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Oh the joys of editing a taped interview...leave in the juicy bits, take out the boring bits and then take what is left completely out of context....not forgetting the translation on top too.
Oh and Ctheworld.....it was your buddy Uniall who opened the door to Casey Anthony in this thread...so go take him/her to task, OK...thanks matey ;)
It never ceases to amaze how easy we as a species have become in being led by the nose...the media tell us that the world is about to end...and some actually believe it...
Yes...it's true....just Google War of the Worlds, Orson Welles in 1938...he had half of the USA in a blind panic over a radio play presentation. People actually believed that the Martians had landed in the USA!!
Sheesh....if people are so guilible when it comes to Martians landing, heck, they'll believe anything and everything coming from the media ROFL....such as believing the footage of water running down the stairs and crew telling pax to stay away that was beamed all over the world under the banner that it was filmed on Concordia....when it was actually Carnival Sensation in 2009 after a waste pipe burst.....actually it was an apt clip to use wasn't it? Sensation(al) ;)
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Casey Anthony who was found not guilty of murdering her 2 year old child but guilty of check fraud for which she was sentenced to probation. Her probation ends at noon on 8/24.
At the conclusion of her trial, the public believed she had gotten away with murder and polling indicated she was the mosted hated person in America. This is the "Court of Public Opinion" concept of which I've been posting.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48745916/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?gt1=43001
If she were to follow in the footsteps of her predecessor, O.J. Simpson, and leave Florida and break the law in Las Vegas; she'd probably draw the maximum sentence, just like OJ.
Public finger pointing of guilt will follow her for many years to come.
John
Casey Anothony SHOULD have been a slam dunk case...somewhere in the investigation and/prosecution things got screwed up...mistakes made.
But...just like ship's captains...the police and prosecutors are mere human beings and on occasions they screw up.
Doesn't bring the victims home or their families "closure" or justice. But its just another case of mistakes being made by humans that are not perfect.
It happens and lessons need to be learnt from it.
Last night I watched "After the Last 48", it was a follow up of "The Last 48" about an horrific case in Memphis...that of Jesse Dotson..
As much as Casey Anthony "got off" this time around, her time will come...just as it did with that arogant idiot, OJ Simpson.
Dotson got his just punishment for what he did that evening in 2008...the death penalty is a rare event in the city of Memphis by all accounts, but Dotson definitely deserved it.
Another case that has always had questionmarks....JonBenet Ramsey...again the police screwed up...again they are just humans, they are not perfect.
Bottom line is that no matter how trivial the mistake, any mistake can be fatal if in the right circumstances.
Punishment is fine...absolutely punish ALL who took a part in the mistakes...but most important above all else is to learn the lessons and change procedures & training in order to prevent it happening again...and that goes for failures in the justice system worldwide.
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If the Italian courts don't find Capt. Coward guilty, I'll react the same way I did after the O.J. Simpson and the Casey Anthony trials........... "Miscarriage of Justice" :p
Regarding international law, Irianian waters include international sea lanes in the straights of Hormuz over which Iran lacks authority and control. In the last 6 months Iran threatened to close the straights with mines, just like they did back in the day, which is an act of war.
Just a couple of points...since you still argue that there is no comparison tween Rogers & Schettino.
Rogers was over 100 miles INSIDE Iranian territorial waters - in the heat of the moment he and his crew were so excited about the aircraft that they mistakenly wandered out of their allotted zone of operations. So the war stance is null and void since Rogers actions in wandering off the international marine traffic zone and into Iranian waters was not done to defend themselves legitimately...it was done cos they got trigger happy and didn't read their instrumentation correctly...namely they muddled an Airbus 300 with an F14....not a huge amount of difference, I spose....
But...and this is the big question....which I bet you will refuse to answer...(probably claim the 5th amendment...non incrimination and all that jazz)...
What would your thoughts have been towards Rogers had the aircraft he shot down by mistake was an American Airlines plane, full of American citizens?
Nationality of victims shouldn't come into it...but with at least two from the USA aboard Concordia having been lost, I am guessing that had NO American citizens been lost on Concordia your stance would be totally indifferent to the guilt or innocence of Schettino.
Incidently, the pilot aboard IR655...and his brother who, on July 3 this year, held a private service of remembrance on the beach where wreckage washed up, just as he has done since 1988...both men were educated from a young age in the USA, both were in the Iranian Navy before one went over to fly commercial jets, again trained to do so in the USA...the brother left behind left the Iranian Navy within months of his brothers death...he had lost faith in the long thought ideal that Navy vessel crews are the best of the best and if they make mistakes, they not only admit to it but they also attone for it.
