HAL4ME Posted July 26, 2011 #626 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Yes you are right but it does not help a luxury line that needs to keep the standards high,it could possibly ruin a luxury line that has to cut costs to survive.I think that prices should be higher so that the standards do not slip,but over capacity is going to be the real test and not just for Seabourn,Silversea are also giving their cruises away at present. Oceania is in a good position now as they are just below the luxury level but with good new ships. IMHO, Oceania is NOT a luxury brand but a "wanna be brand" positioned in between mass market products such as Princess, HAL and Celebrity and Luxury Lines such as Seabourn and Silver Seas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord of the seas Posted July 26, 2011 #627 Share Posted July 26, 2011 IMHO, Oceania is NOT a luxury brand but a "wanna be brand" positioned in between mass market products such as Princess, HAL and Celebrity and Luxury Lines such as Seabourn and Silver Seas. That's what I said,they are just below the luxury level,but that said Seabourn is by far the best value in the industry with record low fares which, with the all inclusice deal make it much cheaper than the Hal's and celebrity's of this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEOPHYTUS Posted July 26, 2011 #628 Share Posted July 26, 2011 (edited) The only problem is that the masses might see these offers and get onboard.:D There goes the neighborhood..... :eek::eek::eek::eek: The great unwashed have been sited more frequently at increased numbers and with Wal-Mart pricing it can turn into a stampede. During the Sojourn world cruise, Seabourn sold small 7/10 day segments within & between Australia and NZ ports in the local market only, as the ship filled up while the service and the character sharply declined. It was discovered that these short-term pax, paid somewhere between $175-$200 per person, with some world cruisers paying double that and more. As word spread and the savvy ones who complained, received hefty refunds and credits. Edited July 26, 2011 by NEOPHYTUS typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord of the seas Posted July 26, 2011 #629 Share Posted July 26, 2011 There goes the neighborhood..... :eek::eek::eek::eek:The great unwashed have been sited more frequently at increased numbers and with Wal-Mart pricing it can turn into a stampede. During the Sojourn world cruise, Seabourn sold small 7/10 day segments within & between Australia and NZ ports in the local market only, as the ship filled up while the service and the character sharply declined. It was discovered that these short-term pax, paid somewhere between $175-$200 per person, with some world cruisers paying double that and more. As word spread and the savvy ones who complained, received hefty refunds and credits. We will see more of this I am sure :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiawahdon Posted July 26, 2011 #630 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Oceania is in a good position now as they are just below the luxury level but with good new ships. Based upon the fact I get more weekly solicitations from Oceania than from all the world's credit card and health insurance companies, I strongly suspect O's load factors are in the tank. Walmart has fewer circulars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wripro Posted July 26, 2011 #631 Share Posted July 26, 2011 The "great masses" have never even heard of Seabourn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARIANH Posted July 26, 2011 #632 Share Posted July 26, 2011 The "great masses" have never even heard of Seabourn. Not sure that is correct for the hoi polloi this side of the pond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord of the seas Posted July 26, 2011 #633 Share Posted July 26, 2011 The "great masses" have never even heard of Seabourn. Why are some of them posting here then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL4ME Posted July 26, 2011 #634 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Why are some of them posting here then Uh hum...did you mean ME perhaps?:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneBP Posted July 30, 2011 #635 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Question: What is the tender service like on the big ships? What deck, lots of stairs? On the small ships one walked down outside the lounge and then I could take the service elevator up to 5. I need to know as it makes a difference if I plan an excursion or not. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3418ahl Posted July 30, 2011 #636 Share Posted July 30, 2011 I was very much looking forward to our first Seabourne cruise, but must admit that reading this thread causes some trepidation. Exactly what constitutes the "unwashed masses"? I am aware that Seabourne is a luxury line....I was not aware that it was an elitist line?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare frantic36 Posted July 31, 2011 #637 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I was very much looking forward to our first Seabourne cruise, but must admit that reading this thread causes some trepidation. Exactly what constitutes the "unwashed masses"? I am aware that Seabourne is a luxury line....I was not aware that it was an elitist line?? Don't worry. For the most part the passengers are lovely, interesting people who have fascinating stories to tell. The ships though small are roomy enough that you can easily avoid the one or two you may feel uncomfortable with. I met people from all walks of life but who all had the ability to be well mannered and intelligent. Some times it gets a bit silly on here but I find the best way is to sift out the wonderful information imparted and take the rest with a pinch of salt as some play the game of one upmanship. They mean no harm. Kind regards, Julie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabourn-nail Posted July 31, 2011 #638 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Question: What is the tender service like on the big ships? What deck, lots of stairs? On the small ships one walked down outside the lounge and then I could take the service elevator up to 5. I need to know as it makes a difference if I plan an excursion or not.Thanks. The tenders are easier to reach.... not many steps. However, we find the tenders as such not very comfortable. As a matter of fact, the old ones on the small ships are easier to be seated. Marja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneBP Posted July 31, 2011 #639 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Thanks, Marja. I want to dine at the restaurant in Bar Harbor, Acadia National Forest that Chairsin recommended and we tender at that port. My mobility has become increasingly hampered. In the triplets, going down is ok, it's the two levels up that are the killer, hence the ability to use the service elevator is a real help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoya68 Posted July 31, 2011 #640 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Don't worry. For the most part the passengers are lovely, interesting people who have fascinating stories to tell. ...... I met people from all walks of life but who all had the ability to be well mannered and intelligent. Some times it gets a bit silly on here but I find the best way is to sift out the wonderful information imparted and take the rest with a pinch of salt as some play the game of one upmanship. They mean no harm. Kind regards, Julie Well said, Julie. I would rather spend some time with a retired couple who spent their lives doing good and for whom a Seabourn cruise is a once in a lifetime experience, than a Captain of Industry (with trophy wife) who is so self-important that it requires a crane to get his ego on the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabourn-nail Posted July 31, 2011 #641 Share Posted July 31, 2011 [quote name='JaneBP']Thanks, Marja. I want to dine at the restaurant in Bar Harbor, Acadia National Forest that Chairsin recommended and we tender at that port. My mobility has become increasingly hampered. In the triplets, going down is ok, it's the two levels up that are the killer, hence the ability to use the service elevator is a real help.