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We had a good time at the fort. Getting off of the ship there were vendors and taxis and such but we had heard about the free trolleys.

There is a stop as you get off the far left dock. I think it is stop 1. Having read here to go elsewhere we walked a block or two to the right and past the Hyatt hotel I think it is and up the hill past the park 2 blocks. That got us to stop 3 a block left.

After 2 trolleys and 20 minutes we got on one. It was fun. But they cut back toward the ship and stopped at stop 13. This is the one 3 blocks to the left that everyone tries to go to up stream from the tourists off the boat. But when we stopped there our trolley was full and there was a huge crowd waiting.

We went through town and got up to the fort. It's 5 bucks but we'll worth it. Really enjoyed the fort. At the end we waited for a free trolley and there was a lot of people and several full trolleys and saw it was not too far and it was down hill so we just walked to ship. Not a big deal.

My advice is that due to not enough trolleys it is a hit and miss. If you are in good shape perhaps just walk to the fort as its less time than waiting for a trolley with room.

My parents parked at a place and took a shuttle to pier. No problem. But post cruise the place never answered phone and calls went t voice mail. After waiting 30 minutes thinking the parking company would just be running shuttles they gave up and took a 20 buck cab ride to the lot.

To the companies credit they were going to just reimburse the cab ride then at the last minute offered to refund the entire lot fee for the week instead. Which was way more than fair if the credit does show up! So preliminary hats off to us 1 parking. I think that's what it was called.

Bottom line is sometimes these free shuttles workm. Sometimes there are just too many passengers and the vans are over loaded .. rider be ware

Due to airfares being so much cheaper out of weSt Palm Beach we flew home from there.

There we many ships in port this morning. Hundreds of people trying to get out. We could have taken a shuttle for 50 bucks each but decided to rent a van from dollar for under 100 bucks . There were 5 of us.

I just took lyft to dollar. It was about 13 bucks for the larger van ride. Lyft plus.

Dollar has a free shuttle but with all the ships and people it might have taken a long time and sometimes free isn't worth it. Had a new 2016 town and country and enjoyed the water front in west Palm for a bit. A good way to go if fll doesn't work out. About an hour north .

OK it was a 2 star hotel but the staff was 5 stars at a 2.5 star price. We got in late and took lyft from airport to the hotel.

Nothing fancy but it worked. Had a free and good shuttle to ship the next day. You must sign up for it. 20 bucks for each person after 4.

We were on an eastern carribean new years eve cruise on the zuiderdam. Yesterday we were at Grand turks. We almost a disaster.. First the ship time was 1 hour different than local time. Don't know why but it was 1 hour ahead of island time. The correct time was announced and on clocks on the ship but what wasn't announced is that the local time was different. Anyone see a disaster coming here?

The next problem was that I booked a great excursion with a 3rd party online tour organizer. I didn't realize it and they didn't advertise it but the website was just an agent and not the provider. Big mistake.

Before leaving home i wasn't sure we were going to make the boat due to possibly weather so I didn't book our reservations til I got on the ship. So I booked online on my smart phone after we got on board while still in port the first day. Well as we pulled out I hadn't heard anything so I called and they said they would email everything the next day. Come to find out the booking wasn't really a booking at all. It was a request and they had to go out and find a vendor to accept our request. Didn't know that from the website until we paid a 20 percent deposit. ViA PayPal on their site. I called the tour place told them I was at sea and could get my emails and they said they would call me which they never did. I could have gone to the Internet cafe but I don't recall my email password and even then I didn't know if they had sent anything. Looking back I wish I had done this and printed their instructions which did mention a possible time change issue.

Advice: if you don't do a ship tour don't deal with a non local tour agent. Only deal with the provider. Having no info about our tour or if our reservation had “been accepted” i had my brother call the resrrvation place and get the details. Since texting on biard the ship is only a nickle to recieve i had my brother text me the info of where to meet and time while we were at sea after he called the middleman. They didn't quite tell him everything and the middleman staff didn't speak great English. We were excited to learn that on the first sea day that our reservation- which they called a request-had been accepted. Since we didn't have any idea of the details i had my brother call in again and ask eat we needed to know and he texted me eat they told him. We had a time and location and company name. What could go wrong? Well a lot. As said above the time was 1 hour off. The location was wrong. And the 3rd party booking company had a thick accent and my brother heard a slightly different company name. So I was looking around for wet monkey tours and it was suppose to be wet money tours. I am sure the locals I asked must of smiled behind my back at this dumb american. And the most important detail we didn't know is that we had to pay the balance due in cash! For 5 of us that was $425. I brought my visa card but don't carry that much cash anywhere.

