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Costa rejects any blame placed its way.
This is just one of 3 articles I saw on the subject.
Yes -- Costa denies the findings of the court experts in respect to the company but notice that Roberto Ferrarini, head of crisis management got the axe -- Ferrarini is the one the experts say should have ordered Schettino to sound the emergency signal much earlier. There are published recorded conversations by the Italian media between Ferrarini and the Coast Guard that are pretty lame and make RF sound like he is totally clueless or hiding something! I don't think Costa and Carnival Corp are going to be totally off the hook on this one.
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Italy: Court Experts Broaden Blame in Cruise Ship Wreck Beyond Captain
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: September 13, 2012
Court-appointed experts said the captain was primarily to blame for the deadly cruise ship accident that killed 32 people in January, but they also faulted the crew and the shipowner for blunders, delays and security breaches that contributed to the disaster. The ship, the Costa Concordia, ran aground and capsized off the Tuscan island of Giglio after Capt. Francesco Schettino took it off course in a stunt. He is accused of causing the shipwreck, manslaughter and abandoning the ship before all passengers were evacuated. [/color][/b]Eight other people are also under investigation. The experts said crew members bungled directions, did not understand orders and were not trained or certified in security and emergency drills. They said the ship’s owner, Costa Crociere, delayed alerting coastal authorities about the emergency, an assertion the company denied.
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Be on the look out for any reports that Schitino is taking Chinese or Japanese lessons.............:eek:
Not so sure Foschi would want the man who cost him his job following him to the other end of the world. Foschi does have Asian experience as VP of Otis Elevator. Maybe he'll be able to provide some insight to the families of the dead who were trapped in the Costa Concordia elevators. :mad:
his (Foshi's) experience as executive vice president of Pacific Asia operations for the Otis Elevator Company -
Former CEO of Costa, Pier Luigi Foschi now on "special assignment" in Asia. The Asian fleet consists of 3 ships.. :eek: ...funny how the press releases disguise the "demotion".
Currently, Carnival Corp.'s Asia operations include two Costa ships based in China and Singapore and a Princess ship scheduled to launch a series of voyages from Japan next spring."Pier is the ideal candidate for this new role and considering that his responsibilities at Costa are winding down, we are delighted that he agreed to oversee our growth strategies in this emerging cruise region," he added.http://www.equities.com/news/news-headline-story?dt=2012-09-12&val=471059&d=1&cat=headline
http://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Foschi-takes-on-new-role-at-Carnival-Corp-/
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CT, this sums it up...
"The panel of experts ruled that there was "an almost complete omission of the entire sequence of (emergency) messages that should have been expected".
Passengers were left unaware of the gravity of the situation and were not told to put on their life jackets, the report said."
Correct -- that's what the report points out. It also stresses that too much time was wasted before the emergency signal was sounded.
On another note, the former chaplain of the Concordia, Gianluca Depretto is being investigated for the theft of over a dozen paintings of 16th and 17th century Flemish painters. He was caught trying to pawn them for about 90,000 euros each. :eek:
http://www.ilmessaggero.it/primopiano/cronaca/genova_concordia_cappellano/notizie/219144.shtml
A reckless captain and a thief for a priest doesn't bode too well for Carnival Corp. Hopefully Costa has revisited their seriously flawed employee screening process and made necessary changes -- across the board -- albeit too late for the onslaught of lawsuits.
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:o Oooops...meant Carnival not Cardinal. As in Schettino's cardinal sin is causing havoc at Carnival. :(
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Thanks SB for those links. Not looking good for Cardinal...
In other related news:
1,000-page report delivered to the judge. The next hearing will be on October 15. Some Italian newspapers are reporting that the "great maneuver" turned out to be just luck according to the report delivered to the judge.
http://www.gazzettadelsud.it/news/english/12392/Costa-Concordia-1-000-page-report-delivered.html
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More news coming out re the newly revealed black box recordings.