It also has to be said that there were some foreigners on board IR655 too, a couple of them dual nationality USA/Iranian.
Your attitude that some of us are anti USA is soooooo far fetched, it would be funny if the subject wasn't so serious.
Sadly...at least it appears to be the case....that when American's make a genuine mistake that causes the death of others, they are almost programmed not to admit fault, they give a stoic almost emotionless account of what happened and they never shed a tear for those that they kill.
Now...people like that are probably in the minority in the USA, but they invariably get the headlines...the ones that did wrong but couldn't bring themselves to say three little words...
"I am sorry"
Schettino has apologised, OK so its easy to say it...harder to mean it...but at least he is making an effort, albeit long after the event and a little bit hollow.
Accidents happen...they cause untold pain and anguish...but its what is learnt from accidents that is paramount. There will be changes made in the selection and training of officers aboard ships...not just cruise ships either. More realistic emergency training...even if just in simulators....
In actual fact, it would be a great exercise to use a simulator to recreate the last cruise of Concordia and ask other captains to deal with what happened after hitting the rock...you see, a simulator can tip over, thus recreating the list in real time....it would be very interesting to see if other captains would react in a similar way to Schettino....and if they did, even if only one did, that would prove that training for emergency was inadequate.
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The people of Giglio are probably tired of the voyeurs gawking at the hull...not forgetting two bodies are still in there somewhere.
No doubt Titan will have organised for National Geographic to film the entire recovery process for the "Salvage Code red" series, so rather than gawk at it for the next 12 months, just wait patiently for the documentary...you KNOW there will be one made, afterall, there is money to be made from this affair :rolleyes:
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I think the last three posts create a "resonable suspicion" that Sidari has an alter ego and pseudonym which is used to differentiate between ranting and writting. :rolleyes:
Uniall....I am assuming that you made an error in judgement in the above statement...cos one of those three posts was YOURS :D
Your post about the three previous posts is #2216.
#2215 is mine, #2214 is YOURS and #2213 is sidari's....
So by that then....you must be a figment of your own imagination too.
Oh the irony :rolleyes:
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I understand your point, CostaSmurfette. My point is that this is par for the course and that ultimately the Concordia disaster could very well have a similar outcome. Unlike, Uniall, I don't believe that the court of public opinion is ever satisfied, and probably rightfully so in a civilized society. There are too many monuments to martyrs to think otherwise IMHO.
Regards,
MorganMars
And just as Vincennes got fogged by the authorities and no visible punishment was handed out, Concordia will likely do the same...not due to interference by the authorities but in Concordia's case, it is the media that has diluted, added bias and generally screwed up during the reporting, so no-one knows exactly what happened since there are so many different versions (according to which media you read. watch or otherwise take notice of).
As you said before...it took 8 years for Vincennes to pay up "hush" money and for it to be pushed into the archives, hopefully forgotten. Concorde took over 10 years to settle and get judicial proceedings sorted out.
Concordia and her judicial review, proceedings, settlement....who knows how long it will take, the ambulance chasers will inevitably extend the time taken for full settlement cos that is how they earn their commissions.
Ultimately...just as in Vincennes...it is highly doubtful that anyone's head will be placed on the block, no-one will admit liability (as that will be written into the settlement somewhere) and no-one wins.
All we can do is hope that the cruise industry get their house in order...just as you would hope that the world's navies have done.....and in the end it will be fine until the next time..
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For those wishing to see the Air Crash Investigation documentary regarding Vincennes and IR655, it can be watched in full here :
It is very well made, it shows exactly what happens when brain fog takes over a well trained and experienced crew on a ship and things go tragically wrong.
It was a horrific event, that hopefully will never be repeated by ANY naval vessel.
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I must admit, somewhat ashamedly, to being totally unaware of this incident, probably due to being involved in personal life tragedies at the time. It has been interesting, and rather enlightening, to read about this 24 years after the incident in that it provides a more historical perspective, which may give some indication of the ultimate outcome of the current Concordia investigations.
So, evidently compensation was paid, but I believe it is fairly typical in most settlement agreements for parties to not admit liability. I also note that it took 8 years to reach a settlement. How many of us are still going to be posting on this forum in 8 years?