We almost didn't bring much cash on the trip as everyone takes a credit card right? Well the website I booked on said nothing about requiring cash only payments but the email after our reservation was accepted did. Problem was we didn't get the email until waiting at the cruise plaza on shore an hour early and there was free wifi. I had a ton of emails and glanced over the entire email missing the cash only part. More on that later.

To continue we barely found the meeting place. The casino we were to meet in front of had closed and the signage removed. Again we didn't know we had to pay in cash - we later saw that after we got our emails from free WiFi on beach, and we almost missed the boat cause our driver thought 230 meant local time and 230 ship time was really130 local time… more on that later...

Lesson learned is if things are iffy on anything I would either book with the ship or wait til you are in port and deal with the supplier directly.

The good news is that yes, In turks there are cheaper local tours both right on beach and then outside the terminal gates.

Now the good part about our day is that we went with wet money tours. They offered what I was looking for. You can get them online directly. We went to stingrays then the wall then shallow reef then an island tour. Suprisngly the island tour was awesome. The island has No taxes a, small jail where if the prisoners work pick g up trash each day around the island they get TV and internet, saw all the churches and etc.

Some customers joined part of our wet money tour from buying a tour right at the dock. The tricky thing there is timing. Be there when the tour is leaving. I choose this tour specifically because they had 4 parts to their tour.. I really wanted to do the wall, stingrays, tour, and shallow dive.. The wall was awesome.

It seemed the other tours i found from the ship or online did not do the wall and the stingrays and city tour. I guess what I am saying is I would book with Wet Money tours but do it directly. Just be clear what local time is vs. Ship time is and learn exactly where to meet.

So we finished the snorkeling and such and then we had the city tour and had a few minute break. They asked for payment then. Cash. What? I opened my email and sure enough. Again I don't carry that kind of cash. We were on the beach. Our island tour was starting In 20.

Luckily we had brought more cash than I ever travel with and so I made a bee line to the ship. Down the beach past Jacks shack and through the shops and down the dock. Got to the room and counted out the money. Then recounted and got something different. Counted again. Then ran down the ships stairs. Down the pier. Through the shops. Down the beach to the meeting place. Out of breath. Probably took 30 minutes as my family stayed behind as collateral.

We learned later that because we started the tour on ships time and not local time they were planning on giving us the island tour first but since we showed up early we were put on their little boat to do the stingrays first. So when we finished the water part the tour company had some delays getting us our Isla d tour part. I want to be clear it wasn't their fault. We did have to wait a bit more and the driver had his uncle pick us up and take us to him. This was actually kind d of cool and added to the local flavor.

The scariest part dealt with the island time being different than the ship time. No one told us that.

Thankfully my wife had the time under control or I would be swimming to San Juan for our next stop. Lesson leaned. Serious untold the driver we had until 230. But we actually had til 130 local time. My wife had set her cell phone to ship time and thankfully the local cell phone service had not auto updated her phone time to island time. So she kept us on track and got us to the ship at 230. They untitled the stairs as we were getting on. I think we were the last ones on. Scary. Scare if the cell phone had changed times automatically as they can do as she specifically had set her cell phone clock to ship time and so we were thinking we had to be back when her phone said 230. Again local time, local cell phone time also, said 130. God's hand was with us this day.

Had we missed the ship I don't know what we would have done. There is no ships or daily ferry service anywhere at least to our next stop. They fly a little puddle jumper a few times a week over to providence. We had no cash. No clothes. And a visa card. And my son's diabetes supplies and insulin and insulin pump were on the ship. Missing the boat could have honestly been a life and death situation for us unless this tiny island that was 2 miles by 7 Miles had insulin and needles and supplies they would sell us with our visa card…. More importantly I have no idea if and when we could have gotten out of there to reach our ship and at what cost. 5 of us with expensive walk up fares at the airport. Again no clothes except our swimsuits. Wow… it's got me awake at 2 am realizing the gravity of how close to disaster we came. Had my wife's phone reset to local time we would have been sunk. And we learned never cut it so close. God has saved me many times from disaster. My family was saved again and it is obvious to me God was with us this day

We are on the Zuiderdam New Years eve 7 day eadtern carribeanian cruise 2015. We left Port Everglades December 28th. We flew all night and got into FLL at 440 am due to weather delays. My wife wisely had encouraged me to get a hotel prebokked which we did at super 8 dania. It was a 2 star hotel with 4 star hospitality At a 2.5 star price. I had called from Denver to let them know we would be way late so they wouldn't give away our room. Glad we did as they were ready for us even at the late hour and we're sold out.