From Discovery News:
http://news.discovery.com/human/madonna-what-have-i-done-concordia-120907.html
From The Telegraph:
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New black box recording info reported by La Stampa Newspaper. Here is an excerpt from CC article:
Italy's La Stampa newspaper says it has obtained black box recordings, on which Captain Schettino can be heard asking the officer in command of the ship's engine room: "So are we really going down?" Cruise Critic has been unable to independently verify the information in La Stampa's report.Then three minutes later, reports La Stampa, Schettino told passengers that the ship had simply suffered a power cut -- despite knowing it had hit a rock and was taking on water.
http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=4977
And from the Daily Mail:
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Thanks SB and MM -- interesting stuff.
Meanwhile from what I understand from this article in Giglio News that came out today, the Mayor of Giglio wants the wreck out ASAP -- he's asking Titan / Micoperi to work 24 hours a day nonstop until the wreck is removed. Quite a tall order methinks. The islanders seemed peeved that they are being kept in the dark regarding the salvage operations.
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There's an article published today by Discovery News -- most of it is old news but they mention a 148 page report by Costa that admits the ship is progressively warping and the bow sinking and that the rocks it is lying on could crack and the ship could plunge into deep waters.
Does anyone remember if that report was posted here or in another thread?
Thanks
http://news.discovery.com/earth/costa-concordia-salvage-delay-120827.html
"I believe a structural collapse of the ship's beam and a plunge into deep waters is very likely," Capt Barbini said.Barbini, who wrote a detailed report and sent it to the mayor of Giglio, believes that the most risky moment will be the rolling of the vessel and the subsequent refloating.
His worries are partly confirmed by a little publicized report by Costa Cruises. Written last May, the 148-page report admits that the ship is progressively warping and the bow has sunk by more than 35 inches.
According to the daily Il Tirreno, the report confirmed that the two pieces of rock on which the ship balances have worrisome cracks.
"Computer models have shown that five foot waves, which are likely to occur in winter, can produce a real risk of deep plunging," the report read.
The event would be catastrophic, with "polluting materials" spilling in the island's pristine waters.
Although more than 2,200 cubic meters of heavy fuel have been safely pumped out the ship, the report revealed that some 243 cubic meters of fuel, declared unpumpable, remain in the Concordia's most inaccessible tanks.
"The entire wreck removal operation is filled with risky moments. Refloating and towing away safely such a wreck sounds like a miracle to me. It's pretty much like Lazarus walking out of the grave," Barbini said.
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The way Schettino was playing fast and loose, I have no doubt you are right. Unfortunately, his gig is waaaay up. It's a shame his descent into an abyss of incompetence took innocent lives along the way.CT .... If it had not been January it was only a matter of time before it did happen around Giglio ... -
I can't help but think what the outcome would have been had Schettino not been dining late and used critical thinking and reasoned judgement on the bridge of the Concordia on the night of January 13. For sure, we would not be discussing this now on CC. Of all the "what if" scenarios that have been presented, this one is probably the "what if" the families of the dead, those who were on the ship that night, the officials at Costa and the Giglio islanders would most wish for.
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If any of you are in New York City from Sept 14 to Oct 20, the art exhibit by Swiss artist Thomas Hirschhorn dedicated to the Concordia should be interesting:
Thomas Hirschhorn“Concordia, Concordia”
530 West 21st Street
September 14 – October 20, 2012
Opening September 13, 6 – 8 pm
Gladstone Gallery is pleased to announce the exhibition of “Concordia, Concordia” by Thomas Hirschhorn. The exhibition will feature a large-scale work inspired by the sinking of the cruise ship Costa Concordia, which ran aground off the coast of Italy in January 2012.
Artist's Statement:
As many people, I saw the pictures showing the inside of the sunken cruise ship Costa Concordia after the wreck. The floor emerging upright had become a wall, the wall was turned into a ceiling and the ceiling into the opposite wall. Every non-attached thing was floating in water, like a barricade in movement. A barricade made of all that points out the impassable and cumbersome inutility. I was struck by this apocalyptic upside down vision of the banal and cheap "nice, fake, and cozy" interior of the overturned ship. This pictures the uncertainty and precariousness of the past, of the present moment, and of the future. I saw it as an amusing and disturbing but nevertheless logical and convincing form. This must be the form of our contemporary disaster. This must be the ultimate expression of the precarious, which nobody wants to confront. "Get back on board, captain!" shouted the coast guard officer to the already safely landed captain of the Costa Concordia who refused to go back to his vessel. "Get back on board!" means there is definitely no escape – we have to confront the self-produced disaster in its incredible normality – there is no way out, there is no place to flee, there is no safe land anymore! This is the starting point that made me think of and start out to conceive the work "Concordia, Concordia."
