was in court? in the case of Komodo there was a van then there was a negotiation. I don’t know the exact timeline but it may be recenthttps://www.cnn.com/travel/article/tourism-strike-komodo-island-indonesia/index.html Edited November 23, 2022 by Mary229 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare albingirl Posted November 23, 2022 #12 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Maybe HAL should stop selling cruises with KW as a port. They've done it with us even though it's been well known for YEARS that KW doesn't want the ships anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakepatrol Posted November 23, 2022 #13 Share Posted November 23, 2022 The ship burns 350 gallons every 190 yards. So it burns more fuel when it’s moving than when it’s tied to a dock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShipWalker Posted November 23, 2022 #14 Share Posted November 23, 2022 If at least one port on my cruise is not cancelled I start to get suspicious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Banditswife Posted November 23, 2022 #15 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, albingirl said: Maybe HAL should stop selling cruises with KW as a port. They've done it with us even though it's been well known for YEARS that KW doesn't want the ships anymore. Agree. Even after they canceled KWest, they KW on itinerary for new bookings. I am ok w/ canceled or changed ports- still just wish they'd be up front about it. We booked this cruise for the ship, so we are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakepatrol Posted November 23, 2022 #16 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Trust me the crew wants to get everyone off the ship and have a little peace 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cbr663 Posted November 23, 2022 #17 Share Posted November 23, 2022 I understand the frustration of missed ports. I hate sea days and travel for itineraries, not sea days. Too many sea days and I will not book the cruise. Yes, I understand that ports sometimes have to be missed. I can be understanding and disappointed at the same time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Mary229 Posted November 23, 2022 #18 Share Posted November 23, 2022 I seem to recall someone explaining that the dock that state funds paid to build is still open to cruise ships. It seems there are scheduling issues using that dock. It appears it is only allowing one or two ships to dock a day and I am sure that must be a logistical puzzle. Hopefully the kinks will be worked out of this new system https://cruisedig.com/ports/key-west-florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Banditswife Posted November 23, 2022 #19 Share Posted November 23, 2022 The above schedule still shows NS in port on Dec 2 & 9th. Those have been changed. Dec 2- Freeport Dec 9 Bimini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare The-Inside-Cabin Posted November 23, 2022 #20 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) If there is a port you really want to visit - fly there. Don't take a cruise ship. Never take a cruise if you will be disappointed if a particular port is canceled. If you might ever want to say "The only reason I took this cruise was to visit X" then please don't take the cruise. Edited November 23, 2022 by The-Inside-Cabin 14 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ldtr Posted November 23, 2022 #21 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Mary229 said: I seem to recall someone explaining that the dock that state funds paid to build is still open to cruise ships. It seems there are scheduling issues using that dock. It appears it is only allowing one or two ships to dock a day and I am sure that must be a logistical puzzle. Hopefully the kinks will be worked out of this new system https://cruisedig.com/ports/key-west-florida In Key West there are 3 docks. Two of which are managed by the city of key west. Those are being operated in accordance with the outcome of the referendum Basically limited ship sizes. The third dock, dock B, is privately owned and operated (nothing to do with any state funds). It is still accepting large cruise ships. Basically if there is another large cruise ship scheduled for Key West on the day the HAL ship is scheduled to be there, most likely the port will be changed. If it is the only large ship scheduled it will most likely go there as scheduled. Cruise lines tend to not change scheduled ports until they are formally notified that they will not be allowed to make the port call. Pretty much the same thing when restrictions were put in place in Venice, and Bora Bora. The itineraries did not get changed until the cruise lines received official word that the ship would not be able to stop there, even though the ports limits were well publicized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Mary229 Posted November 24, 2022 #22 Share Posted November 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, ldtr said: In Key West there are 3 docks. Two of which are managed by the city of key west. Those are being operated in accordance with the outcome of the referendum Basically limited ship sizes. The third dock, dock B, is privately owned and operated (nothing to do with any state funds). It is still accepting large cruise ships. Basically if there is another large cruise ship scheduled for Key West on the day the HAL ship is scheduled to be there, most likely the port will be changed. If it is the only large ship scheduled it will most likely go there as scheduled. Cruise lines tend to not change scheduled ports until they are formally notified that they will not be allowed to make the port call. Pretty much the same thing when restrictions were put in place in Venice, and Bora Bora. The itineraries did not get changed until the cruise lines received official word that the ship would not be able to stop there, even though the ports limits were well publicized. Thanks for the clarification, I recall that this information had been posted before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RD64 Posted November 24, 2022 #23 Share Posted November 24, 2022 50 minutes ago, The-Inside-Cabin said: If there is a port you really want to visit - fly there. Don't take a cruise ship. Never take a cruise if you will be disappointed if a particular port is canceled. If you might ever want to say "The only reason I took this cruise was to visit X" then please don't take the cruise. Thank you - these are the wisest words to be found on this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted November 24, 2022 #24 Share Posted November 24, 2022 I hope no cruise line is still advertising St. Petersburg, Russia as a port! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Mary229 Posted November 24, 2022 #25 Share Posted November 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, ontheweb said: I hope no cruise line is still advertising St. Petersburg, Russia as a port! I think some still have it for 2023 - wishful thinking. It has been a month or so since I last checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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