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ETA to keep on topic-

 

Do cruiselines sell e-cigs?

They are on RCL

I, for one, don't see an issue with e-cigs on balconies or anywhere outdoors. They are far better than regular cigarettes as far as both the user and second hand impacts are concerned. I don't believe that they should be used in inside, public space, or in any inside space that might be ventilated into other inside space.

 

If they were only being used by current smokers that have converted to e-cigs to improve their health I would support a fairly easy policy.

 

However with the e-cig companies designing their advertising to appeal to non-smokers, especially young non-smokers, and the amount of ads saying that the output is only water vapor and totally ignoring some of the issues I am not opposed to the stricter policies. Since most e-cigs fluids contain nicotine and since nicotine is just as addictive in e-cigs as in regular cigaretter I do not want to see a new generation of non-smokers trying and getting addicted to e-cigs.

I totally agree with you.:)

Try HAL, I believe they allow e-cigarettes to be smoked in the staterooms and they allow regular cigarettes on the balcony, so I don't know why they wouldn't allow e-cigarettes.

 

SMOKING POLICY

For the comfort of all of our guests, all staterooms (cabins),

showrooms and most other indoor areas are designated nonsmoking.

While smoking is not permitted in staterooms,

guests are allowed to smoke on stateroom verandahs. Smoking

is also permitted on certain other designated, outside decks.

The designated smoking areas for all ships are as follows

unless otherwise noted.

• Stateroom verandahs

• Casino (Active players only)

• Seaview Bar

• Outside Decks

ºº Sports Deck

 

ººObservation Deck (

ms Prinsendam, ms Eurodam,

ms Nieuw Amsterdam, ms Noordam, ms Oosterdam,

ms Westerdam

, and ms Zuiderdam only)

areas of the ship other than on outside decks designated as

smoking areas.

Cigar and pipe smoking is not allowed anywhere inside the

ship; it is only permitted on the outside decks where smoking

is otherwise allowed and on stateroom verandahs. Electronic

cigarettes are permitted in staterooms but not in other public

Thank you for the information.

Try a suite on Costa ex Miami - suite level is excellent on Costa - 10 day cruises out of Miami to the Caribbean - ecigs on balcony, inside cabin - and in the designated smoking areas. Costa's drinks package alone is worth it - $20 pppd for all inclusive ;) - ex Miami lot of USAers on board - different experience from that in Europe . Keep an open mind - we have done lots of costa cruises - surprises us all the time!

Thank you I will check on Costa,

I am not a person that enjoys large crowds. Because of that I cancelled a suite on RCL after their e-cig policy, then booked suite with Carnival and cancelled it after their e-cig policy. Luckily I hadn't gotten around to booking NCL yet. I am a cruiser that spends hours sitting on my balcony reading a book and enjoying the quiet. I do not blow large clouds of vapor, nor do I use nicotine. With this policy the reason I cruise is being changed, so I will cruise no more.:(

I was dozing off on the serenity deck on the Magic not so long ago and kept getting a whiff of a weird odor. (No, I can't describe it. Not sweet, not smoky. But not pleasant.) it was just...weird. It was intermittent and enough to make me open my eyes, sit up and look around for the source. Lady at next lounger was using an e-cigarette. I simply moved. But yeah. At least one of them has an odor.

Yes, some do have a slight odor based on the flavor they use.

Except for every other Carnival Corp brand....

 

Princess – Vaping permitted in the cabin and designated smoking areas, but not on the balcony

 

Seabourn - Vaping permitted in the cabin, in designated smoking areas, and on some ships, on the balcony

 

Holland America, Cunard, P&O, Costa, AiDA- Vaping permitted in the cabin, in designated smoking areas, and on the balcony

 

So then why is Carnival’s policy (after 9 Oct 2014) – Vaping not permitted in the cabin or on the balcony and only in designated smoking areas.

 

I feel the love. I guess they care more about us than the other Carnival Corp lines (Princess, Seabourn, HAL, Cunard, P&O, Costa, AiDA).

Princess allows vaping everywhere except MDR and theater shows.

Thats all well and good, but others should not be exposed to something that we know so little about.

 

My pulmonologist has advised me to give up vaping. So your Dr says vaping is safe. Go figure. What would your Dr. do if you sat in the waiting room vaping? Then sat in the office during your check up blowing vapor in his/her face? Willing to bet it would not be allowed.

 

We can sit here and argue whether it is safe or not to vape, but here are the unarguable facts.

 

• We do not know the ingredients used in e-juice that others are vaping.
   
  
• We do not know the affects of heating up these ingredients.
   
  
• Artificial flavoring has many many many components which the FDA does not require to be listed on an ingredients list.
  

 

Bottom line, we do not know what is in the vapor being exhaled out of someones mouth after inhaling an e-cig. To expose others to our vapor is not only rude but also reckless.

