Rare pierces Posted August 29, 2008 #1 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Welcome to: C.C.P.I.C.S. Cruise Critics Photo Instruction and Creativity Series(No direct sponsorship by Cruise Critic or any employee therof.) This is an independent effort by the regular posting community on the Photo Discussion board to provide instruction to new photographers just getting their feet wet and inspiration to experienced shutterbugs. The original discussion thread is here if you want to take a look:http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=778546 Class 1: Introduce Yourself is still active, so feel free to post there too!http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=791007 Class 2: Rule of Thirds is still active as well!http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=791007 Class 3: Low-light Photography too!http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=824433 Class 4 - Using Filters Thanks again to those who have participated so far! This class is designed to give you some background on the subject of photographic filters. It, again, has a long intro with the background info and a brief description of the assignment. If you are part of the P&S crowd, don't despair! I have included info on using advanced filters with a compact camera (taking my own advice on that one!) for useful and interesting effects. The goal, as always, is better photos and this one concentrates on polarizers. You may have to spend some money on this one, but the cost is minimal and well worth it. Restrictions on the number of photos in a single post have again forced me to post the class introduction on my PPTPhoto.com site, so follow the link below and let's continue the adventure! Class 4 intro: http://www.pptphoto.com/ArticlePages/Class4.htm Happy shooting! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare pierces Posted August 29, 2008 Author #2 Share Posted August 29, 2008 No....you didn't miss 3 classes...I was struck by typelexia. *sigh* Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRoff Posted August 29, 2008 #3 Share Posted August 29, 2008 LOL. I am off to read your article, but I certainly did about 3 double takes. Larry...........woh has never done that in my lufe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy98mtu Posted August 29, 2008 #4 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Definitely need to get in on this one. I just finally got my Hoya Pro1 67mm for my 17-85 and 70-200. I'd like to get the 77mm for the 10-22, but that one was a lot more and I had to play the odds for what would get used more. I'll try to get some test shots with it. I've only used it once or twice so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinelyCruising Posted August 29, 2008 #5 Share Posted August 29, 2008 OK will check this out. :) I keep a UV Haze on the lens, and think I need to be able to learn more about AWB/Settings and enhancements with the Polarizing filter. Should be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-to-sea Posted August 30, 2008 #6 Share Posted August 30, 2008 First, I must consess to not following instructions. I did not go out and buy a polarizer filter. Before going digital, I used a Minolta XG-M manual-focus SLR with a Kiron 28-210 zoom. Since I have not been able to give it away, let alone sell it, it and all the accessories lives in a closet. In the bag are quite a few filters, including a polarizer. The only problem is that it is a 72mm dia. and my present camera is a 46mm dia. Undeterred, I went outside and took the first picture, then simply held the 72mm filter in front of the lens, rotated it by hand and took the second. Unfortunately, the EXIF data did not download with the pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRoff Posted August 30, 2008 #7 Share Posted August 30, 2008 c-to-sea's photos certainly demonstrates the effect of a polarizing filter, and bring to mind a question. Any one see any down side to using a step down ring for filters to fit different lens? I have a 77mm warming polarizer for my telephoto and just purchased a simple step down ring so it will fit the lens using 67 mm filters. That saves a good $120 and I don't see any issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedy Posted August 30, 2008 #8 Share Posted August 30, 2008 First, I must consess to not following instructions. I did not go out and buy apolarizer filter. Before going digital, I used a Minolta XG-M manual-focus SLR with a Kiron 28-210 zoom. Since I have not been able to give it away, let alone sell it, it and all the accessories lives in a closet. In the bag are quite a few filters, including a polarizer. The only problem is that it is a 72mm dia. and my present camera is a 46mm dia. Undeterred, I went outside and took the first picture, then simply held the 72mm filter in front of the lens, rotated it by hand and took the second. Unfortunately, the EXIF data did not download with the pics. Wow! :eek: The difference is ... wow! I've never used a polarized filter but the intensity of the blue in the 2nd shot is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinelyCruising Posted August 30, 2008 #9 Share Posted August 30, 2008 It sure is! The tree looks different too. What is the reference to rotating the filter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-to-sea Posted August 30, 2008 #10 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Polarizing filters are directional. The one I have rotates within the mounting ring. Others fit into a holder. Rotating the filter alters the light rays to get the effect. (see pierces's article in the intro above). If you have a pair of polarized sunglasses, hold them to the light and turn them 90 degress. You should see a change. In the above shots, the filter was not mounted so I just rotated it by hand while holding it against the camera lens. (Yes, I do use a UV filter to protect it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinelyCruising Posted August 30, 2008 #11 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Oh my...I am confused. Do these not screw in like the UV filter on to the lens? I have some fun filters that I last used with a film camera, and those filters did have a need to be used with a holder. I wonder what it was I ordered last night then....I was following instructions:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-to-sea Posted August 30, 2008 #12 Share Posted August 30, 2008 The only reason I hand-held my filter is that it is 72mm in diameter and my current camera only has a 46mm diameter lens. The filter did screw into my old SLR. Once screwed in, the glass part rotated within the screw ring to polarize. Since I don't see that I will be using a polarizer a lot, I can live with this arrangement for the time being. Maybe later I will invest in one the proper size for my Fuji Finepix S700. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinelyCruising Posted August 30, 2008 #13 Share Posted August 30, 2008 I see. Thank you for the better understanding.