I want to do something Big. To do something Big does not mean to do something monumental or gigantic. If something is Big, it’s because it needs to be Big. One must understand that necessity as such or within its own logic. That’s why, when making things Big, I do it myself, with my own hands, with my own materials, with my own visual vocabulary and with my own work. I do it in order to avoid the "Blow-Up" effect and I do it to avoid falling into the trap of "Pumping the Size." I want to do a Big work to show that the saying "Too Big to Fail" no longer makes any sense. On the contrary, when something is Too Big, it must Fail – this is what I want to give Form to. I want to understand this as a logic and this is the Form! This is what I want to explore, it is the grounding of my new work “Concordia, Concordia.” “Concordia, Concordia” brings back to mind the disastrous wreck of the cruise ship Costa Concordia and the images of the immersed ship in its confusing architecture. The flooded casino of consumption stands for evidence: the evidence of a coming disaster and the evidence of an announced failure. This is “Concordia, Concordia.”
- Thomas Hirschhorn
Hirschhorn's work will be presented concurrently by the Dia Art Foundation in “Timeline: Work in Public Space,” from September 15 – November 3, 2012 at 541 West 22nd Street, the site of the future Dia:Chelsea project space. The exhibition will feature a new large-scale collage of images, written statements, and text excerpts chronicling the artist’s interventions at urban and rural sites and will be presented in anticipation of Hirschhorn’s Gramsci Monument, the fourth and final project of Hirschhorn's Monument series, that Dia will present in summer 2013 in the Bronx or at another location in New York City.
A Conversation with Thomas Hirschhorn and Hal Foster, Townsend Martin '17 Professor of Art and Archaeology at Princeton University, will relaunch the Dia Discussions in Contemporary Culture series, on Saturday, September 15, at 6:30 pm.
Thomas Hirschhorn was born in 1957 in Bern, Switzerland, and now lives and works in Paris. His work has been the subject of numerous solo exhibitions including at the Institute of Contemporary Art, Boston; Centre Georges Pompidou, Paris; Museu d'Art Contemporani, Barcelona; Kunsthaus Zürich; Art Institute of Chicago; Museum Ludwig, Cologne; and Secession, Vienna. In 2003 he created the Musée Précaire Albinet, a temporary "Presence and Production" project in Aubervilliers, France. Additionally, he has taken part in many international group exhibitions, including the 2012 La Triennale at the Palais de Tokyo in Paris; the Swiss Pavilion of the 2011 Venice Biennale with his work Crystal of Resistance, Documenta 11 in Kassel, Germany, where his large-scale public work, Bataille Monument, was on view; “Heart of Darkness” at the Walker Art Center; and “Life on Mars: the 55th Carnegie International.” Hirschhorn was the recipient of the Prix Marcel Duchamp in 2000, the Joseph Beuys-Preis in 2004 and the Kurt Schwitters Prize in 2011.
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Sadly Morgan & Sidari, there are some on this thread who would rather stick with the more salacious, sensationalised and frequently misreported side of this tragedy.
They are the voyeurs of this world, wanting to get a front row seat in the chance of seeing blood being spilt...the sort of people who take great pride in standing at a car crash, taking photo's rather than actually offer anything remotely constructive to the situation.
Making up cartoons...depicts them to be sick minded individuals....as only those sick in the mind would even attempt to make fun of a tragedy like this. It really quite pathetic behaviour but sadly common when accidents happen....only last week here in the UK, a police force were so disgusted by motorists driving by an accident where a driver was fighting for her life taking photo's of her plight that they aimed their on board cameras in their patrol cars onto those drivers and photographed them, and they will be receiving court notices in the post.