Just to answer your questions: I do vape in my doctors waiting room and I do vape in his office. He did the medical research prior to allowing it. My doctor did advise my husband to reduce his nicotine level due to his high blood pressure.

Bottom line is that we do not know what is being exhaled from anyone's mouth, not just vapors.

Only fair to add: my doctor vapes after many years of smoking, he recommends it to all of his smoking patients.

DING DING DING!!! We have a winner!!! We do not know what is in the juice people vape.

 

Here is a more accurate look at artificial flavoring:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor

I will agree that we do not know what is in everything we eat, drink, vape, breath, etc. Unless we decide to live in a bubble we will always be exposed to the unknown. Today it is the flavoring in ecigs, tomorrow it is the chemical's to make perfume smell, or beer taste like beer. I chose to live my life based on my feeling of wellbeing and my doctor's advise, both say vaping is fine and to enjoy it. :D I also want to add that as someone with Crohns I worry more about what I eat than what I breath, maybe the flavoring in all my food caused my Crohns.

http://toyourgoodhealthradio.com/artificial-strawberry-flavoring-contains-50-different-chemicals/

So that list is for the strawberry flavoring used in milkshakes, unknown if used in candy or e-cig juice.

Who likes strawberry flavored e-juice? Here is what is in JUST the strawberry flavoring:

 

amyl acetate,

amyl butyrate,

amyl valerate,

anethol,

anisyl formate,

benzyl acetate,

benzyl isobutyrate,

butyric acid,

cinnamyl isobutyrate,

cinnamyl valerate,

cognac essential oil,

diacetyl,

dipropyl ketone,

ethyl acetate,

ethyl amyl ketone,

ethyl butyrate,

ethyl cinnamate,

ethyl heptanoate,

ethyl heptylate,

ethyl lactate,

ethyl methylphenylglycidate,

ethyl nitrate,

ethyl propionate,

ethyl valerate,

heliotropin,

hydroxyphenyl-2-butanone (10 percent solution in alcohol),

a-ionone,

isobutyl anthranilate,

isobutyl butyrate,

lemon essential oil,

maltol,

4-methylacetophenone,

methyl anthranilate,

methyl benzoate,

methyl cinnamate,

methyl heptine carbonate,

methyl naphthyl ketone,

methyl salicylate,

mint essential oil,

neroli essential oil,

nerolin,

neryl isobutyrate,

orris butter,

phenethyl alcohol,

rose,

rum ether,

g-undecalactone,

vanillin, and

solvent.

 

Who knows how healthy any of that stuff is and then add heating it up and vaporizing it and the health consequences from doing so.

Please share where this information came from. I know the flavoring used in e-cig juice is the same as candy flavoring and if this is true then we really should ban kids and powdered candy. :eek:

Who likes strawberry flavored e-juice? Here is what is in JUST the strawberry flavoring:

 

amyl acetate,

amyl butyrate,

amyl valerate,

anethol,

anisyl formate,

benzyl acetate,

benzyl isobutyrate,

butyric acid,

cinnamyl isobutyrate,

cinnamyl valerate,

cognac essential oil,

diacetyl,

dipropyl ketone,

ethyl acetate,

ethyl amyl ketone,

ethyl butyrate,

ethyl cinnamate,

ethyl heptanoate,

ethyl heptylate,

ethyl lactate,

ethyl methylphenylglycidate,

ethyl nitrate,

ethyl propionate,

ethyl valerate,

heliotropin,

hydroxyphenyl-2-butanone (10 percent solution in alcohol),

a-ionone,

isobutyl anthranilate,

isobutyl butyrate,

lemon essential oil,

maltol,

4-methylacetophenone,

methyl anthranilate,

methyl benzoate,

methyl cinnamate,

methyl heptine carbonate,

methyl naphthyl ketone,

methyl salicylate,

mint essential oil,

neroli essential oil,

nerolin,

neryl isobutyrate,

orris butter,

phenethyl alcohol,

rose,

rum ether,

g-undecalactone,

vanillin, and

solvent.

 

Who knows how healthy any of that stuff is and then add heating it up and vaporizing it and the health consequences from doing so.

So make sure your kid never eats strawberry flavored candy, especially the powdered kind.

I just use PG and VG in my e-cig, no odor.

Sorry but IMHO it is still a form of SMOKING. It should not be allowed. I say no it should not be allowed in cabins or any where else. You are still blowing you "vapors" in some ones space.

It is not smoking and I can vape right beside you and you will never know.:)

I voted everywhere. After 3+ years of vaping, rapidly improving pulmonary function test improvement, now able to run and play with my grandchild, I DO NOT want to be exposed to cigarette smoke. I am a FF/Paramedic and I have read numerous studies. I do not trust the FDA to tell me what is or is not safe. Too may people have died due to Chantex for me to trust them. I have annual pulmonary function tests and chest x-rays for my job and they show the good things vaping has done for me. I agree cigarette smoke stinks. I have greatly improved my health and I WILL NOT allow anyone to make me stand in a group of smokers so that I can vape. I cancelled numerous cruises with RCI when they passed this policy and I will do the same with Carnival. I will stick with Princess from now on.