For the legalists, the settlement agreement can be found at http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/79/11131.pdf
Regards,
MorganMars
The point is that those who were ultimately responsible...Rogers & his crew, who were actually filmed live during the entire events leading to the shooting down of Iran Air 655, were NEVER prosecuted. A Court Martial was heard but it got fogged by the authorities, no-one was actually punished.
But what really p'eed people off...not just in Iran but around the world...is that when Vincennes returned to San Diego after this deployment, they received a ticker tape welcome...despite it being fully known that fatal mistakes had been made by Rogers and his crew.
There was no sorrow or remorse shown by anyone on the ship or quayside.
The National Geographic series Mayday/Aircrash Investigation did a full reconstruction of every part of this incident, they included the footage shot onboard during the run up to and including the shooting down of the airliner.
Not one person on Vincennes was ever held accountable.
As uncomfortable as it is to have a decorated Navy commander fall to pieces and have his crew fall to pieces under pressure, it happened and it can easily happen again...no training can ever cover human reactions under stress.
In the same way, cruise ship captains can be extremely highly trained and teir vessels be bristling with all the latest gadgets and gizmo's...but the human reaction under stress can never be trained for.
Both the Vincennes senior crew and the Concordia senior crew fell well short of what they were trained to do.
The only difference is how it was dealt with after the event...and how Joe Public reacted to it.....ticker tape applause for one, a lynch mob for the other....apart from it being 290 vs 32 deaths there are no other differences...human being screwed up, people died.
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As I've said before, I won't let you drag me into a debate involving anti American rhetoric. The USS Vincennes incident has nothing to do with Concordia.
There is NO rhetoric (anti US or otherwise).
Just two commanders who stuffed up royally...one greeted with disdain and a lynch mob and the other greeted by back patting, medals and applause.
Ignore the fact that Vincennes was a Naval vessel for a moment. If that ship had been any other type of ship and the actions of its commander led directly to the deaths of 290 people, one would naturally expect that commander to be hung, drawn and quartered for making mistakes in his judgement.
Why then, is a Naval commander NOT held accountable...doesn't make one iota of difference as to which Navy he belongs to...but why is he not to be held responsible and punished for making such a massive number of judgement errors that meant that 290 people died?
It is completely understandable that the shooting down of a civilian airliner by a Naval commander would be incredibly embarrassing and a complete diplomatic disaster...
You cannot blame people looking in from the outside and scratching heads when that same commander was given such a heroic welcome home after such an horrific and preventable incident.
Schettino and Rogers both made awful mistakes in judgement, Schettino and Rogers are both responsible for what their respective ship/crew are doing, Schettino and Rogers are both culpable for the disastrous & tragic effects of those errors of judgement....
Yet only Schettino faces any form of punishment whilst Rogers walked away with a pat on the back and a pension.
It has been said that cos the airliner belonged to Iran makes it less important...well if that was the case, I seriously doubt that world relations would be quite so bad as they are, I seriously doubt that PA103 would have been blown out of the sky a few months later.
All the Iranian's wanted was an open investigation, fair punishment for those ultimately responsible and a sincere apology by way of compensation towards the families of the 290 who died as a result of commander Roger's and his crew making fatal mistakes.
Just as those left behind from Concordia want an open investigation, fair punishment for those ultimately responsible and a sincere apology by way of compensation towards the families of the 32 who died as a result of captain Schettino and his crew making fatal mistakes.
Quite simple really...two well trained men in charge of two ultra modern ships who just got it all screwed up and killed people as a result.
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As highlighted by Sidari....the human element and the human's reaction/action under stress is key in many accidents...not just aircraft or ship but with anything that depends on a human being in command.
So should we dispense with the human element completely...easier said than done. There are drones in the sky but they sometimes fall out of it....will there ever be a time when ships are remotely controlled or preprogrammed...maybe...but then we reach the Catch 22.
To either go remotely controlled or to be fully automated by computer we need a human to work the controls from base and/or programme the computer....and since computers are only as good as the human that programmes it....there lies that Achilles heel once again.
The more I see coming out of Italy about the why's and wherefores's about this accident, the more I personally feel that Francesco Schettino and others on that bridge froze either just before on at the point of impact. As Sidari rightly said earlier, there have been numerous cases from all over the world where the human at the control (and thus in command) has frozen...whether through spatial disorientation or blind fear...it is an extremely common phenomenon that as yet there is no training available to prevent it happening.