We took LYFT over to the hotel and used a referall code and it cost us 9 bucks and after using a 5 buck credit it was only 4 bucks plus a tip. The hotel were gracious when we got to there and offered us a noon check out. That 6 hours of sleep was needed. The only hick up was that they charged up 20 bucks to take a 5th person in our group with us over to the ship on their free shuttle. They said it was up to 4 people. Ok.

Embarkation was pretty smooth. The ship is pronounced z-eye-derdam. Like eye… the ship is a bit old school classic. Fancier decor and we feel higher end food than many mass cruise lines. Food and service are subjective. The ship is long and tall but skinner… easy to see at the pool.. way less deck chair space starboard to port side.

The cabins seem a bit bigger but there is some rust and a few minor things like a cracked window or two on doors on the promenade deck that could be fixed. We are on deck 6 balcony y near the front of the ship. We must be over a stabilizer or something cause every minute or so the room literally shudders. The door a day floor and bed shake for a half second when we are in high winds and rough seas. It's like someone shaking your bed so it's hard to sleep.

We got a starboard- which is right side as you look forward- balcony. I love balconies. If you have a choice on Eastern carribeanian I would have taken the other side at least so far. Main reason is pulling out of pet everglades gives you the condos and apartments to the north and then at turks you are facing the island and beach and activities. Personal preference I guess.

We felt the staff was very friendly. The crowd older. Even on a Christmas break cruise with some families and kids the crowd seemed to average at least 65 yes of age. That's not bad but the ship seems to reflect that in some of their entertainment- which we felt were lacking. The offering was a classical violinist and a piano bar that was overcrowded cause there is nothing else to do it seemed. The b.b. king blues music place was crowded as well. It seemed for 1900 people there wasn't enough events and music. How about a 60s or 80s live band?

First day at sea was nice. Windy as heck- the TV said 52 mph was the effective speed or something like that.

A few more things

Looking for a more private area? Forward deck 11 are private cabanas. However most people don't realize that forward from that is a nice quite secluded deck for all paasengers. No one was up there when I went! This is right above the crows nest.

Our room came with a power strip in the side compartment on the desk. Seems most did. We could have left ours behind.

There are fridges in most rooms. Filled with stuff but my son put his insulin in his fridge.

Each room has a DVD player and the ship has a free service where you can check out one of 1100 movies. 1100! Each cabin has a catalog of movies. They are free. The front desk even brings them to your room for free!

On the stateroom TV was fox news. CNN. ESPN. A few movie type channels. Front and back views from ship and also a ship channel showing location and things.

Like most ships they have towels to take off the ship and charge you if you don't leave them at end of cruise. Also bathrobes.

We had some teens and they liked the teens club.

Day 3. Grand turks. I may post this separately in that thread. We almost a disaster.. First the ship time was 1 hour different than local time. Don't know why but it was 1 hour ahead of island time. The correct time was announced and on clocks on the ship but what wasn't announced is that the local time was different. Anyone see a disaster coming here?

The next problem was that I booked a great excursion with a 3rd party online tour organizer. I didn't realize it and they didn't advertise it but the website was just an agent and not the provider. Big mistake.

