cgmurr Posted July 29, 2009 #1 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I'm trying to book a cruise on the Victory departing 5/10/10. Right now, there are two of us, with a very likely third, but she's not quite ready to commit. We can book into 1111 on the Spa deck with two people no problem. First, I'd like to know if anyone has any knowledge of this cabin, and whether its capable of sleeping more than two. According to: https://www.bookccl.com/irman/bookccl/the_fleet/victory/victory.htm under cabin descriptions, cabin 1111 has twin/king, 1 upper and 1 sofabed. However, according to the PVP, it only holds two. Second, assuming 1111 does not hold more than two, if we were to add in a third, and we paid for a Spa Deck cabin, would they forcefully downgrade us into a lower category, since no Spa cabin holds exactly three guests? This entire process has been pretty irritating, mainly because on each of my prior three cruises with Carnival, on the Triumph, Freedom and Liberty, we were a group of three on the Spa deck in a cabin made for four. Is this a new policy they've implemented? I mean, at some point, you'd think brand loyalty would mean something (I'm also on the Dream TA this Oct.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zqvol Posted July 29, 2009 #2 Share Posted July 29, 2009 You are talking with a PVP who doesn't know what they are talking about. Call the 800# and deal with them. Leave the PVP out. Unless you are booking ES rate why not have the third go ahead and reserve now. They can always cancel without penalty and with the sale going on might get a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurbanfan Posted July 29, 2009 #3 Share Posted July 29, 2009 According to the deck plans I am reading......both cabins on either side of 1111 hold 4.......1111 holds 2........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgmurr Posted July 29, 2009 Author #4 Share Posted July 29, 2009 You are talking with a PVP who doesn't know what they are talking about. Call the 800# and deal with them. Leave the PVP out. Unless you are booking ES rate why not have the third go ahead and reserve now. They can always cancel without penalty and with the sale going on might get a great deal. I called 888-CARNIVAL...is there another # to call? Yes, we're trying to get the ES rates, b/c they're a full $200pp cheaper. Either way, they're not allowing us to book three into a cabin on the Spa deck, no matter which cabin we try. I'd be wiling to go ahead and book the third now and risk losing the deposit if we could find a way into a Spa cabin. My specific question about 1111 is simply b/c we can reserve it with only two, and I'm curious if its capable of holding three (per the Carnival-issued description I referenced) despite what the deck plan says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted July 29, 2009 #5 Share Posted July 29, 2009 According to the deck plans I am reading......both cabins on either side of 1111 hold 4.......1111 holds 2........ thats what Im seeing too. No symbol on that cabin, which means it is a standard cabin for only 2 people. Cant hold a 3rd person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted July 29, 2009 #6 Share Posted July 29, 2009 IMy specific question about 1111 is simply b/c we can reserve it with only two, and I'm curious if its capable of holding three (per the Carnival-issued description I referenced) despite what the deck plan says. You cannot put 3 in a cabin for only 2, no matter what. Coast Guard rules. You can book 2 into this cabin, but not 3. PS I am not seeing the legend you mentioned showing this cabin has a convertible sofa and a bunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zqvol Posted July 29, 2009 #7 Share Posted July 29, 2009 You cannot put 3 in a cabin for only 2, no matter what. Coast Guard rules. You can book 2 into this cabin, but not 3. PS I am not seeing the legend you mentioned showing this cabin has a convertible sofa and a bunk. The coast guard could not care how many people are in which cabin. they are only concerned with the total on the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted July 29, 2009 #8 Share Posted July 29, 2009 The coast guard could not care how many people are in which cabin. they are only concerned with the total on the ship. OK, Im told they issue the life vest according to how many are allowed in each cabin and the coast guard doesnt allow extras to be added, the way a hotel does. Its also a issue because they figure out the life boats per how many are allowed in each cabin, which is how it becomes a coast guard issue. ... because the coast guard makes them have no more than allowed in each life boat. (which is why sometimes in a 4 person cabin booked for 2, you cant add the extra 2 people later on, the life boats reached their max). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgmurr Posted July 29, 2009 Author #9 Share Posted July 29, 2009 PS I am not seeing the legend you mentioned showing this cabin has a convertible sofa and a bunk. Click on the link, to the right you'll see a menu. The first choice is "Stateroom Descriptions." Click on "Deck 11: Spa," then scroll down to Cabin 1111. https://www.bookccl.com/irman/bookccl/the_fleet/victory/victory.