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  1. a captains decision is final at that point in the water what ever happens later ... happens later if he says they are searching a cabin they are ... if he says they are not ... they are not... they did approach the captain at the meet and greet about this and he said do not worry we will handle this ... thks was on day 4 or so so head of security again apologized and said they will do their best at this point a formal request to see CCTV is made awaiting for a formal decline all possible info is collected... have no idea to whom the claim can be made ... if ever ... you are right about the FBI ... will call them up ... seek their help .. i imagine they have other things ... much like NYPD if you call about theft ... eventually someone will question and cause more stress and make some report ... thank you everyone ...
  2. was trying to fix the readability of my post and i got: This comment can no longer be edited. It may have been moved or deleted, or too much time may have passed since it was posted for it to be edited. ­čśĽ and can no longer be edited ­čśĽ so here here it is... PS: I wanted to say my last post on here ... >But also rather dis-jointed, and perhaps´╗┐ ´╗┐posted in haste. yes it is true i am traveling on business ... now i have only my ipad ... posting this and replies from it ... sorry for formatting ... mom is on the ship and sent half a doze facebook messenger 1 minute recordings on this asking for advice ... as you might know WiFi is limited... it is best info i could put together ... yes a person can afford to get one good item/coat ... i shouldn't have ever mentioned the exact price ... as that put people on a hostile ... ================== my most important replies #1 i feel so bullied and bad needing to defend on here i didn't expect to be accused i shouldn't have posed i guess if it is not about merry good times... then it is not welcome on here OMG psychologically that is probably what it is it is like i would tell a patient that eating that cake full of sugar is bad for them while they were eating it ... and its their favorite cake ... which cruising is for many of us ... a blessed safe .. sacred experience ..... it should be i wanted to ask advice now i even though it might of have been good to share to give other heads up on any cruise .. anywhere ... but i wish i never did ================== #2 >gives the cruise line ´╗┐the ´╗┐right to´╗┐ search´╗┐ any´╗┐ cabin at any time´╗┐... exactly give a right ... but does not mandate for a search ... nor or mandate for any protocol to be followed and that is right - a captains decision is final so if it is not of greater convenience of the ship (and i understand it and respect that), the crew, the passengers a loss for one is acceptable over a loss for many so say they show my mom that other guests took the coat on CCTV my mom would request that they follow international law or US law and perhaps just perhaps it would require by law to put that guest behind bars on the ship for theft of (again approximately) $2000 + $2000 items how does that make NCL look? maybe even some newspaper would love to make a joke out of it ... or say tonight show... maybe just maybe that even opens them up to a lawsuit - because as you know there are dime a dozen (no wait for free) trigger happy lawyers ready to find a cause and take the case... to settle outside the courtroom... i am referring to seek compensation for a thief if are "mistreated" this reminds me of a story where a father stabbed a thief in his own house at night .... and was sentenced ... (they even said: sure if it was a missing child for instance it would be another case ... but this theft is best to just hope things turn up ) again i wasn't there i wish i heard and could post an audio recording of what exactly they told my mom if she even had it and it would be illegal probably for her to record or for me to post which makes me even wonder about this post ... so by trying to explain this ... i am begining to see and understand how complex this is ... it is better for NCL not to take any action because any action could make drama ... and the situation worse much worse for NCL ... hence what has happened ... my replies chronologically ================== ================== ================== at dear @CruiseGal999 >"I do not´╗┐´╗┐ believe´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐ you when you say that security can NOT view their OWN security footage. That is #1´╗┐ where this falls apart. ´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐" i never wrote that it was a misunderstanding / loss in what i meant / What you interpreted .... likely my mistake as i should have explained something like this in as much detail as i could what i meant was that my mom requested to see CCTV with them! but the declined this request the security watched this on their own my mother then made a formal request in writing and requested a formal reply in writing as to why not I am not sure i guess back home in much of US a victim can not just request to see CCTV a police officer / detective must ...? anyone knows the details do citizens have this right? i guess it must go though legal process.. well here is the thing CCTV would make it clear and clean #1 if my mom walked into a room with a coat #2 walked out with nothing #3 new guests come #4 my mom shows up - and the guests claim they do not know anything it would implicate them it would cause drama NCL or anyone wouldn't want drama they just want everything to be dandy on the sail ... or possibility B it shows a stewart walking out with the coats what then also drama so NCL quietly keeps this CCTV to them selves and no NYPD will likely not be allowed to see it will they? do citizens lose their rights on a cruise? ================== addressing 2nd and 3rd point: >Secondly, WHY would someone/anyone put their personal belongings in a cabin that was NOT their own cabin! That doesn't compute ... on any level´╗┐´╗┐.