Infact, as is so often the case, the psychological reaction is never known about until that person is placed into the position of a serious accident...up until that point is rarely, if ever shows.
Oh and those who said they hoped Francesco never went to Scandinavia...you obviously did not read the alleged damage done to AIDAblu in Rostock by Costa Atlantica under the command of Francesco Schettino...those who did not realise, Rostock is a Scandinavian port and Costa ships alternate tween Baltic cruises and Norwegian fjord cruises...so it's pretty much a certainty that Francesco has been swanning about in the fjords at least one season either as Captain, Staff Captain or Safety officer with Costa Crociere.
It is too easy to write off the human emotion element when it comes to how a person deals with an accident...their actions are frequently seen as confused, irrational, out of character and more frequently, totally against the rule book. That is what happes when a human is overtaken by such utter blind fear that they not only do some of the most unbelievable things but also the act in strange and sometimes life threatening ways.
It is a big mistake to judge someone as a coward when you yourself has never been in that person's shoes nor in that person's situation...we can all cry that we would never act that way, but when it comes down to it....just how certain are you...it is impossible to know til you are in a life or death situation as to how you would react.
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhh...........don't conjure it up......:eek:what happened to costasmurfette? 13 posts a day, then nothing...
I am still here....but unlike one or two of you, I actually have a life and have decided that since a few of you have found everyone guilty regardless as to whether any guilt actually exists, I prefer to watch how things unfold in Italy and get on with life....
Cos incase you haven't got it yet...life is too short to waste time doing a postmortem on something that doesn't affect you, that you do not have 100% knowledge about and that unless you are totally obsessive (which some here obviously are) whatever your individual thoughts and feelings are, you will neither hurry the investigation up nor will your inane rantings make one iota of difference to the outcome...
Nah...I much prefer to look at the wider photo, and how the industry are working to learn from the accident by educating their officers to be more aggressive with how they interact each other in order to act before an accident happens...ie...to speak out if they feel a decision or action is incorrect, something that til this accident happened, it seems there was some hesitancy...whether due to lack of training, fear of humiliation/intimidation or cultural problems - which actually do apply in Italy since even now there are some regions of Italy that are traditionally held in lower stature than others and for someone from the lower region to question someone from a higher region is just not done, There are alot of things that need addressing in how officers and crew interact and work together.
There are too many lessons to be learnt from this tragedy, and the guilt or innocence of those involved is a tiny fraction of the entire equation, and the guilt or innocence of those involved is not as important in the wider scheme of things as the ability for the industry to learn the lessons and thus prevent yet another accident from happening in the future.
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Sensitivities touched...
A European captain screws up and all hell to pay...and American captain screws up and its fine.
Oh well...least we know where the bias comes from, don't we?
Must be hard work being perfect ;)
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Since cabin modules are prefabricated and then added onto the ship after construction, the cabins on the undamaged side of the hull could be used again after being cleaned up and repaired.
Like the tenders/lifeboats that are sat on wasteground nearby, they may well end up on another ship and no-one would be any the wiser once they get repainted etc.
There is another ship on the construction blocks now, a Dream class for Costa...if the cabin modules and tender/lifeboats are in good order, no reason not to reuse them on the newbuild so long as they are structually satisfactory (and the boats get recertified for use).
Older ships that are broken don't generally have prefab cabins, so they get broken up with the rest of the ship whereas Concordia is a young ship with plenty of reusable parts.
The airline industry used to recycle parts...until the ghost stories from Eastern 401 surfaced and then the practice of using parts from crashed planes ended.
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Tonka .... I fail to see what the two world wars have to do with this thread? And maybe you should delete the comment regarding it.
Sadly, Sidari, this just shows where the gulf is tween points of view.
A well qualified and respected Navy commander stuffs it up and causes 290 Iranian civilians to be killed due to a mistake in judgement and it's apparently OK...brushed under the carpet.
Whereas an Italian merchant commander stuffs it up and causes 32 multiple nationality civilians to be killed due to a mistake in judgement and its an immediate hanging offence, no trial or jury.
I see no difference tween the two commanders, and since it has been drummed into all and sundry that a commander always takes ultimate responsibility for his and his crew's actions...especially when deaths are caused...the playing field is far from being even when comparing the two cases.
Both commanders made errors...including being off course, allowing/committing actions likely to endanger life and ultimately killing people.
Yet the military man gets a pat on the back and the civilian man get hung, drawn and quartered.