Before leaving home i wasn't sure we were going to make the boat due to possibly weather so I didn't book our reservations til I got on the ship. So I booked online on my smart phone after we got on board while still in port the first day. Well as we pulled out I hadn't heard anything so I called and they said they would email everything the next day. Come to find out the booking wasn't really a booking at all. It was a request and they had to go out and find a vendor to accept our request. Didn't know that from the website until we paid a 20 percent deposit. ViA PayPal on their site. I called the tour place told them I was at sea and could get my emails and they said they would call me which they never did. I could have gone to the Internet cafe but I don't recall my email password and even then I didn't know if they had sent anything. Looking back I wish I had done this and printed their instructions which did mention a possible time change issue. I

Advice: if you don't do a ship tour don't deal with a non local tour agent. Only deal with the provider. Having no info about our tour or if our reservation had “been accepted” i had my brother call the resrrvation place and get the details. Since texting on biard the ship is only a nickle to recieve i had my brother text me the info of where to meet and time while we were at sea after he called the middleman. They didn't quite tell him everything and the middleman staff didn't speak great English. We were excited to learn that on the first sea day that our reservation- which they called a request-had been accepted. Since we didn't have any idea of the details i had my brother call in again and ask eat we needed to know and he texted me eat they told him. We had a time and location and company name. What could go wrong? Well a lot. As said above the time was 1 hour off. The location was wrong. And the 3rd party booking company had a thick accent and my brother heard a slightly different company name. So I was looking around for wet monkey tours and it was suppose to be wet money tours. I am sure the locals I asked must of smiled behind my back at this dumb american. And the most important detail we didn't know is that we had to pay the balance due in cash! For 5 of us that was $425. I brought my visa card but don't carry that much cash anywhere.

We almost didn't bring much cash on the trip as everyone takes a credit card right? Well the website I booked on said nothing about requiring cash only payments but the email after our reservation was accepted did. Problem was we didn't get the email until waiting at the cruise plaza on shore an hour early and there was free wifi. I had a ton of emails and glanced over the entire email missing the cash only part. More on that later.

To continue we barely found the meeting place. The casino we were to meet in front of had closed and the signage removed. Again we didn't know we had to pay in cash - we later saw that after we got our emails from free WiFi on beach, and we almost missed the boat cause our driver thought 230 meant local time and 230 ship time was really130 local time… more on that later...

Lesson learned is if things are iffy on anything I would either book with the ship or wait til you are in port and deal with the supplier directly.

The good news is that yes, In turks there are cheaper local tours both right on beach and then outside the terminal gates.

Now the good part about our day is that we went with wet money tours. They offered what I was looking for. You can get them online directly. We went to stingrays then the wall then shallow reef then an island tour. Suprisngly the island tour was awesome. The island has No taxes a, small jail where if the prisoners work pick g up trash each day around the island they get TV and internet, saw all the churches and etc.

Some customers joined part of our wet money tour from buying a tour right at the dock. The tricky thing there is timing. Be there when the tour is leaving. I choose this tour specifically because they had 4 parts to their tour.. I really wanted to do the wall, stingrays, tour, and shallow dive.. The wall was awesome.

It seemed the other tours i found from the ship or online did not do the wall and the stingrays and city tour. I guess what I am saying is I would book with Wet Money tours but do it directly. Just be clear what local time is vs. Ship time is and learn exactly where to meet.

So we finished the snorkeling and such and then we had the city tour and had a few minute break. They asked for payment then. Cash. What? I opened my email and sure enough. Again I don't carry that kind of cash. We were on the beach. Our island tour was starting In 20.

Luckily we had brought more cash than I ever travel with and so I made a bee line to the ship. Down the beach past Jacks shack and through the shops and down the dock. Got to the room and counted out the money. Then recounted and got something different. Counted again. Then ran down the ships stairs. Down the pier. Through the shops. Down the beach to the meeting place. Out of breath. Probably took 30 minutes as my family stayed behind as collateral.

We learned later that because we started the tour on ships time and not local time they were planning on giving us the island tour first but since we showed up early we were put on their little boat to do the stingrays first. So when we finished the water part the tour company had some delays getting us our Isla d tour part. I want to be clear it wasn't their fault. We did have to wait a bit more and the driver had his uncle pick us up and take us to him. This was actually kind d of cool and added to the local flavor.

The scariest part dealt with the island time being different than the ship time. No one told us that.

Thankfully my wife had the time under control or I would be swimming to San Juan for our next stop. Lesson leaned. Serious untold the driver we had until 230. But we actually had til 130 local time. My wife had set her cell phone to ship time and thankfully the local cell phone service had not auto updated her phone time to island time. So she kept us on track and got us to the ship at 230. They untitled the stairs as we were getting on. I think we were the last ones on. Scary. Scare if the cell phone had changed times automatically as they can do as she specifically had set her cell phone clock to ship time and so we were thinking we had to be back when her phone said 230. Again local time, local cell phone time also, siad 130. God's hand was with us this day.