´╗┐" again i should have went into delicate details on this my mom and her friend waited on a pier were both hungry ... wanted to eat ASAP they found their cabin to be locked so they found ANY cabin that was not and made a BIG mistake - i guess thinking they were at a merry house party where everyone is your good neighbor ================== ================== @Flatbush Flyer >Two´╗┐(!) $2000 coats and they're on ´╗┐an NCL cruise? ­čĹÇ As mentioned by the previous poster, the entire ´╗┐story´╗┐ ´╗┐sounds bogus. ´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐ i didn't get the exact exact prices of each coat and prices yes i guess i should have somehow looked up the exact price for coat A and B all i know that it was ball park range so all people who are NCL can not afford a coat? ================== ================== @sloopsailor i wasn't there but i worked for many banks and we made errors in millions and millions of dollars all the time just like say a self driven car can make a mistake ... humans make errors humans who program machines make errors machines make errors exceptions can happen all the time... i wish i knew why their door was locked or what the exact reason was .. i wasn't there ... ================== ================== @John Bull thank you thank you dear John Bull yes i wasn't there but then none of us were .. i am missing exact details .. but i was just curious of general advice what can be done what should be done legally morally ethically >And´╗┐ on the matter of "we're not ´╗┐permitted to view our CCTV", ´╗┐´╗┐ again i didn't write that i wrote that >mom´╗┐ ´╗┐asked to review the CCTV (with them) but security said it is not that ´╗┐simple ´╗┐as it is in US meaning they have their own rules a passenger is not allowed to see CCTV or you might be right that section was off / full / cam broken / on hold / in port / HD maintenance ... etc ... a dozen or two other reasons when you are running hundreds or thousand+ cameras ... i wouldn't be surprised ================== ================== @CruiseGal999 my mother sailed many times and never had a problem and was under the impression i guess that it is one good house party on top of that a secure house party with CCTV - apparently worthless with security - who are also apparently worthless - who in a long talk confessed that even if they did find the perpetrator law would forbid them from taking direct action ... lawsuit might arise ... ================== she would not leave say her phone or rings or other valuables but a huge huge coat ================== i feel so bullied and bad needing to defend on here i didn't expect to be accused i shouldn't have posed i guess if it is not about merry good times... then it is not welcome on here OMG psychologically that is probably what it is it is like i would tell a patient that eating that cake full of sugar is bad for them while they were eating it ... and its their favorite cake ... which cruising is for many of us ... a blessed safe .. sacred experience ..... it should be i wanted to ask advice now i even though it might of have been good to share to give other heads up on any cruise .. anywhere ... but i wish i never did ================== ================== @chengkp75 >This´╗┐ is truly where the story doesn't hold water. Not only Bahamian law, but international maritime law, and even the cruise line ticket contract, gives the cruise´╗┐ line the right to search any cabin at any time, with or without the passenger's consent or knowledge. ´╗┐´╗┐ ================== My reply: yes exactly a captains decision is final so if it is not of greater convenience of the ship (and i understand it and respect that), the crew, the passengers a loss for one is acceptable over a loss for many so say they show my mom that other guests took the coat on CCTV my mom would request that they follow international law or us law and perhaps just perhaps it would require by law to put that guest behind bars for theft of (again approximately) $2000 + $2000 items how does that make NCL look maybe just maybe that even opens them up to a lawsuit - because as you know there are dime a dozen (no wait for free) trigger happy lawyers ready to find a cause and take the case... to settle outside the courtroom... (they even said: sure if it was a missing child for instance it would be another case) again i wasn't there i wish i heard and could post an audio recording of what exactly they told my mom if she even had it and it would be illegal probably for her to record or for me to post so by trying to explain this ..m i am begining to see and understand how complex this is ... it is better not to take any action because any action could make the situation worse much worse for NCL ================== but thank you for the info on >Finally´╗┐, crimes against US citizens, while on a foreign flag cruise ship, while the ship ´╗┐is in US waters or in international waters, must be reported to the FBI, and the´╗┐ ´╗┐US´╗┐ ´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐has claimed extra-territorial jurisdiction over these crimes.´╗┐´╗┐ ================== @ Flatbush Flyer >But´╗┐, ´╗┐everyone does have to admit that even the "well-to-do" probably wouldn't have/take a $2k coat on a cruise ship mostly populated by very very budget-conscious folks.´╗┐´╗┐ friend was visiting NYC from Europe - it is cold - yes with a good coat and cruise is just part of it so sorry that they picked a cheap cruise on which they can not go on with best coats they had ================== @capriccio >Wow´╗┐, I am used to your condescending comments about mass market cruise lines, but can you get any more insulting by implying that 'very budget-conscious' folks are more likely to steal from their fellow passengers? Or maybe you are saying the 'well-to-do' wouldn't want to make the rest of the passengers feel bad? Either case is a new low.´╗┐ thank you thank you ================== @George C thank you ================== >But I guess the first few responses have put them off. Possibly´╗┐ for life.:classic_sad: yes yes thank you ================== @clskinsfan >Maybe the coats will magically reappear at some point. After´╗┐´╗┐ all IF their neighbors have the coats it is not like they can go walking around the ship with them on. but apparently nothing prevents those folks from walking out with them in their cases no on can or will search them ==================
  3. also keep in mind somone might come back start reading replies and be pulled away for work for an hour or two or 6 and then fall asleep from exhaustion ... but do not think i can sleep well after replies like this shocking and sad
  4. so sad to hear this from what i thought w..... they know - and so does anyone that thinks that there is CCTV on there why would anyone do it on CCTV on a ship on a secure ship on the first day! what you suggesting - i can not imagine but best is to just say they were mugged on a street of NYC without a CCTV!