So no attack was made on the USA...just a basic comparison of two human beings who stuffed things up and caused innocent civilians to die.
Simple enough really...why is there a difference in attitudes towards the two men and what they are responsible for doing?
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I'll be glad when the hull has been removed and life can return to normal again....I doubt many of the people on Giglio will miss that hull or the frenzy surrounding it too.
I can see at least 4-7 of the below potential causes being cited.....
Human error by one and/or more personnel on the bridge.
An over-reliance on technology.
Inability or unwillingness to question orders or direction between officers & crew on the bridge.
Inaccuracy of paper charting.
Unreliability of instrumentation by design flaw and/or poor training in its usage.
Complacency throughout the cruise industry regarding the "it'll never happen to us" syndrome.
Potentially fatal design flaws in the construction, design and general day to day running of the vessel.
All the above have been suffered by the airline industry, all of which have cost thousands of lives, all of which were identified too late as potential problems on the flightdeck....the same problems have also been identified in shipping accidents but so far not acted upon industry wide, unlike in aviation where all have been accepted as failures in the safe running of aircraft.
Hopefully the cruise industry - if not the entire shipping industry - will now act on these well known and documented failures so that accidents like Concordia can never ever happen again in the future.
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I guess that now everyone knows what you are and you have no credibility..you go to politics and attach the USA?
Shame we saved the UK in 2 wars from now having to speak German.
AKK
No attack at all...a mere confirmation regarding accountability of the master of a ship...or, indeed, the lack of it.
Why not explain the difference tween accountability of a military ship's master and that of a civilian ship's master?
Why not explain why 290 lives meant nothing cos it was a military mistake, yet the lives of 32 is a hanging offence cos it was a civilian mistake?
Why did the military feel that they were above all recrimination when one of their highly trained commanders not only disobeyed orders but then ventured into foreign sea territory and opened fire on a civilian airliner...and then returned home to a hero's welcome?
Do not make the assumption that ALL masters of ALL ships are accountable for their actions. They are not, never have been and never will be.
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Certain sections of this community on CC are of the opinion that the buck stops with the bloke in charge regardless, and that the bloke in charge nust take the public flogging even if he/she was not at the helm at the time a mistake is made.
Well, there is a double standard then.
Incase no-one can be bothered to Google IR655...
July 3, 1988....Iran Air 655 was making its way from Dubai to Bandar Abbas on a scheduled airline flight, 290 souls on board...they never made it.
Below them was a USN ship, the Vincennes...her well qualified commander was being nosey, going against a request from his boss to return to base...now it is debateable as to whether or not the Vincennes commander wanted to make a mark in history or whether it was an adrenaline rush that wasn't controlled...IR655 was blasted out of the sky, killing all 290 people.
It was a mistake....probably due to some over excitement and over enthusiasm in the ranks. What made it harder to explain was the fact that a documentary crew were aboard at the time and they saw/heard everything...and filmed it.
If you're going to make a mistake, do it on film.
Now...nationalities distrusting each other aside...when Vincennes arrived back in her home port of San Diego after this "mistake", she was given a heroes welcome...which rubbed salt into many wounds.
The commander and his fellow officers and ratings were tried and found not guilty...they went unpunished.
So...there is no such thing as the buck stopping with the bloke in charge, the commander does not take ultimate responsibility for his ship and the actions taken therein.
One rule for some, another for others..changeable at a whim.
So please do not try and say that ALL captains/commanders take the responsibility for their crew's actions, cos no they do not...nor are they all punished when "mistakes" are made, not even mistakes that cost 290 innocent lives....I guess its easy to muddle a Tomcat with an A310 airliner...
And people wonder why there is deep mistrust tween Iran and the USA...all the Iranians wanted was an apology...they're still waiting for it.
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Since the USN have now been brought into the equation...albeit in a long standing joke...
Which Captain is going to get it in the wotsits forthis then, eh?
One of the U.S. Navy's guided-missile destroyers was damaged when it collided with an oil tanker early Sunday just outside the strategic Strait of Hormuz.The collision left a gaping hole in the starboard side of USS Porter but no one was injured on either vessel, the U.S. Navy said in a statement.
The collision with the Panamanian-flagged bulk oil tanker M/V Otowasan occurred at approximately 1 am local time.
Personally, I kinda like one of the comments posted underneath...
"If a guided missile destroyer cannot see something the size of a tanker coming towards it then what hope of it tracking a far-off enemy aircraft? None; obviously."
Oh the irony....