Had we missed the ship I don't know what we would have done. There is no ships or daily ferry service anywhere at least to our next stop. They fly a little puddle jumper a few times a week over to providence. We had no cash. No clothes. And a visa card. And my son's diabetes supplies and insulin and insulin pump were on the ship. Missing the boat could have honestly been a life and death situation for us unless this tiny island that was 2 miles by 7 Miles had insulin and needles and supplies they would sell us with our visa card…. More importantly I have no idea if and when we could have gotten out of there to reach our ship and at what cost. 5 of us with expensive walk up fares at the airport. Again no clothes except our swimsuits. Wow… it's got me awake at 2 am realizing the gravity of how close to disaster we came. Had my wife's phone reset to local time we would have been sunk. And we learned never cut it so close. God has saved me many times from disaster. My family was saved again and it is obvious to me God was with us this day.

Moving on -

The free WiFi at Margarita villa required a password which was ville2015. I wish we would have known that as we were within range as we pulled in to port. I sat outside watching us pulling and had wifi signal but not a password. As the year changes tomorrow I wonder if they password will change.

Back to the ship- The comedian tonight was funny but a bit too sexual in her jokes to have my teenage boys in room. The teens club seems good as my boys were drawn too it.

The library is actually huge up at the crows nest. About 5 times the size of our last 10 cruises combined so it seems.

We had a larger group of 7 at dinner but wanted the flexibility of anytime dinning. The first day I called the Vista and made reservations which saved a wait. He gave me 530 or 730 pm.as choices since we had a large group. Those are the times for fixed searing which is fine. During the first meal the guy at the front stand by the door came by and told us with a group of 7 he could avoid the lines for us if we took a fixed time of 530 and sit at the exact same table with the same waiters. So we decided to take it. Essentially we switched from flexible dinning to early dinning. But it was worth it to give up a wait each night or a phone call to make nightly reservations. In the Vista the 3rd floor is normally for fixed dinning and 2nd floor is flexible. But 2nd floor views are much better because the windows are right on the water where the 3rd floor has the walking track around it. 3 laps equal a mile by the way

We used the phones some as our group was divided amount three cabins. You dial zero then 4 digit cabin number. Guest services is 90.

Someone in our group didn't get their suitcase so as we left port we called the front desk 3hich is called the office and the bag had been held back because there was an iron in it. We had to sign a former that the ship would hold it til the end of the cruise. So don't bring an iron. They let a curling iron through though which could also cause a fire

At the muster drill they do scan your card. They hunt you down if you don't show up. In fact they take you off the ship if you don't go to the muster drill even if you are on a back to back cruise on this ship.

This is a non smoking ship except it is allowed on the back outside and perhaps specific designated places.

The lido deck food closes up a bit early with only pizza offered past 930 most nights. Our waiter told us of midnight buffet on gala night that was not on the program.

Most people dressed up for the gala night. Some wore fancy flip flops and their best jeans. Personal preference I guess. Gala nights were the 2 sea days even though our tickets said 4 gals nights … we though with new years eve it might be more.

The room safe is the standard set your own 4 digit code style. If you have your halfway door open and you open your balcony door be prepared for a gigantic wind tunnel. I mean stuff flying around .. papers and shoes and clothes and pillows. Not quite but maybe.

If you travel with kids or teens they put the daily schedule for that age group in your little holder outside your room the night before. That is nice so my kids knew what was going on without going up to the loft each day to check first.

The raved about pinnacle grill is 10 surcharge for lunch and 29 for dinner and then on the last gala night it is 59 per person I think. It turns into le cirque -a top notch NYC resturuant.

There are two pools and the family pool and 2 hot tubs for kids is mid ship and has a cover for bad weather. When the cover is closed it smells like a city pool. High chlorine. The back pool is for adults. The two hot tubs in back as small. 3 people.

Just in San Juan. US cell service as local on Verizon. Off to the free trolley

In cheek

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Go info. Not the question but still good info. We had outside reasons we had to fly at the time we are just fyi

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Now you are talking more what I would like to do. Issue is we live in the west. Own some and own acres to use them. Why pay to do what we can do for just the cost of shells at home. But yes thus talks to 3 teenage boys with 2 hrs to kill with family post cruise.