  5. i was shocked reading replies like this and trying to stay collected replying
  6. >But also rather dis-jointed, and perhaps´╗┐ ´╗┐posted in haste. yes it is true i am traveling on business ... now i have only my ipad ... posting this and replies from it ... mom is on the ship and posted a doze facebook messenger 1 minute recording on this asking for advice ... it is best nfo i could put together ... ================== at dear @CruiseGal999 >"I do not´╗┐´╗┐ believe´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐ you when you say that security can NOT view their OWN security footage. That is #1´╗┐ where this falls apart. ´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐" i never wrote that it was a misunderstanding / loss in what i meant / What you interpreted .... likely my mistake as i should have explained something like this in as much detail as i could what i meant was that my mom requested to see CCTV with them! but the declined this request the security watched this on their own my mother then made a formal request in writing and requested a formal reply in writing as to why not I am not sure i guess back home in much of US a victim can not just request to see CCTV a police officer / detective must ...? anyone knows the details do citizens have this right? i guess it must go though legal process.. well here is the thing CCTV would make it clear and clean #1 if my mom walked into a room with a coat #2 walked out with nothing #3 new guests come #4 my mom shows up - and the guests claim they do not know anything it would implicate them it would cause drama NCL or anyone wouldn't want drama they just want everything to be dandy on the sail ... or possibility B it shows a stewart walking out with the coats what then also drama so NCL quietly keeps this CCTV to them selves and no NYPD will likely not be allowed to see it will they? do citizens lose their rights on a cruise? ================== addressing 2nd and 3rd point: >Secondly, WHY would someone/anyone put their personal belongings in a cabin that was NOT their own cabin! That doesn't compute ... on any level´╗┐´╗┐.´╗┐" again i should have went into delicate details on this my mom and her friend waited on a pier were both hungry ... wanted to eat ASAP they found their cabin to be locked so they found ANY cabin that was not and made a BIG mistake - i guess thinking they were at a merry house party where everyone is your good neighbor ================== ================== @Flatbush Flyer >Two´╗┐(!) $2000 coats and they're on ´╗┐an NCL cruise? ­čĹÇ As mentioned by the previous poster, the entire ´╗┐story´╗┐ ´╗┐sounds bogus. ´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐ i didn't get the exact exact prices of each coat and prices yes i guess i should have somehow looked up the exact price for coat A and B all i know that it was ball park range so all people who are NCL can not afford a coat? ================== ================== @sloopsailor i wasn't there but i worked for many banks and we made errors in millions and millions of dollars all the time just like say a self driven car can make a mistake ... humans make errors humans who program machines make errors machines make errors exceptions can happen all the time... i wish i knew why their door was locked or what the exact reason was .. i wasn't there ... ================== ================== @John Bull thank you thank you dear John Bull yes i wasn't there but then none of us were .. i am missing exact details .. but i was just curious of general advice what can be done what should be done legally morally ethically >And´╗┐ on the matter of "we're not ´╗┐permitted to view our CCTV", ´╗┐´╗┐ again i didn't write that i wrote that >mom´╗┐ ´╗┐asked to review the CCTV (with them) but security said it is not that ´╗┐simple ´╗┐as it is in US meaning they have their own rules a passenger is not allowed to see CCTV or you might be right that section was off / full / cam broken / on hold / in port / HD maintenance ... etc ... a dozen or two other reasons when you are running hundreds or thousand+ cameras ... i wouldn't be surprised ================== ================== @CruiseGal999 my mother sailed many times and never had a problem and was under the impression i guess that it is one good house party on top of that a secure house party with CCTV - apparently worthless with security - who are also apparently worthless - who in a long talk confessed that even if they did find the perpetrator law would forbid them from taking direct action ... lawsuit might arise ... ================== she would not leave say her phone or rings or other valuables but a huge huge coat ================== i feel so bullied and bad needing to defend on here i didn't expect to be accused i shouldn't have posed i guess if it is not about merry good times... then it is not welcome on here OMG psychologically