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  1. I'm afraid the figures DO lie. And the number of deaths is NOT a "known concrete number". This article from the Financial Times on 26 April refers... Global coronavirus death toll could be 60% higher than reported: https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c Also, as pcakes122 has posted above, the cruise lines did not require passengers to report to them if they had contracted the virus. Thus, the figures on cruise ships are under-reported: both on the number of people who contracted the virus and those that then went on to die from it.
  2. Thank-you for your very informative post. You raise some important points: 1)Despite all the extra precautions both you and NCL took, you still got the virus. 2) The cruise lines did not advise the CDC of cases such as yours because you were not required to tell them. So there are many many more cruise passengers who picked up Covid 19 on board and the "official" figures are thus totally under reported. 3) Taking of temperature is no guarantee that a person does not have Covid-19
  3. No other serious diseases in our lifetime have caused borders to be closed worldwide. These are unprecedented times. The cruise lines will not be able to be profitable without a vaccine. They had no problem operating during SARS/MERS so the difference is clear.
  4. I will only cruise again once there is a vaccine available and when proof of the vaccine is required for all on board - both crew and passengers. Too many people have been caught unable to disembark as a result of a Covid 19 outbreak on a ship. If only (say) 40% of passengers are vaccinated, there could still be an outbreak onboard. The vaccine is for the safety of all. I just don't think the cruise lines are going to be profitable sailing at 50% capacity so that social distancing can take place. They need the numbers on board and they will only get that once a vaccine is available.
  5. Exactly - we need to be able to ease the shutdowns. And even if everyone was shutdown till May 9 in New York, I still don't believe there would be ZERO deaths.
  6. The worrisome thing is that you actually believe this. The CDC has a totally different view: https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/content/news/CDC-predicts-another-coronavirus-battle-in-the-winter-569668081.html Why would anyone be working on a vaccine if the models you quote are correct?
  7. I agree with you 100% Common sense is not doom and gloom.
  8. Where will any ship be able to cruise to? Perhaps a cruise for 3 days to nowhere? There are still ships with passengers on board: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article241929131.html The cruise lines are still trying to repatriate crew amid this crisis. I'm glad that you put "reality" in inverted commas.
  9. Great that NCL is helping the crew with repatriation - thanks for that TrumpyNor
  10. Thanks but I have seen that article and it doesn't answer my question but this CNN article is very informative: "Cruise ships in principle look like a building, so their air conditioning systems are similar to those in buildings," says Qingyan Chen. "There's nothing wrong with that in normal circumstances, but with a viral outbreak that's a problem, because the filters they use don't block viruses." That means that the ventilation systems may have spread the virus from one cabin to the next, by recirculating contaminated air that contained tiny droplets expelled by sneezing or coughing passengers." https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/airplane-cruise-hygiene-future/index.html In other words cruise ships don't use HEPA filters as planes do.
  11. Thanks so much chengkp75 for your very informative post. At least if the crew is not able to get home they at least get paid something. I really do feel for them. So many people struggling through this pandemic.
  12. Thank-you for your post. You raise some interesting points with regards to the crew on cruise ships: 1) Most cruise ship crew are stuck on their ships for the indefinite future. As many of the crew are paid via the tips passengers are required to pay as part of their cruise fare, I wonder how the crew are now being remunerated? 2) What will happen to crew who have reached the statutory work limit and cannot get home? I think on cruise ships, many crew sign up for 7 month contracts so it is even less than the Merchant ship limit of 11 months. Will they just stay on the ship and not get any pay? I can imagine this is a dilemma for both the crew and cruise lines.
  13. Modern planes use HEPA filters not HVAC. Here is an article that explains this: https://www.iata.org/contentassets/f1163430bba94512a583eb6d6b24aa56/cabin-air-quality.pdf Per Q3 of the FAQ's: Q3: What is the smallest particle size that the cabin air filter element can remove? Air filters can remove very small particles such as bacteria and viruses. Virtually all viruses and bacteria are removed; even the most difficult particles in the range of 0.1 to 0.3 micron are filtered out with an efficiency level of of 99.995%. Contrary to popular belief, very small particles below 0.1 micron are easily filtered out by the mechanism of diffusional interception. So, in a nutshell, the air quality on a plane is better than on a ship - happy for anyone with more knowledge on this to assist?
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