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fofita01 Posted July 29, 2009 #10 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Perhaps the reason why is because there are Occupancy restrictions in place already? OP - I do see what you are saying on the BookCCL.com website. An OST4 is supposed to hold 4 guests Cabin 1111 8F OST4 195/35 sq ft Beds: twin/king-1 upper-1 sofabed rab:0 connecting doors: 1115 View: window and standard balcony connecting balconies: no TV; telephone; 110 AC current; individual climate control; hair dryer; wall safe; 3-closets; shower; sofa and coffee table BUT on the deck plans it only shows it as a cabin for 2. Perhaps one of the two sources has not been updated. I would call either your PVP or 800# again and ask if there are any occupancy restrictions in place for your sailing and that's the reason why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livestocruisetoo Posted July 29, 2009 #11 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Click on the link, to the right you'll see a menu. The first choice is "Stateroom Descriptions." Click on "Deck 11: Spa," then scroll down to Cabin 1111. https://www.bookccl.com/irman/bookccl/the_fleet/victory/victory.htm http://www.carnival.com/Deck_Plan.aspx?shipCode=VI&icid=CC_Carnival%20Victory_206 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgmurr Posted July 29, 2009 Author #12 Share Posted July 29, 2009 http://www.carnival.com/Deck_Plan.aspx?shipCode=VI&icid=CC_Carnival%20Victory_206 Right, I understand that's what the Carnival website says, or else I wouldn't of had the question in the first place. But given the conflicting information they give to TAs, that's why I'm asking if anyone has actual knowledge instead of just referring to the website. For what its worth, according to the deck plan on Carnival's website, category 8G only fits two people, but you can book them with 3. Moving on to the second part of my question, if I were to book a 2-person Spa Deck cabin, and then want to add a third person, will Carnival be willing to move me to a 4-person Spa cabin (assuming there's one open, of course), or will they force me to downgrade to a lower deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froufie Posted July 29, 2009 #13 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I believe if you want to add a 3rd person to a designated 2 person cabin - they would move you wherever you wanted providing you paid the cost! If you are forced into switching cabins to accommodate a 3rd person and time has elapsed - costs can go up (or down I suppose?) and I believe you would have to pay the higher price??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCTribeFan Posted July 29, 2009 #14 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Can you even do that, booking ES? Wouldn't you have to book for three, and give names, and since no names changes are allowed, you'd end up paying for 3 people even if only 2 go? No idea about whether a cabin for 4 can be booked for only 3. I thought that you could not do that, as they need to hold those open in case 4 want to book a cabin. If they allow 3 to book those that hold 4, then the 3 could get bumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted July 29, 2009 #15 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Click on the link, to the right you'll see a menu. The first choice is "Stateroom Descriptions." Click on "Deck 11: Spa," then scroll down to Cabin 1111. https://www.bookccl.com/irman/bookccl/the_fleet/victory/victory.htm I tried, my eyes arent good enough to read the small print that came up to be honest .... thats why I went to the carnival site. I couldnt see your cabin on the legend on your link, sorry. It does look like there is obviously a error if the regular carnival deck plans say its a 2 man cabin then 3 will not be allowed, I am 110% positive. bookccl has a lot of other errors on descriptions as most of us know, so I wouldnt count on it. I read it, and some cabins say bunks that dont have bunks, they are twins on 1As, its full of misinformation. OK to start with it, but you have to know not to count on the descriptions on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted July 29, 2009 #16 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I believe if you want to add a 3rd person to a designated 2 person cabin - they would move you wherever you wanted providing you paid the cost! If you are forced into switching cabins to accommodate a 3rd person and time has elapsed - costs can go up (or down I suppose?) and I believe you would have to pay the higher price??? iv found this varys. My friend couldnt book a 4 man on her cruise during the summer, per our PVP, they held those for families of 4. In slower seasons, she could book a 4 man for 3, so it also varys by time of year the OP is booking... and by ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgmurr Posted July 29, 2009 Author #17 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Can you even do that, booking ES? Wouldn't you have to book for three, and give names, and since no names changes