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End all FOC ships

End all trade with china  and ensure essential items are made here

We dont need any new cars for 10 years the ones we have now are fine

stop buying cheap / fake goods from china

we dont sell our gas or foodstuffs for next to nothing , metals included

get the idea the restrictions last for 10 years after that we are self sufficient and can then look at a small amount of imported goods

if we dont do this  well just learn mandarin  .....

2 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said:

Unfortunately that won’t work.  In order to get money back Royal has to cancel the cruise.  So far they have only been cancelling 30-45 days ahead of departure which is long after final payment. 

 

If you cancel a NRD before final payment all you get is a FCC. 

Which is not going to be worth much 

34 minutes ago, mek said:

I booked with a non refundable deposit, so no chance of me getting it back if I cancel and as I mentioned,  my final payment isn't due until mid August so my best bet is to ride it out - right now I have nothing to lose by doing that.

Yes just dont pay any more ride it out ...if they cancel you will get something back 

Regards

John

Hi Folks

Will we see Australian Flagged Cruise ships , I feel a number of countries have picked up on the FOC issues and will for example insist that closed loop cruises from their territories are carried on ships registered in their countries for various reasons including health control issues

Regards

John

2 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

8 months is what I read.

Hmm and what ship will be brave enough to be the first to return to Sydney ....

Regards

John

At home on the wet..its bucketing down here in sunny Melbourne.. that will keep them off the beaches

Regards

John

3 minutes ago, Chiliburn said:

It was just on the radio, Sydney’s third cruise terminal at Yarra bay planning process will be delayed for 18 months.

 Strange the planning minister said the other day projects like that will be fast tracked .

Sounds like they dont expect too many ship to come back very soon

regards

John

Hi

Well the only way to Queensland now is to follow "Clancy" .. "and we dont know where he are"

so good morning written with "A thumbnail dipped in tar"

Regards

John

6 minutes ago, mek said:

While I think you are right about it not starting up again soon, (like any time this year), speculation doesn't help those of us who already have cruises booked for later in  2020 and at some point will have to decide if we want to lose our deposits or take a gamble and make final payments.  I'm glad I have until August  to decide, but there are many out there right now with final payments due for late summer/early fall cruises and they are not being treated fairly by Royal. Yes, the cruise might be canceled and they will be eligible for a full credit, but that is a risk some don't want to take - especially if a large sum of money is involved. Royal should really step up to the plate and let anyone over 70 know if for some reason cruising starts back up and they still require the doctor's release that a full credit will be given - not this lame BS that the booking can be transferred over to someone else - how generous! 

Yes , you must consider if Royal will survive this ...I wrote to the CEO and asked the question re the 70 y/o doctors note ...no reply as yet .. dont hold your breath .... if you put more money in now I suggest its quite a chance that you wont see it again

Ask for a refund ...

is not the US advise that no person over 70 should cruise??

regards

John

Having sailed round the south island I would certainly say a prayer , god help the ship that gets in trouble in those seas .. will we help them ??

Will the RNLI in UK send out a lifeboat when there is a cry for help??

Regards

John

pre bankruptcy sale  buy now before its too late

Cruising is closed ......its going to be a very long time before you have to worry about a doctors note ... 

Many cruise lines may not survive  and cruising as we know it will change 

regards

John

For Cunard a transatlantic service using all three ships might happen but ships would need to be British flagged meaning no cheap labour crew from third world countries , so prices will not be cheap

And there will be health checks at both ends the USA might start to insist that cruise ships making closed loops from the USA be confined to USA registered ships .... imagine that 

Regards

John

Hi

Cruising is closed ..at least in the foreseeable future  there are just too many forces arrayed against a restart of operations in the near future .. no cruising as we knew it is finished there will be many changes needed 

regards

John

So we send in a "Gunboat" to remove her   ....that ship is in distress and the law of the sea demands we assist her

She is in distress needs fuel / provisions at very least / people on her are in distress .. we have obligations to help 

regards

John

2 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

And certificates from medicos to allow someone to sail.

I wonder if I can get that charged to Medicare???

Hi

Yes no inside cabins and all ships restricting the number of passengers to about 2/3 of the number before virus

that would be a big start

And no over 70's with health issues 

37 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

They will price high and then lower them until the ship is full.

Hi

Many ordinary people will be very reluctant to cruise they will recall floating petri dishes and will not book

The cruise lines have their work cut out to survive this impost on their incomes

Perhaps the first thing will be to abolish inside cabins ......

The only way to get any redress will be using Lloyds open form ... cast the ship adrift with no fuel ..and then salvage her using Lloyds open form no cure no pay....you then own the ship ..... 

Each ship will be a law to itself and Flag State law will be paramount in any litigation  so be prepared for a trip to a remote courthouse in that Flag state 

18 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said:

The corporate structure of Carnival came under discussion in the context of suing the company. Carnival Australia is a Business Name. Under Australian law, a Business Name is not a 'legal entity', in that it cannot be sued directly. It is the owners of the Business Name who are sued. 

Hi 

But who owns the ship and who manages the ship ...

Hi Folks

Sorry but I think cruising as we knew it is a thing of the past .. it will be years before it recovers of at all

Regards

John

22 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

Most likely the case, which is why I want a refund.

Hi

But will you get a refund ??? or will a crack appear and the grand edifice that was cruising will start to crumble 

Same applies to the airlines it will only take   one major to fail and the rest will be in dire peril

I have not yet had my funds back from Cunard...  

Regards

John

1 hour ago, MicCanberra said:

We plan on staying in. I might escape to America for a while if I read my current book, Blood and Bone, which is ironically is Nora Roberts' book two of the Year one Series, which is about a post apocalyptic world due to a virus that kills most of the world's population.

Hi

My "Reading" is a number of audio books on youtube  of the James Heriot  (All creatures great and small) books

its a definite mental trip  to another time another place 

Regards

John

Just now, Aus Traveller said:

I am sure she would be heartened to know that while she is in isolation at Windsor Castle.

I asked for that ..... but spare a thought for poor Boris!