that is probably what it is it is like i would tell a patient that eating that cake full of sugar is bad for them while they were eating it ... and its their favorite cake ... which cruising is for many of us ... a blessed safe .. sacred experience ..... it should be i wanted to ask advice now i even though it might of have been good to share to give other heads up on any cruise .. anywhere ... but i wish i never did i will likely ask legally for CC to remove this ================== ================== @chengkp75 >This´╗┐ is truly where the story doesn't hold water. Not only Bahamian law, but international maritime law, and even the cruise line ticket contract, gives the cruise´╗┐ line the right to search any cabin at any time, with or without the passenger's consent or knowledge. ´╗┐´╗┐ yes exactly a captains decision is final so if it is not of greater convenience of the ship (and i understand it and respect that), the crew, the passengers a loss for one is acceptable over a loss for many so say they show my mom that other guests took the coat on CCTV my mom would request that they follow international law or us law and perhaps just perhaps it would require by law to put that guest behind bars for theft of (again approximately) $2000 + $2000 items how does that make NCL look maybe just maybe that even opens them up to a lawsuit - because as you know there are dime a dozen (no wait for free) trigger happy lawyers ready to find a cause and take the case... to settle outside the courtroom... (they even said: sure if it was a missing child for instance it would be another case) again i wasn't there i wish i heard and could post an audio recording of what exactly they told my mom if she even had it and it would be illegal probably for her to record or for me to post so by trying to explain this ..m i am begining to see and understand how complex this is ... it is better not to take any action because any action could make the situation worse much worse ================== but thank you for the info on >Finally´╗┐, crimes against US citizens, while on a foreign flag cruise ship, while the ship ´╗┐is in US waters or in international waters, must be reported to the FBI, and the´╗┐ ´╗┐US´╗┐ ´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐´╗┐has claimed extra-territorial jurisdiction over these crimes.´╗┐´╗┐ ================== @ Flatbush Flyer >But´╗┐, ´╗┐everyone does have to admit that even the "well-to-do" probably wouldn't have/take a $2k coat on a cruise ship mostly populated by very very budget-conscious folks.´╗┐´╗┐ friend was visiting NYC from Europe - it is cold - yes with a good coat and cruise is just part of it so sorry that they picked a cheap cruise on which they can not go on with best coats they had ================== @capriccio >Wow´╗┐, I am used to your condescending comments about mass market cruise lines, but can you get any more insulting by implying that 'very budget-conscious' folks are more likely to steal from their fellow passengers? Or maybe you are saying the 'well-to-do' wouldn't want to make the rest of the passengers feel bad? Either case is a new low.´╗┐ thank you thank you ================== @George C thank you ================== >But I guess the first few responses have put them off. Possibly´╗┐ for life.:classic_sad: yes yes thank you ================== @clskinsfan >Maybe the coats will magically reappear at some point. After´╗┐´╗┐ all IF their neighbors have the coats it is not like they can go walking around the ship with them on. but apparently nothing prevents those folks from walking out with them in their cases no on can or will search them ==================
  7. hi my dear Cruise Critic family ... happy holidays. ­čÖé we need your help - please be so kind to advise: my mother and her friend are on board of NCL ship sailed out of NYC upon boarding they made a mistake and put their coats into cabin next to theirs as theirs was locked they went to eat upon return they found their expensive coats ~$2000 each to be missing ­čśĽ new people inside the cabin said they do not know anything and were not permitted to check ... security was called ... and tried to mediate ... mediate my mom asked to review the CCTV but security said it is not that simple as it in US ... they sail and are governed under Bahama flag ... so somethibg prevents them from doing that ... they made a formal request in writing and are awaiting for a formal reply security / personnel sympathized with them and are trying to comfort them by saying do not worry, mayne they will turn up... but said that they are not able to search a cabin, but even if they did and found it they are not able to do anything under the law ... regulations .. restrictions ... legal aspect ... what would you do? what could be done? please be so kind to advise ... thank you ...
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