At Walt Disney World, the use of eCigs has been limited to designated smoking areas, as well. The reasoning is to avoid confusion between if it is a real cigarette or not and also to avoid a guest situation. If a Cast Member is in a safety critical position and unable to leave their position or be at risk of termination from The Walt Disney Company, the likelihood of someone saying something is very minimal. Said Cast Member will have to call Control and ask for one of their coordinators or leaders to call them back. By the time one gets there, the guest is gone or they are finished. If the CM is taking over a position that is not safety critical, it is at their discretion if they choose to say something or not. For most, it isn't worth fighting with a guest over and filling out witness statements.

I have used my e-cig (which looks nothing like a cigarette) all over Disney and have never had anyone say anything to me. That being said, I do not vape in lines, restaurant's, or in the middle of any crowd.

I don't understand the reason for including e-cigs! :confused:

Note that the Princess policy says that you can use them in non-smoking areas UNLESS another guest complains. At which point you would have to stop.

 

I consider the Princess policy to not be very good because it creates uncertainty and creates very large potential for conflict.

 

A better policy, that would be good based up facts, would be to allow e-cigs in all out door spaces, including balconies, in inside smoking areas, and inside staterooms, but not in other inside common areas.

 

That would remove the issue of impact on air quality in inside space except for the persons own cabin. Since e-cigs do not carry the problem of odor residue in cabins (the biggiest problem with allowing smoking in staterooms) the only person affected air quality there is the user and other members of their party.

There is still some potential of nicotine on the surfaces impacting later guests, but the health impact is probably minimal.

Your post has merit, but at least Princess is trying to accommodate vapors. No one is going to confuse my mod for a cigarette, cigar, or pipe.

But as you know, realistically, you can vape in your cabin or even on your balcony all you want, and no one will know. I have a very sensitive nose and when a patient of mine demoed his "device" I smelled nothing, zero, zilch. There was no residual odor either. And the vapor dissipated very rapidly, it didn't float near the ceiling like real smoke.

 

True you won't be able to use it out in public.

I know that I can. The problem is I won't. I am a rule follower, even when I think the rule is without merit. I think putting the explanation of vape vs smoke on the vapor is well worth the ability to use my e-cig, and I can probability explain it better than a crew member.

I hope they do change the policy on e-cigs. I having been quit smoking and using an e-cig for 4 years. I know I am a lot healthier because of it. I have postponed booking my next cruise waiting on Royal to "review" the e-cig policy. If it is not changed I guess I will be doing my future cruising with Princess and their "adult" policy on e-cigs.

http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/Files/publichealth/ms08.pdf

This is one of several recent studies on the effect of vapor from e-cigs on others. The vapor dissipates within 4-10 seconds. Cigarette smoke takes 20-30 minutes to leave the area. E-cigs do often have an odor of the flavor being used. The nicotine in an e-cig is absorbed and not released in the vapor. This study says it is safer to breathe in a room full of vapors than in a normal large city. I think the issue is enforcement. Explaining to non-smokers the difference between an e-cig and a real cigarette could take up a lot of the crews time. That is why Princess's policy is a good one. It leaves it up to the user of the e-cig to explain, not the crew.

It's funny how these smoking threads always end up going in the same direction........lol.

I highly doubt that they are going to escort anyone off the ship for a 1st violation. Maybe if you are caught constantly smoking on your balcony they might give you the boot. Probably 1st a warning, 2nd a $250 cleaning fee and then maybe the boot on the 3rd time.

A friend was on a cruise shortly after the cabin ban was put into place. The cabin steward warned her about 4 times and finally told her to keep the ashtray on the balcony. She was never fined. I DO NOT approve of her actions, but I really don't expect the cruise line to enforce the new policy anymore than their other of their unenforced policies..

Not sure what that means. Smoking bans on balconies starts in 2014. We are leaving this Friday:eek: But thanks for the input

Just me being a smart a**! Congrats and enjoy your upgrade!

Thank the smoker than canceled their cruise.;)

Well Celebrity recently announced that they consider their ships smoke free environments. But because they know some of their guests smoke they will allow smoking only in designated outdoor spots.

 

When they say smoke free they include e-cigs. Fines of $250 will be placed on your onboard account for violating their policy.

 

Disney, Cunard and Royal Caribbean have also recently made major changes toward nonsmoking (including e-cigs) ships

 

This is what I mean by smoke free cruise lines.

 

You use the term completely nonsmoking. Limiting smoking to only a couple of out of the way outdoor spots seems smoke free to me.

Unless something has changed in the last 2 months or so, Disney allows e-cigs everywhere both in their parks and on their ships.