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2 hours ago, ace2542 said:

Please read this link. An arrest in a double murder from 1987. Full dna profile of the suspect and no leads for a long time.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-55175603

 

What do you think lead to the arrest it does not say but do you think they got his DNA match or familial DNA from the  coronavirus testing kits? That is one of the big conspiracy theories in all this in UK. An attempt to seriously enhance the current DNA database the english version of your CODIS through the backdoor with this.

1) Easy solution, don't murder anyone

2) You leave DNA everywhere you go, on everything you touch, every hair you shed. The world doesn't need some huge conspiracy to harvest your DNA. 

Interesting--I'm surprised they're still pretending they will be able to sail in Nov. 

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There has never been a successful vaccine. (I guess that is why we still live in fear of polio, small pox, measles, etc.)

If someone here really said that, it should have been easy to disregard with basic critical thinking skills.
 

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All of the reported successful stage 2 trials only mean the company's stock will go up with insiders making millions.

Do you actually doubt that last part is happening?

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There will be tremendous political pressure to approve a vaccine without knowing what side effects might show up, so one would be wise not to get the shot.

Do you actually doubt there is tremendous political pressure to rush a vaccine to market? 

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Even 50% would be considered a successful vaccine, so most especially considering all who will refuse to take it will not be safe.

I'm not able to parse this one to figure out your point.

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Vaccines will do no good because the anti-bodies do not remain with this virus.

This is straight from certain segments of the media, but yes, we understand more about t-cell immunity now.

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If I think about it longer, I'm sure I can come up with more that I have seen posted on these boards.

Which brings me to my main question, why the preoccupation with the 'meta' analysis of what people are saying on 'these boards'? Just put the people who are annoying you on Ignore, and be the conversation you want to see.

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I can help with one more. All cruise lines are about to go bankrupt and your FCCs will all become worthless on Dec 31, 2021.

Some (smaller) cruise lines already have gone bankrupt. The bigger ones are bleeding tremendous amounts of money every month with no revenue. This isn't doomer thinking, it's just math. 

Not saying they wouldn't end up re-organizing, or that cruising is over forever, but yeah, this isn't a wildly unlikely scenario. 

10 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

I wish that were true, but it seems that there are many on these boards that just love to say "I told you so" every time something goes wrong.

I don’t see anything like that in this thread.

8 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

Why bother to wait if you feel that way?

 

Every time someone posts something hopeful, you are among the leaders with negative comments.

 

Do you realize some countries have beat this? Korea is even now allowing limited fans at their baseball games.

South Korea had a young population, the best ground game in the world for testing and contact tracing, and unlike many western countries, had a population that didn’t decide that wearing a mask was too much for their “personal freedoms”. They’ve also just arrested a church leader who caused mass spread. Would never happen in the US. 
 

Even still, they’ve had flare ups when they tried opening nightclubs. It doesn’t just go away.

I got CCL at 8, NCLH at 7 and RCCL at 20 back when the one big crash happened. I keep waiting for that money to vanish, but I was treating it as gambling cash anyway. Surprised the sale of those HAL ships didn't touch CCL much. 

Yeah ... I finally gave up and got my interest-free loan back from them. 😕 

On 7/8/2020 at 5:53 PM, garymfreedman said:

Although there are still 100 days until the first sailing on October 16(And my sailing), with how bad Florida is, especially MIAMI-Dade county, things are not looking good for October.......

On the bright side, with all the money we've saved this year from not being able to travel, dine out, other frivolous spending, I traded in my car and got an (entry level) Tesla. If I'm stuck to the ground I might as well enjoy it. 

Refunds to my CC arrived overnight. It's about $200 shy of what the rep quoted the day I called, but it's made up of a lot of individual charges and she might have just done the math wrong. (It was more than I remembered paying them either way, so ...) 

Anyway, so that was 2 business days for full refund plus (they say) 25% FCC. 

17 hours ago, Localitcompanies said:

So they gave your down payment back? Sorry im a “virgin” to the cruise lingo. FCC?

It was more than a downpayment, I had paid off a couple of (short) cruises that were to happen back in March. I believe the fact that those cruises were canceled due to pandemic are the reason I was eligible for a 25% future cruise credit even when I cancelled the subsequent rebookings for a refund.

(No monies yet.)

I finally caved this morning. I've rolled several bookings forward already and had ended up in Nov 2020, which I still don't believe is going to happen. I've been (mostly) on hold with them for about 40 minutes now. To be fair, my booking history with them is complicated (suite with two people > canceled for two back to backs in solo (March 2020, canceled by pandemic), > canceled for suite with two people in October > canceled for suite with two people in November > I finally gave up/not sure they won't go bankrupt). 

Ok ... off phone now, it was about 50 minutes total. It does sound like they were able to clean everything up and issue me a 25% FCC. If you have a similarly complicated history, they can handle, but just be ready to settle in on hold for a while (and it's still that same song ...).

They state 7-10 business days for the refund, I will post here when it shows up (or doesn't). 

42 minutes ago, boatseller said:

Of course the CDC is to blame for worrying too much about their reputation.  Once Walt Disney World and Disneyland open, and they will on schedule, the CDC is out of excuses for cruising.

WDW is much closer to, you know, actual hospitals. WDW also isn’t moving around from country to country with thousands of parkgoers. It’s apples and oranges.

Note: I also think WDW opening in less than three weeks while Orange County is running out of ICU capacity is bananas. 

45 minutes ago, ORV said:

Here is a completely different take on this. Years ago I had a Snapper mower with a grass catcher. It created so much dust that I had to wear a mask to filter the dust. This was probably 35 years ago. Perhaps what he was doing was similar and has nothing to do with what's happening with Covid. 