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Don't think that would work... have to change and shower some place to be able to fly all afternoon. And if someone got hurt that could ruin our flight plans

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How would you spend 2 hours... either in FLL or West Palm Beach area? TIA

Post Cruise we dis embark about 900 am ish in Port Everglades and have a rent a car and a flight out of West Palm Beach at 2 pm. So I figure be at airport at noon, 1 hour travel time... that leaves close to 2 hours free.

We will be flying that afternoon so don't want to swim.. we have been to 4 beach days anyway this past week.

Have 3 teenage boys...

We would have just eaten for 7 days straight... they aren't into art, people watching, ...

Maybe go see an alligator farm? Any ideas?

It's simple. The world will end jan. 15th so there was no reason to figure out past then. Jk.... they will have that up soon

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Thank you very much for the personal experiences and first hand knowledge

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I am debating whether to pre-buy the ship shore excursion we want or to wait and buy it on the ship. There is a very small chance we might not make the ship if Denver Airport is closed for snow- we are flying way early in morning but if they delay more than 12 hours we could be in trouble. Say 1%... I hate Denver Airport as it seems to close more than an yother place.

So my question is: If we don't make the ship- do we still get charged for pre booked ship sponsored excursions?

Our back up plan is to catch the ship at the 2nd port of call.. the ship excursion is at the 1st port of call.

Post Cruise we dis embark about 900 ish in Port Everglades and have a rent a car and a flight out of West Palm Beach at 2 pm. So I figure be at airport at noon, 1 hour travel time... that leaves close to 2 hours free.

We will be flying so don't want to swim.. we have been to 4 beach days anyway this past week.

Have teenage boys...

How would you spend 2 hours... either in FLL or West Palm Beach area? TIA

They will come pick you up at the port for free.. no need for a taxi! They tack on a $4 port tax for that to your rental

did research crystal sea.. looks like you sign up before you cruise.. thanks for the tip!

I booked with Crystal Seas Adventures last December in Turk. Loved it. We went to a beautiful island and swam with stingrays.

So is this the non ship sponsored tour that I was trying to get info on in my question? A bit confused.

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Since this is a small island, I have not seen anything on the typical "get off the boat, go past the taxis, get your own private excursion for half price" type of postings.

We all would guess there are, but does any one know?

I am looking to go to feed the stingrays and snorkel, but do NOT want to pre book online with a group OR pay the ship prices.

Anyone hooked up with a local provider that was not pre arranged?

Been looking for this.. a poster named Gary shared this.. thank you Gary.

Instead of an expensive tour or taxi it sounds like you just walk to Back street and get on a van that looks like a taxi but with a sign in the window. This is how to get to Maho beach. The busses also go all over the island. Here is Gary's info:

Then find Back Street. It's the next one over from Front Street, which is the one with all the jewelry stores. I would look behind the Court House for a sign labeled Bus Halte. That's where you will find the $2 bus. Look for a bus with a 'Maho' or 'Mullet Bay' or 'M'Bay' sign in the window.

Tell the driver Maho Beach and you pay when you get off. You'll get back on the return bus on the other side of the street from where you got off. There will be a bus by shortly, though there is no schedule as they are independent operators. The bus will drop you in Philipsburg, without an option to continue to the Cruise Facility,

We rented a mini van.. about $70 total.. they will pick you up at the pier, and that $70 includes the pick up fee AND the $20 one way car drop off fee. Plus we have an extra hour or two to go and drive around- see millionaires row at FFL or whatever. We used Enterprise- they'll pick you up as they say...

Are we the only ones who first christen our room ....if you know what I mean... before all the other things?

When I looked at it flying into FFL and out of PBI was hundreds cheaper.. so just rent a car.. enterprise can do a 1 way rental including the $20 one way fee, and the 3.95 port fee to pick u up at the pier, for about 50 bucks total! Then you can explore if you have a few hours

Most cheaper hotels around fort Lauderdale seem to run their airport shuttle starting at 5 am and ending at midnight. We land the morning of boarding at 4 am coming from the west coast (1 am our time) and would like to sleep for 6 hours or so before we head to the ship as boarding starts at 1 pm for the cheap seats.

So without dropping 30 bucks for uber or lyft or a taxi what hotels run a 24 hour shuttle for those of us that land at 4 am? Thanks