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRoff Posted September 1, 2008 #14 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Once again, I extend my thanks to Dave for taking the time to share his expertise. I was motivated to haul out the cameras to the airport where I figured things would be perfect for some pictures of little airplanes with a deep blue sky thanks to a polarizing filter. My experiments are here: http://www.pbase.com/roffee/filters I learned a lot, and need to add a regular polarizing filter to my bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare pierces Posted September 1, 2008 Author #15 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Once again, I extend my thanks to Dave for taking the time to share his expertise. I was motivated to haul out the cameras to the airport where I figured things would be perfect for some pictures of little airplanes with a deep blue sky thanks to a polarizing filter. My experiments are here: http://www.pbase.com/roffee/filters I learned a lot, and need to add a regular polarizing filter to my bag. First of all, I envy the plane! You were correct in assuming that a hazy sky isn't as susceptible to the benefits of a polarizer as a blue sky. There will be some effect, but not as much. In the movies, they often use a graduated blur filter to "fix" the hazy sky for wide shots. A note on polarizers and planes. Because of the nature of plastics, they are often somewhat polarized already. Using a polarizer through a Lexan window can give you anything from weird rainbow effects to patchy dark areas. Tourist planes sometimes have optical glass windows in the passenger area for photographers. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRoff Posted September 1, 2008 #16 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Thanks Dave, I gave up trying to use a polarizing filter through an airplane plastic window from experiences in my film days. Add a scratched and crazed old window and its a mess. As to plane envy, stop by Maryland sometime in your travels, and a photo flight is easy to do. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisetobeaches Posted September 1, 2008 #17 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Well, learned something here:rolleyes: wondered why my polarizer messed up my auto focus. I had been trying one that is at least 30 years old and evidently is linear. I bought a circular polarizer and it had made a world of difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare pierces Posted September 2, 2008 Author #18 Share Posted September 2, 2008 c-to-sea's photos certainly demonstrates the effect of a polarizing filter, and bring to mind a question. Any one see any down side to using a step down ring for filters to fit different lens? I have a 77mm warming polarizer for my telephoto and just purchased a simple step down ring so it will fit the lens using 67 mm filters. That saves a good $120 and I don't see any issues. Big filter to smaller lens = good Small filter to bigger lens = bad Your step-down to 67mm from 77mm should work fine. Well, learned something here:rolleyes: wondered why my polarizer messed up my auto focus. I had been trying one that is at least 30 years old and evidently is linear. I bought a circular polarizer and it had made a world of difference! Been there myself! Believe me when I say that circular polarizers weren't either widely available or cheap in 1986 when I got my first autofocus camera!:eek: Happy shooting! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare pierces Posted September 2, 2008 Author #19 Share Posted September 2, 2008 ...As to plane envy, stop by Maryland sometime in your travels, and a photo flight is easy to do. Larry Careful.... That kind of talk could get you a knock on the door! ;) Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRoff Posted September 3, 2008 #20 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Careful.... That kind of talk could get you a knock on the door! ;) Dave Hey, I'll trade an ariplane ride for a photo lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shancan911 Posted September 4, 2008 #21 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I have to re-read this lesson. Just didn't sink in the first time around. A question, we are doing a "leaf-peeping" cruise next month. Will I benefit from a polarizing filter? I shoot with an XTi. I have a UV filter on each lens, kit 17-55, 50mm 1.8, and 70-300. These aren't doing anything extrordinary for me, right? Just mainly "protection" for the lens? That's how I took it. Also, if you don't mind...a few ideas or examples of composition for some great foliage shots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare pierces Posted September 4, 2008 Author #22 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I have to re-read this lesson. Just didn't sink in the first time around. A question, we are doing a "leaf-peeping" cruise next month. Will I benefit from a polarizing filter? I shoot with an XTi. I have a UV filter on each lens, kit 17-55, 50mm 1.8, and 70-300. These aren't doing anything extrordinary for me, right? Just mainly "protection" for the lens? That's how I took it. Also, if you don't mind...a few ideas or examples of composition for some great foliage shots? A UV filter is commonly used for protection but it will help to reduce the effect of distance haze in scenics to some degree. As for fall colors with a polarizer...absolutely! the leaves retain some reflectivity when they turn and the polarizer will cut reflective glare and allow more color to show through. A warm polarizer (my personal favorite is the Hoya "Moose" Warm CPL) is highly recommended by the top nature photographers for enhancing reds, yellows and earth tones in fall scenics. As for composition...I, sadly, don't have any good examples since the only fall colors I have toured were in Alaska (link to Denali day) and the terrain is sooo different. In general, though, don't be afraid to break a few composition rules and just fill the frame with foliage. Fallen leaves on a stream bank or against contrasting earth or rock are more subject to rule-of-thirds and can be very striking. Take a tripod, find a rocky stream with leaves in and around it and take a long (1s or longer) exposure. Tele shots, perhaps with a house or lodge in it, straight up in a grove of trees, fallen carpet of leaves with only the trunks of the trees visible...Just go nuts! My favorite thing in a new photo environment is to walk a little off the beaten path, then turn around slowly looking up and down at everything and wait for a picture to hit me! We have booked a 13 day fall colors next year and I intend to wear out my camera on it! Consider yourself envied! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbevrn Posted September 8, 2008 #23 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Ok, I have an example. It is NOT a necessarily a picture of beauty, BUT I think a very good example anyway. I forgot my filters on our 1st port stop of Ketchikan. The Salmon were out and running in full force. It didn't take long for me to know I had to go back to the ship! This one was taken at aprrox 08:30 WITHOUT a filter. This one was taken right at one hour later WITH a filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare pierces Posted September 8, 2008 Author #24 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Ok, I have an example. It is NOT a necessarily a picture of beauty, BUT I think a very good example anyway. I forgot my filters on our 1st port stop of Ketchikan. The Salmon were out and running in full force. It didn't take long for me to know I had to go back to the ship! This one was taken at aprrox 08:30 WITHOUT a filter. This one was taken right at one hour later WITH a filter. Now there's an illustration! Way to go! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinelyCruising Posted September 8, 2008 #25 Share Posted September 8, 2008 My filter finally came today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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