Lots of people in my neighborhood, including my husband, already wore masks when mowing. Dust, fuel fumes, grass, etc. 

It's just that now people feel good about noticing and judging it, for some absolutely insane reason. 

31 minutes ago, CruisingSince1982 said:

 

but it's not bad - that's my point. More people are hospitalized with the flu than they are with Covid. All of these people are walking around with it and testing positive, and yet they are fine. there are 21.48 million people living in Florida since 2019. These numbers are not matching the level of hysteria. Again, people in the high risk category definitely should not be sailing! 

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-coronavirus-hospitalizations-central-florida-20200614-vxrk2t3hdjgcrmt6pyqtdl3r5a-story.html

4 hours ago, Fly and Sail said:

 

If you need a reason to account for this I I guess we just have to look at what's going on in the streets across the country right now.

Or the fact that Arizona, SC, FL all reopened fairly early. 
 

The current protestors wear masks. The ReOpen protestors proudly did not. 
 

2 minutes ago, pumpkin 11 said:

My doctor friends say no reason we can’t get back to normal. 

Oh, I guess it’s all good then, pay no mind to the 116k plus dead Americans. 

Cases are spiking everywhere, record number of new cases in Florida.

virus didn’t just go away. 😕

Hey all, 
 
I am trying to convince my friends (aged 25, like me) to take a cruise to Hawaii. They have the usual millennial concerns of not finding too many others onboard of our age or not having activities we consider entertaining (EDM Music, Parties/Bars etc.) available on board. Is there a particular Cruise experience you recommend that meets these requirements?
 
Regards,
K

1 hour ago, Mallefiscent said:

 

Then don't present science as a fact.  It isn't the be all, do all, end all of everything that people make it out to be.  At this point, people have to have "faith" to believe in science, because a lot of times, the scientists have to turn around and say they were wrong. 

Get back to us when gravity stops working for you.

I’d love less crowded ships, or *at least* not having to deal with things like a 20 minute traffic jam after muster drill. I don’t know if the cruise ships can make enough money without jam-packing people onboard without price increases though. And I do understand that it may be priced out of my range then.

It’s interesting that the mega ship / overloading thing got so severe that they actually got separate revenue streams from people who would pay to skip lines, or pay through the nose to access a spot on the deck with slightly more breathing room (Vibe on NCL ships). I guess that’s true for many travel paradigms (pay for your legroom on planes by the centimeter), but cruise ship overcrowding has this unique ability to amplify disease spread to thousands of people at once. 

On 5/21/2020 at 4:00 PM, Tuasdad said:

With our travel insurance for this trip, if they go bust we'd get our money back so we're actually relieved they canceled and gave us the 200% credit. We were planning to change the cruise to next year anyway. Now the three rooms in our party will either all turn to suites or if possible we'll use the credit to book more rooms and bring family. 

Just as an aside — I thought most travel insurance explicitly excluded bankruptcy? I might be misremembering something I’ve heard on cruise radio recently ...

My trip was originally for March, purchased insurance pre-pandemic, and they let me move the same policy to the October trip (which I haven’t cancelled yet). So that particular policy predates a lot of the new pandemic clauses they’ve added ... (I’m just thinking out loud here). 

I think this is probably where I have to call it. I had rebooked to the end of October with the 200% credit, but I'm starting to feel like leaving this much money in the hands of any cruise line right now is just playing with fire. I know that the cancellations will ultimately hurt them worse, but it's just business.

It was one thing when it looked like some cruise lines would resume in July/August; I would at least have a sense of how things were going on other cruises before I decided whether to board. But my cruise would happen just a few weeks after they start things up, and that's too close for me. 

I'll probably wait a couple of weeks for this round of cancellations to make its way through their customer support, then call for a refund.

VV will still be at the top of my cruise lines to book, if the world ever goes back to normal and if they still exist. I just don't see a reason to give them an unsecured loan of several thousand dollars right now. 

3 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

 

Did you get this from your ReOpenMyState Facebook group?

52 minutes ago, boatseller said:

You can try all the scary rhetoric and you want, but ultimately, they numbers are on our side.  And you can all thank us later when the experts announce that we've achieved herd immunity.  Glad to do our part in protecting the future.

Hey, do you know what helps tremendously with herd immunity, with far less loss of life? Vaccines. Go get sick before then if you want, infect some people in your community on the way, but no, I won’t be thanking you for it. My gratitude goes to the healthcare workers and scientists. 

14 minutes ago, Georgia_Peaches said:

OMG...I've learned some good things by reading this thread.  Thanks to those who have posted informative links and provided food for thought. (That's sincere.)  But can I just say, the horse is dead, guys!

Honestly, I don't know why I keep using the internet right now. 🙂 I come here (to CC specifically) to see what people's mood is about the industry, what news there might be of ships and crew, new technologies to help keep people safe, etc ... but then I just get myself aggravated by being reminded that a lot of people still genuinely believe this is a hoax, that it's no big deal, that those numbers are just numbers and not TENS of THOUSANDS of dead Americans ... then I argue briefly, give up and go eat some cookie dough and take a xanax. 🙂

3 minutes ago, boatseller said:

So, this is where I point out that this is merely anecdotal evidence with no clinical study or verification?  🙂

Sorry, are you suggesting that the prevalence of severe clotting issues in COVID19 is just anecdotal? What source would be good enough for you?

And I guess you're not buying this either, or at least not enough kids have been affected yet:

https://emergency.cdc.gov/han/2020/han00432.asp

Every day they find some new horrible twist for this disease, including stuff that is showing up way late in the disease course.