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As far as the list on the crane barge, that would be controlled by onboard ballast tanks ( pump water into them as required) Tug would have nothing to do with it.

Turning the platform is not a real problem as you will notice they have two cranes hooked up to it. The turning would be accomplished by placement of the crane booms. Regards.

I can't see why it will be a complicated job to remove the funnel. Obviously there would be a need to check for explosive gas, but if it was safe it should not take long to cut it out.

 

David.

 

 

With respect, spoken like a true armchair Boiler Maker.......Please consider the angle of the ship, would you just sent a couple of guys in with torches and say Have at it boys? Circumstances are far different than when the ship is upright, There will be insulation, cladding, paint removal so you can burn, where / how do you stand, the rigging of the funnel, electrical wires to cut/disconnect plus many other safety considerations. I can assure it would not be a fun job. Been there, done it. Regards, Ian

Is it really necessary to hijack this thread. What has the above discussion to with the Concordia......................all that has be accomplished it make this a useless thread.

A amazing about of money.

 

I still think it would have been better to break her up!.The oil is out of her to the degree it would not be enviromental problem.

 

AKK

 

 

With respect, I disagree that ALL the oil is out of the ship, there still as to be some fuel oil remaining plus all the engine lube oils and hydraulic oils still on board and also many other probable contaminates.

 

Regards

I would suggest that the "ribs" are more than just support brackets. Notice the reinforced "eyes" at the lower end of them. The holes have doubler plates welded to both sides, and to me this suggests that they are going to be subjected to a lot of stress.

Regards.

I am interested in the proccess of the lifting and recovery of the ship. Why anyone would think that this interest is in any way disgusting is beyond me.

 

David.

 

 

I am also interested in how the removal is done, as I worked in the marine industry for 35 years. So where is the problem?

Regards.

I don't see that as a likely option either, given the timing of the removal and the cost involved. They will be welding caissons for buoyancy onto both sides of the ships which will may also make them unusable as well.

 

 

When doing any welding, the other side should be exposed down to the steel, so that there is no chance of starting a fire from the heat of the welding. So with that I would assume that they may do a lot of damage to the inside panels to accomplish that. Other than that, they may be able to just soak it down on the inside, but any burnable material will have to be soaked well.

Regards

Question: Is the senior officer on the bridge automatically in command upon arrival? Or does he have to be logged in and command handed over? (This assuming non-emergency situations.)

 

Regards

As Tonkas's Skipper suggests, it would be very foolish not to seal the hull, as there are still many contaminants on board. Even with most of the fuel being off loaded, there is still large quantities of lub oil and hydraulic oil still on board plus probably lots of other things not friendly to the environment.

 

Regards.

Vampire Parrot,

 

Who sets the standards for the Masters Certificate? I am sure that it is not employers/ship owners. But is it to international standards, country standards or insurance co standards?....please comment. Regards

Tonka .... The space required would be minimal for the inner hull and would be about 18 inches or so, maybe 2 feet, not a lot i agree but there is always a chance that it would help.

 

Sidari, I don't know if you have ever worked on a ship in a confined space, but when you have a void space on a ship, there are occasions when it has to be accessed. There are many reasons such as repair, cleaning, painting, initial assembly (welding) etc. Do you really think that one will be able to get around in an 18" - 2' deep space?

Regards.

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Also, newer doesn't necessarily mean safer in this case. Concordia is only 6 years old, and the Costa Fascinosa, in the same class which is being built currently will be made to the same safety standards as Concordia was 6 years ago.

 

I would not say that is necessarily correct. Too my limited knowledge, it would be Lloyd's (the insurers) that have the greatest say in the standards required, also there are International standards and the standards of the country of registration of the vessel.

 

I do stand to be corrected on the above. Regards.

If one wants to consider peace time disasters look at the "Empress of Ireland" http://www.pbs.org/lostliners/empress.html One of the greatest disasters of all, and mostly forgotten. Regards.