On a serious note though, if anyone really wanted to know why the US and Iran don't see eye to eye....Google Iran Air 655 and all will be explained...a tragedy that should never have happened and one that went completely unpunished....so I guess some Captains/Commanders are untouchable afterall.
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It appears that Codacons have stept on a few toes....(no surprise there)...
COMUNE ISOLA DEL GIGLIOProvincia di Grosseto
Intervento del sindaco Ortelli sui dubbi del Codacons
«Se il Codacons ha a cuore veramente la vicenda della rimozione della Costa Concordia e dell’Isola del Giglio, come dice, perché non si confronta con gli enti preposti, invece di fare sensazionalismo? Del resto all’Isola del Giglio, da sette mesi, c’è un Commissario straordinario per l’emergenza, ci sono due soggetti attuatori, un Osservatorio sui lavori di rimozione, ci sono organismi regionali e ****onali preposti ai controlli ambientali come Arpat e Ispra che svolgono quotidianamente il loro lavoro di monitoraggio supportato da dati confortanti e l’Università La Sapienza di Roma che effettua monitoraggi specifici.
Questo è l’esempio di protezione civile che l’Unione Europea è venuto a studiare all’Isola del Giglio e al quale l’amministrazione comunale si attiene. Ogni altro tentativo di ergersi a paladini esclusivi della verità contribuisce solo a creare ulteriore disagi all’Isola del Giglio e alla sua comunità già duramente messa alla prova contraddicendo addirittura il principio per cui il Codacons stesso dovrebbe operare: e cioè la tutela dei cittadini consumatori.
In quest’ottica il Comune di Isola del Giglio si riserva di tutelare in futuro la propria immagine e la propria comunità nelle sedi più opportune».
In English...
MUNICIPALITY ISOLA DEL GIGLIO
Provincia di Grosseto
Speech by Mayor Ortelli on doubts of Codacons
«If the Codacons really cares about the story of the removal of the Costa Concordia and the Isola del Giglio, as says, why don't you compare with the bodies, instead of making sensationalism? Moreover the Isola del Giglio, for seven months, there is a special Commissioner for the emergency, there are two subjects actuators, an Observatory on the work of removal, there are regional and national bodies in charge of environmental controls such as Arpat and Ispra who perform daily monitoring their work supported by encouraging data and the University of Rome "La Sapienza" that carries out specific monitors.
This is an example of civil protection for the European Union came to study at Isola del Giglio and the municipal administration abides. Any other attempt to set itself up to exclusive truth Paladins contributes only to create further hardship to the island of Giglio and his community already severely tested even contradicting the principle whereby the Codacons itself should work: namely the protection of consumers.
In this context, the municipality of Isola del Giglio reserves to protect the own image and their communities in appropriate fora ".
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DORMI, stai tranquilla, la bella addormentata nell’isola sta per essere conquistata da un principe, che la porterà via». Il cielo stellato del Castello illumina il palco del teatro, come illuminò quella notte del 13 gennaio. Un padre racconta una fiaba alla figlia, mentre la Concordia è stesa sul mare, immobilizzata in un sonno incantato.
Dopo sette mesi i gigliesi rielaborano la loro storia, un mito che fino ad ora è stato percorso solo dalla cronaca e dai talk show. La storia del naufragio della Costa diventa teatro, una poesia corale recitata dagli isolani che vissero quella notte. «La bella addormentata nell’isola» è il testo che ogni mercoledì̀ alle 22 verrà messo in scena a Giglio Castello, nella piazzetta dei Lombi. E’ il risultato di un laboratorio realizzato dal regista fiorentino Andrea Giannoni, che da 10 anni segue la compagnia il Teatro dell’Isola Pietro Buttarelli.
«Dovevamo preparare Euripide — spiega Giannoni —, ma i gigliesi avevano bisogno di raccontare la loro storia e tirarne fuori qualcosa di positivo. E’ nato così uno spettacolo aperto a tutti, a cui hanno partecipato persone da 7 a 70 anni, con un’unica regola: raccontare le emozioni, senza parlare di ciò che è stato scritto e filmato dalla stampa».
Il teatro torna alla sua funzione originaria, quella di mettere in scena la vita, come nell’antica Grecia di Euripide e Sofocle. «Le fonti a cui ci siamo ispirati - continua il regista - sono La Bella addormentata di Ciajkovskij, La Tempesta di Shakespeare e il canto dantesco sul naufrago per eccellenza, Ulisse».
