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7 hours ago, christodan said:
Well well well. Just watched the 6 o'clock news. Strong words indeed by the investigator. NSW Health's actions have been described as a 'reprehensible shortcoming'. And he even said he was concerned that the NSW Health worker he was interviewing was being "misleading". Not sure what he was exactly referring to.
I think all those class actions against Princess will fail now.
Really?
Well we already knew from the transcript of the doctor's testimony that she failed to send the final log before disembarkation and didn't send it until the following day after NSW Health queried why some people that were swabbed weren't on the log at all.
Now according to ABC news on TV earlier tonight it would appear NSW Health assessed Ruby as low risk based on the old illness log which had lower figures than the actual figures whereas if the correct figures were reported it would have been in the medium risk category which would have mandated health officers boarding the ship to conduct extensive screening.
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If you read the transcripts it would appear that the doctor discussed the possibility of passengers having COVID-19 with them...
MR BEASLEY: Okay. Thank you for that. I just want to ask you just before we proceed on with what happened on the morning the ship docked in Sydney on the 19th of March. With Mr Londero and Mrs Bacon, they obviously knew that they’d been tested for influenza, correct?
DR VON WATZDORF: Yes.
MR BEASLEY: And they would have known that they’d tested negative for flu.
DR VON WATZDORF: Yes.
MR BEASLEY: And they would have been told that they were being swabbed or COVID-19.
DR VON WATZDORF: Yes.
MR BEASLEY: And did you have any discussions with them or did they ask you any questions about whether they may have COVID-19 disease?
DR VON WATZDORF: There would be the usual question, you know. You – we just don’t swab someone.
MR BEASLEY: No. Okay.
DR VON WATZDORF: We have a conversation so it would be a conversation. I could give you an example.
MR BEASLEY: Yes.
DR VON WATZDORF: It would be – so we’ve done the influenza swab – and this is, as I say, just an example – “We’ve done your influenza swab. It has come back negative. We are going to do another swab that we will keep for testing ashore once we reach Australia and this would be a swab that would include testing for COVID19”. Inevitably, the patient would then ask us, “Well, do you think I have it?”. And I would say – well – but that depends on the treating physician of course, right. I didn’t see every patient. But for my patients I would say, “Look, it always needs to be taken into consideration and we would take – you know, we would always err on the side of caution in this case, because you do have a fever. You do have an ILI or influenza-like illness which meets the case definition of potentially having it.”
MR BEASLEY: Do you have any independent recollection of having a conversation along those lines with either Mr Londero or Mrs Bacon about COVID19?
DR VON WATZDORF: I can – I seem to be able to recall having that conversation with both of them.
MR BEASLEY: All right.
DR VON WATZDORF: I wouldn’t just – because those swabs – we wouldn’t just swab someone and not have that conversation. It’s just ..... can I categorically say that I 100 per cent and have it recorded for you, no. But this is just the way I would approach my patients and the way I approached each of them.
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2 hours ago, christodan said:
"The article is correct in stating the 1st cruise was deemed medium risk, despite Princess apparently failing to declare any illness to NSW Health (they did declare to federal Dept of Agriculture though). The 2nd cruise was somehow inexplicably deemed low risk..."
The second cruise being classified as low risk is not "inexplicable" as Dr Chant from NSWHealth explained why they classified it so. I watched the news conference. It was to do with being below the threshold for a certain number being reported with flu like symptoms and other criteria. The first ship must have had a higher number of people with flu like symptoms (which obviously turned out to just be the flu) than the second one . Dr Chant admits in hindsight that they should not have deemed the ship low risk, but she stressed they did the correct thing at the time.
Really, I don't know why everyone is being so hard on everyone involved (especially a cruise company ) when scientists didn't understand the virus very well themselves.
The amount of ill disclosed were similar, more with high temperatures. The inexplicable, however, is that the global pandemic situation had advanced exponentially from the 1st cruise to the 2nd yet somehow the 2nd cruise is less riskier than the 1st?!?
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On 4/18/2020 at 8:18 AM, christodan said:
Interesting read. The title of the article is completely wrong of course. Other inaccuracies such as the ship was deemed medium risk is there. It was deemed low risk as I saw the Dr Chant from NSW health on TV say that herself.
But I am glad they are pointing out that people from the gov here are putting lives at risk by sending the ship out of Australian waters.
Also at the end of the article they would like to hear from anyone who knows more about this. It would be good if anyone who was on it gave their side of the story which could give more balance.
The article is correct in stating the 1st cruise was deemed medium risk, despite Princess apparently failing to declare any illness to NSW Health (they did declare to federal Dept of Agriculture though). The 2nd cruise was somehow inexplicably deemed low risk...
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A technical point, but you can sue a business name. However, this is generally only in the rare situation when you don't know which legal entity owns the business name (because the business name is not registered and you can't ascertain the entity via other avenues). When there's a registered business name you would sue the legal entity.
Ruby Princess - a media article worth reading
in Australia & New Zealand Cruisers
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Interesting documentary on Diamond Princess on NHK...
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/documentary/20200509/4001358/
Repeats are on again Sunday and I'd imagine will be on demand after that.