are allowed, you'd end up paying for 3 people even if only 2 go? No idea about whether a cabin for 4 can be booked for only 3. I thought that you could not do that, as they need to hold those open in case 4 want to book a cabin. If they allow 3 to book those that hold 4, then the 3 could get bumped. Yes, according to Carnival, you can always add in at whatever the prevailing 3rd/4th rate is without affecting the ES rate you booked the 1st/2nd guest in at. I'm just not sure how they'd handle it if we paid for a Spa Deck cabin, then had a third, since there's no 3-person cabins on that deck. bookccl has a lot of other errors on descriptions as most of us know, so I wouldnt count on it. I read it, and some cabins say bunks that dont have bunks, they are twins on 1As, its full of misinformation. OK to start with it, but you have to know not to count on the descriptions on it. Fair enough...obviously one of them (bookccl or the Carnival deck plans) had to be wrong, I just didn't know which one to count on (since the deck plan has proven not to be infallible either e.g., booking 3 into an 8G cabin). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceanseagle12 Posted July 29, 2009 #18 Share Posted July 29, 2009 There is no sailing on May 10, 2010, so I am assuming you mean May 9. I just went to carnival.com and did a mock booking for 3 people on the Victory for that date. For the 8F Spa cabins, it gives me the following choices for 3 people: 1101,1102,1103,1104,1105,1106,1109,1110,1114,1115. So, it doesn't look like you should have a problem booking 3 people in that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurbanfan Posted July 29, 2009 #19 Share Posted July 29, 2009 There is no sailing on May 10, 2010, so I am assuming you mean May 9. I just went to carnival.com and did a mock booking for 3 people on the Victory for that date. For the 8F Spa cabins, it gives me the following choices for 3 people: 1101,1102,1103,1104,1105,1106,1109,1110,1114,1115. So, it doesn't look like you should have a problem booking 3 people in that category. The op is trying to book 3 in cabin 1111.........which holds 2....... All the others hold 4.....she could book 3......but there is a possibility of being moved for a family of 4..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgmurr Posted July 29, 2009 Author #20 Share Posted July 29, 2009 There is no sailing on May 10, 2010, so I am assuming you mean May 9. I just went to carnival.com and did a mock booking for 3 people on the Victory for that date. For the 8F Spa cabins, it gives me the following choices for 3 people: 1101,1102,1103,1104,1105,1106,1109,1110,1114,1115. So, it doesn't look like you should have a problem booking 3 people in that category. My apologies, its 5.30.10. It looks like they start restricting the spa cabins as of the May 23 sailing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fofita01 Posted July 30, 2009 #21 Share Posted July 30, 2009 My apologies, its 5.30.10. It looks like they start restricting the spa cabins as of the May 23 sailing. So there are occupancy restrictions in place? Carnival often does this when the ship is nearing capacity per coast guard regulations or when Carnival wants to enforce that berths are not spoiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceanseagle12 Posted July 30, 2009 #22 Share Posted July 30, 2009 The op is trying to book 3 in cabin 1111.........which holds 2.......All the others hold 4.....she could book 3......but there is a possibility of being moved for a family of 4..... I am aware of that. Her question was would she be forced to downgrade because no cabins in her category could be booked for 3 people. My point was you CAN book those cabins for three people for the sailing on May 9, so it would not have been a problem to switch into a spa cabin for 3 people. It appears to be a different situation for the May 30 sailing, which the OP has since clarified is the sailing she is booked on. There are several spa cabins available, but there are in fact occupancy restrictions in place, as they are only showing on the site for a group of 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bead_dazzled Posted July 30, 2009 #23 Share Posted July 30, 2009 The reason Spa Deck cabin 1111 only hosts 2 guests is it is an adjoining cabin. The door prevents the addition of the 3rd bed. Yes, Carnival will re-assign your cabin based on number of guests booked. We booked 2 cabins this summer on the Conquest. One balcony cabin for the parents and an interior cabin for the kids plus friends. The 4th friend had not yet confirmed when I had to make the final payment. I selected very specific cabins for location, noise, etc. and paid the higher Fun Select fare for this option. When I rec'd my confirmation the next day, my cabins were changed! I called my PVP and he advised that Revenue Accounting changed my cabins because I only booked 3 guests in a cabin that would hold 4. Yes, if you book a 4 person cabin and only book 3 guests, Carnival could re-book your cabin elsewhere regardless of the type of fare you paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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