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  1. Kind of contradicts the article written by the investment analyst who said that the CDC was ignoring proposals from the cruise lines.
  2. It means that the Navigation Officer is bored. Probably because there is no definite destination ordered, just "head towards this area, and we'll let you know when you get close".
  3. This has always been how the CDC operates, they set guidelines or requirements, and expect the industry to provide the best possible working solution.
  4. It is optional. The certificate that the Eclipse has is for class "1C", which is a Baltic ice class rating, and does not meet the required new Polar Class "PC-6" that is required for passenger vessels in Arctic waters.
  5. That was one side's version, NCL and an investment analyst, nowhere was any feedback from the CDC even looked for in the articles I saw, so who's to say what is correct? Here's my take on the new working group:
  6. I looked up Silhouette in the DNV database (her class society). I see that her certificate of class comes due in July of 2021, so that is when any older Polar Class certificate would become invalid, but I don't even see one of the older Polar Class notations in her certificates. So, I would be very leery of whether this vessel could actually sail to the destinations it is scheduled for.
  7. The cruise lines were major participants in the working group that created the EU's interim guidelines, and those recommendations are very similar to what the CDC is looking for, so I would say that the odds of them "entertaining" most of "those measures" to be quite high. I don't see any inkling of a merger, I see an industry coming together to form a basis for knowledge exchange, much as is done at the USCG Cruise Vessel Center of Expertise, where cruise lines and maritime safety professionals get together to determine industry best practices. As another poster has said, there is very little that the naval services of the world could bring to the table on this subject. First off, naval vessels have a different mission, and therefore different design, from quarters to HVAC to sanitation, to medical, that deals almost entirely with that primary mission of combat, not housing and entertaining thousands of civilians, who likely won't "follow orders". Secondly, lets look at the US Navy's handling of covid outbreaks, to see how much expertise they brought to the table. I disagree with your assessment of the participants. You have some epidemiologists and infectious disease experts, some hospitality industry experts, and some cruise line experts. This gives you input on "what needs to be done" by the scientists and doctors, and "what can be done physically and financially" by the hospitality and cruise line experts. I also see this as a potential joining of forces to share the burden of the CDC mandated "hospital", "quarantine", and "accommodation" ships that the CDC is currently mandating, by utilizing assets across more than one fleet.
  8. Well, while they are indeed finding covid virus in sewage, it is a "broad brush stroke" thing, where they can tell if a city or area of a city is experiencing a spike in cases due to discharged virus, but as the CDC notes, there is no evidence of a spread via sewage, the one instance was in Hong Kong, where defective, broken piping allowed aerosols from the plumbing stack to be released into other homes (along with an ungodly smell, of course). A ship's vacuum toilet system would be the safest sewage system around. First off, it is a separate system from the "gray water" (sink, shower, galley, laundry drains), unlike land systems where it all goes into common drain lines. Second, it is a completely sealed system (or you could not build up the vacuum needed to operate the system), so there is even less chance of a person getting the virus from the system. The only real possible source for contamination would be the engineers working on the sewage treatment plant onboard, but they have always practiced the best possible personal and workplace hygiene for a long time, because there have been very contagious diseases in untreated sewage long before covid. And, there have been statements about toilet flushing causing aerosols to form around the toilet, and the possibility of this being a source of infection, the vacuum toilets, by their very nature, pull any aerosol spray down into the toilet because of the vacuum pulling it there.
  9. Cruise ship lobster about the same as Red Lobster
  10. The ship is being "returned" to RCI since Pullmantur never "owned" the vessel, it was only the operator or charterer. You will find that the actual "owner" of the ship is an RCI subsidiary that owns one or two ships, which is a common practice in the maritime industry. So, when a charter is finished, because Pullmantur has ceased operations, the chartered vessel is returned to its owner. Has no bearing on whether the ship would return to service with Celebrity or not, just returning property to its rightful owner for whatever disposition that owner sees fit.
  11. Nope, can have them any day of the week 😉
  12. It's not a question of whether the ship can cruise in the straits and among the islands. When she loses her polar certificate at the next drydock, she will not be allowed to sail anywhere south of 60* S.
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