Le scene all’interno della nave non sono recitate ma solo danzate. La banda del Giglio ‘Enea Brizzi’ musica la colonna sonora e il suono più importante: l’urto della nave con lo scoglio. Il valzer di Šostakovic s’interrompe, il ballo si ferma. Una giovane intona un canto sui ricordi delle prime ore di quella notte. Sulla scena arriva Don Lorenzo, nella chiesa non più solo di Dio ma chiesa degli uomini. I Gigliesi hanno riscoperto la solidarietà, le notti insonni dopo la paura si conciliano con una fiaba moderna che ha il sapore del mito. Il coro canta il risveglio dell’isola, sulle note di Alba sul mar. Poi l’ultimo saluto a chi non c’è più: la tromba del silenzio. E cala il sipario.
Sleep, you're quiet, sleeping beauty on the island being conquered by a Prince, who will take her away ". The starry sky of the Castle theater stage lit up that night, as of 13 January. A father tells a story to his daughter, while Concordia is stretched out over the sea, immobilized in an enchanted sleep.After seven months the gigliesi they revise their history, a myth that until now was only path from the Chronicle and talk shows. The story of the sinking of the coast becomes Theatre, choral poem recited by islanders who lived there that night. «Sleeping on the island ' is the text that every mercoledì̀ to 22 will be staged in Giglio Castello, in the square of the loins. It is the result of a laboratory created by the Florentine Andrea Giannoni, Director for 10 years following the island's theatre company Peter Buttarelli.
«We had to prepare Euripides — explains Giannoni — but the gigliesi needed to tell their story and pull out something positive. He was born so a show open to all, which was attended by people from 7 to 70 years, with only one rule: tell the emotions, let alone what was written and filmed by the press. "
The theatre back to its original function, that of staging life, as in ancient Greece by Euripides and Sophocles. «The sources that we have inspired-continues the Director-Tchaikovsky's the sleeping beauty, the tempest by Shakespeare and Dante's canto par excellence, the shipwrecked Odysseus '.
The scenes inside the ship are not recited except dance. La banda del Giglio ' Aeneas Brizzi ' soundtrack music and sound more important: the ship's collision with the rock. Shostakovitch's Waltz, the dance stops stops. A young girl sings a song about memories of the first hours of the night. The scene comes Don Lorenzo, the Church is no longer only of God but Church of men. The Gigliesi have rediscovered the solidarity, the sleepless nights after fear be reconciled with a modern fairy tale that has the taste of myth. The choir sings the awakening of the island, to the tune of sunrise over sea. Then the last farewell to whom there is more: the trumpet of silence. And the curtain.
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A photo taken by an evacuated passenger at 2345 local time on the quayside at Giglio...when it was assumed that everyone was off she ship.
It is hard to see the ship...she is just a mass of tiny lights....but what is striking are indeed those lights.
Shortly after her power failed, she went into emergency genset mode...we know this just by looking down her boat deck, the usual cobalt blue lighting was replaced by bright white lighting...
But here, in this photo, she is almost completely dark...even her red nightlights on the bridge are completely extinguished.
Those left aboard her by the time this photo was taken, would never have known where they were in relation to the safety of the outside decks...
Which begs the question...why did her otherwise bright emergency lights go out?
The angle of how she is laying is not far from that of when she was evacuated, she is not semi-submerges as she was the dawn the next morning...so why did her lights go out...?
Water ingress on the nearside, where she was settling, perhaps....
Either way, this is quite an eery photo of what was a dying ship...with people, both alive and dead still aboard her...
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Incorrect. For example, P&O do not hold passenger drills every 7 days on a cruise lasting longer than 7 days. P&O do hold a passenger drill on embarkation day, and attendance is mandatory, unless the passenger was on the immediately preceeding cruise.
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NCL, Olsen, Cunard, P&O carry out a drill at the start of a cruise regardless of length...yep...I have sailed with them.
However, the point I made was that after Concordia when things were sposedly tightened up, my 3 week cruise went from 3 drills to one...which was contrary to previous cruises of 2, 6 and 3 week lengths aboard Costa ships where the full drill was conducted for everyone every 7 days.
Just seemed like a step backwards to me...but since it could be at the discretion of the captain, I don't know what would be correct or incorrect.
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Well you have now proved you have no knowledge of how ships operate.
No Master is going to say he was on one place3 when he was in another bucuase there is no way the secret will be kept! The Coast Guard or what ever investigation will bring the truth out.