It's like those wanting to watch the removal of the wreck...its disgusting, it's voyeuristic...like vultures waiting for a body or body part to fall out of the wreckage...without so much as a thought to those directly affected by what happened...they do not care, all they want (as per the media) is that perfect view, that perfect photo or someone's grief....it's plain sick...
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Here are the official court charges against the officers (first 6 names) and Costa employees (next 3 names) published on the Codacons website.
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Passengers did report seeing Schettino on a lifeboat long before all the passengers were off the ship.
A French couple who boarded the Concordia in Marseille, Ophelie Gondelle and David Du Pays, told the Associated Press they saw the captain in a lifeboat, covered by a blanket, well before all the passengers were off the ship.“The commander left before and was on the dock before everyone was off,” said Gondelle, 28, a French military officer.
“Normally the commander should only leave at the end,” said Du Pays, a police officer who said he helped an injured passenger to a rescue boat. “I did what I could.”
Coast Guard officers later spotted Schettino on land as the evacuation unfolded.
The officers urged him to return to his ship and honor his duty to stay aboard until everyone was safely off the vessel, but he ignored them, Coast Guard Cmdr. Francesco Paolillo said.
Schettino insisted he didn’t leave the liner early, telling Mediaset television that he had done everything he could to save lives.
“We were the last ones to leave the ship,” he said.
http://m.spokesman.com/stories/2012/jan/16/ship-captain-detained/
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Do you think I should ask my wife, if I can hire Dominica for Halloween?? :eek::p
Naw, she's already got a hot "trick or treat" date with Cap'n Crunch. :D;)
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If the Giglio city fathers had some old style entrepreneurial acumen, they'd wait till the salvagers complete the removal of the Concordia and replace it with a styrofoam replica. Then they could build a museum/ferry pier to take paying tourists out to the "wreck". They could build a transportable duplicate museum and partial section of the wreck to send around the world for visits, manned by Gilgio tourist agents.........:p
Sounds like a lucrative venture...but remember the Italians are highly superstitious people and don't like the idea of "ghosts" lurking there.
There are plently of Schettino replicas so who knows -- here's a Schettino costume a couple dressed their baby as for a carnival:
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In other news, Giglio Mayor Sergio Ortelli imposes a new "landing fee" on ferries bringing in day tourists. He's charging a tax of 1 Euro per passenger. Doesn't sound like a lot but judging from all the day trippers Giglio has been getting lately, could be a nice lining to the municipal coffers.
On a different note, Italian news report that a badly decomposed body has been found on the south end of Giglio. Appears to be a man in a motorcycle suit and unrelated to the Concordia incident. They think the currents brought him there. "Cosa Nostra"? :eek:
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Oh, Cruiserfanfromct... now you want me to spoil the conspiracy theory? Actually, we are practically neighbors, separated by the Sound. And no, I go by no other handle.
No conspiracy theories here. Not too complicated for a poster to pick up a second handle. That's all.
Across the Sound via across the Pond? You definitely don't sound like the typical Long Islander to me. :confused:
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I did find the full interview in two installments up on that site, however, only the short news teaser is viewable in the U.S.
Since this is one of the paid interviews, I don't believe it's available anywhere else in the world but Australia. I was hoping someone in OZ would upload it to YouTube so we could all have a good laugh! :D
What part of the States did you say you're from? Do you sometimes go by another handle here on CC?
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The interview on Australia's 7News was from last month -- aired July 15/16 in 2 parts. That's the same interview he came up with the "Ghost" line referring to his soon-to-be-mistress-had-the-ship-not-wrecked.
Here's a partial transcript :eek:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-tonight/lifestyle/article/-/14243519/captain-breaks-his-silence/
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You really know how to hurt a guy. I was just going to say something very English: "me thinks the lady/gentleman protests too much"...............:D
Elementary, my dear Watson ;):D
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Agreed, that is why I believe RF is being investigated by the authorities and his duties reassigned by Costa. His cluelessness in the phone conversation with the Coast Guard could be a concerted cover up, IMHO.