[/quote] [I][COLOR=darkorchid]I'm sorry to hear that Jane.... I would certainly go for it as you don't have to climb stairs and the crew will be helpful in the tenders.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=#9932cc]Have a nice Sunday![/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=#9932cc]Marja[/COLOR][/I] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneBP Posted July 31, 2011 #642 Share Posted July 31, 2011 >" I would rather spend some time with a retired couple who spent their lives doing good and for whom a Seabourn cruise is a once in a lifetime experience, than a Captain of Industry (with trophy wife) who is so self-important that it requires a crane to get his ego on the ship." But how can you tell them apart until you meet them? I am inferring from your remark that is the type of cruiser who sits at a hosted table. Is that right? If so, I think that is a misunderstanding. I find that the hosted tables are make up of a variety of people who enjoy meeting people and yes, occasionally preferring not to dine alone. Of course, there was the hosted table I attended which included one of the ships engineers and 8 Germans, all of whom knew each other. I was just lucky I had lived for a few years in Germany after college or I would have been sunk. Certainly no captains of industry. JUst a fun way to spend dinner time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoya68 Posted July 31, 2011 #643 Share Posted July 31, 2011 JaneBP: No, I don't judge people until I get to know them. What I am saying is that just because some people view themselves as above "the unwashed masses" doesn't make them enjoyable to be with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneBP Posted July 31, 2011 #644 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Sorry, I mis-understood your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneBP Posted August 4, 2011 #645 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Watch the MOVE video, 1 minute dedicated to travel. [url]http://vimeo.com/rickmereki[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrpingtonT Posted August 5, 2011 #646 Share Posted August 5, 2011 [quote name='JaneBP']Watch the MOVE video, 1 minute dedicated to travel. [URL]http://vimeo.com/rickmereki[/URL][/quote] Thanks fo posting but that was everything I dislike about modern documentary making. Maybe it is my old eyes, but the quick flashing from one scene to another gives me no time to appreciate what I am seeing. Nice mountain scene at the end.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillieMeter Posted August 5, 2011 #647 Share Posted August 5, 2011 [quote name='3418ahl']I was very much looking forward to our first Seabourne cruise, but must admit that reading this thread causes some trepidation. Exactly what constitutes the "unwashed masses"? I am aware that Seabourne is a luxury line....I was not aware that it was an elitist line??[/quote] Couldn't agree more--who are these SNOBS??? This is my first cruise ever and if I run across the people that have been posting about "unwashed masses" that have gotten a good deal on price as not being worthy to be in the same room with them--it may be a loooooong 7 days. Surely there are some people that don't think like that on Seabourn--if not my husband and our traveling buddies and myself have made a bad error--but we couldn't figure out any other practical way to go to the Greek Isles other than a cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaPaloma Posted August 5, 2011 #648 Share Posted August 5, 2011 [quote name='MillieMeter']Couldn't agree more--who are these SNOBS??? This is my first cruise ever and if I run across the people that have been posting about "unwashed masses" that have gotten a good deal on price as not being worthy to be in the same room with them--it may be a loooooong 7 days. Surely there are some people that don't think like that on Seabourn--if not my husband and our traveling buddies and myself have made a bad error--but we couldn't figure out any other practical way to go to the Greek Isles other than a cruise.[/quote] Come now...do you always judge by what "someone" says. If you will back up on these posts..you will see that this is not the way it is. I have been on Seabourn for about 12 years...trust me..just like in all places, you meet all kinds. We have thoroughly enjoyed the SB guests, staff, and crew. Yes, there will be the occasional "pain"...but that is life. Go and enjoy your cruise and then come back and tell us what a wonderfl experience it was.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Host Dan Posted August 5, 2011 Author #649 Share Posted August 5, 2011 [quote name='LaPaloma']Come now...do you always judge by what "someone" says. If you will back up on these posts..you will see that this is not the way it is. I have been on Seabourn for about 12 years...trust me..just like in all places, you meet all kinds. We have thoroughly enjoyed the SB guests, staff, and crew. Yes, there will be the occasional "pain"...but that is life. Go and enjoy your cruise and then come back and tell us what a wonderfl experience it was.;)[/QUOTE] Totally agree. In my experience (over 200 days on SB) I have only met 1 true "snob". Turned out she was a TA, traveling on a reduced fare and the first time on SB. Go figure! Host Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiskadee Posted August 5, 2011 #650 Share Posted August 5, 2011 [quote name='MillieMeter']Couldn't agree more--who are these SNOBS??? This is my first cruise ever and if I run across the people that have been posting about "unwashed masses" that have gotten a good deal on price as not being worthy to be in the same room with them--it may be a loooooong 7 days. Surely there are some people that don't think like that on Seabourn--if not my husband and our traveling buddies and myself have made a bad error--but we couldn't figure out any other practical way to go to the Greek Isles other than a cruise.[/quote] Please do not be put off by comments like this. There are a few people who like to think they are high society types----and they can't even spell ! 99 % of the people on Seabourn are delightful and not at all snobbish. People who make comments like this have no class. Go and enjoy a wonderful Seabourn cruise---you wont regret it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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