SO your wrong ..totally wrong.......... in fact and theory.
You do like to throw out ideas' date=',,,,,,,,,,,,maybes...could have,.......I deal in the facts how ship operate.
Quite frankly I did believe you were a investigator..............but I know I see your just a well read person,. Hell maybe you are writing a book.LOL
AKK
again........not discussion...........facts are facts.
AKK
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When did I say that I did know how ships operate...I haven't done...if you and anyone else assumed that I did, well more fool you...I cdertainly didn't say that I had any background in investigations...only that I have studied air crashes for over 35 years...which is absolutely true...my book shelves positively heave under the weight of accident reports dating back to the Inedx Adria/BEA midair crash in 1976.
Now if you and everyone made assumptions about who I am...not my fault.
I like 99% here is just someone looking from the outside in, looking for potential answers in what is one almighty mess.
Making assumptions about anyone is never a good idea ;)
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Could you enlighten us then with what exactly your point is? Not trying to be a smart ass here but sometimes your point gets lost in between all the magnificent superfluous verbiage.
If your point is that Schettino might have been on the bridge and was commanding during the successful August sail-by, it doesn't seem logical that he would try to beat his own record, would it?
Whether there is truth to this or not, it has been reported in the Italian media that judge Valeria Montesarchio did ask Schettino if he had done previous sail-bys and he responded by saying that he had done so with the Europa and other Costa ships.
In that same testimony, Schettino also revealed another possible "motive" for the sail-by other than to honor the Maitre D' and former captain Mario Palombo (who as it turns out was on the mainland in Grosetto that evening and not on Giglio). It was reported that he said there was a sort of competition with Massimo Garbarino, and that he had sent Garbarino an email letting him know of the sail-by.
Again, if all this is true, it highly unlikely he would try to beat his own record.
But if you have evidence that Schettino was on the bridge during the August sail-by, by all means present it.
Not saying there is evidence either way about August...he could have been on board, afterall, we do not have his bio with his service list do we?
Hypothetical conversation tween Palombo & Schettino....devils advocate and all that....
Palombo : Sua una bella notte, che cosa potrebbe andare storto, eh?
Schettino : Ma la sua contro le regole...Ho potuto ottenere nei guai...
Palombo : Niente andrà storto, ti prometto... Ehi... suo stato fatto prima e niente è andato storto, perché preoccuparsi, eh...e comunque, chi sa su di esso, il suo solo tra noi due, giusto?
Schettino : Ok...I'll do it...if che si sentono che sarebbe bene...
Palombo : Bene, bene...' Ll be watching per voi... sua una bella notte...Vedo l'ora di vedere la mia bella Concordia ancora... mi chiamano quando siete vicini...
Schettino : Ok...Ok...Ti chiamerò...
In English (Babelfish)....
Palombo : Its a beautiful night, what could possibly go wrong, eh?
Schettino : But its against the rules...I could get into trouble...
Palombo : Nothing will go wrong, I promise you...hey...its been done before and nothing went wrong, why worry, huh...and anyway, who will know about it, its just between the two of us, right?
Schettino : OK...I'll do it...if you feel it would be alright...
Palombo : Good, good...I'll be watching for you...its a beautiful night...I look forward to seeing my beautiful Concordia again...call me when you are close...
Schettino : OK...Ok...I'll call you...
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Sadly Morgan & Sidari, there are some on this thread who would rather stick with the more salacious, sensationalised and frequently misreported side of this tragedy.
They are the voyeurs of this world, wanting to get a front row seat in the chance of seeing blood being spilt...the sort of people who take great pride in standing at a car crash, taking photo's rather than actually offer anything remotely constructive to the situation.
Making up cartoons...depicts them to be sick minded individuals....as only those sick in the mind would even attempt to make fun of a tragedy like this. It really quite pathetic behaviour but sadly common when accidents happen....only last week here in the UK, a police force were so disgusted by motorists driving by an accident where a driver was fighting for her life taking photo's of her plight that they aimed their on board cameras in their patrol cars onto those drivers and photographed them, and they will be receiving court notices in the post.
It's like those wanting to watch the removal of the wreck...its disgusting, it's voyeuristic...like vultures waiting for a body or body part to fall out of the wreckage...without so much as a thought to those directly affected by what happened...they do not care, all they want (as per the media) is that perfect view, that perfect photo or someone's grief....it's plain sick...