jonthomas

But why more so with O than other lines? No one seems to know the answer. Must be a well guarded secret.

If you love a cruise line, my first response when there is something troubling is not to abandon all that I love about it, but to see if I can bring it to their attention. Just as some of you did with the cookies issue. Not to compare cookies to missed, shortened ports. No sane person would compare not entering a war zone port to a possible weather event.

Then it's a real puzzle, isn't it. We are big fans of O, as I'm sure everyone here knows. We have not yet missed any ports. Nor have shortened port stays bothered us. But so many others have missed ports, vital ones. When the itin is why you sail, you don't want to be with a cruise line that has the reputation for most sea days.

Thank you for the info. So then they profit. I think someone here said, they were reimbursed for the missed port(s). That would be appropriate. Although others have said , as per contract, they owe you nothing.

Some have said here that O has the dubious distinction of being the cruise line that has shortened ports and cancelled ports the most. In your opinion, why do you think this is happening? Is it all just bad luck?

Perhaps what some ports now charge is greater than the revenue generated by tours. Panama comes to mind, charging cruise lines exorbitant amounts. But again, I don't pretend to have the facts in front of me.

Don't cruise lines have to pay big bucks to be in ports, as in port charges? Aren't those included in our cruise costs? Should those port charges be refunded if the ship cancels a port while other ships are there? I am sincere in asking the questions. So I'm sure there will be someone here who will enlighten me and correct me.

Perhaps, just perhaps, the cookies are better because enough of you asked that they be improved. Since there is very little additional cost to the cruise line, a change happened. Personally I never touch them. No not "some religious thing".

Contracts are signed in good faith by both parties. If the good faith is replaced by increasing the cruise line's profit then O can expect the consumer to vote with their dollar and spend it elsewhere. Or at least, make their opinions known very loudly. That too can have its consequences. Your answer to all those who had shortened or lost ports for no apparent reason, is to say and do nothing, since they signed THE contract. I wonder how they feel with that advice. And there you go m'am.

We need some kind of united effort. When booking an itinerary, how do we hold O accountable to deliver what they have sold barring any real, unforseen circumstances? If port hours are changed after final pay, if they are changed after sailing, if ports are cancelled but other lines have no issues being there, I will protest loudly, verbally and in writing, demanding compensation. I encourage everyone to do the same. I can hear some of you saying, "good luck with that". Staying silent, negates your right to complain here or anywhere else.

completely agree with you...so well said.... what action can we take to make our voices heard above those who believe that ports should be cut and cancelled in the name of "sustainability"? folks that are champions of "sustainability" should not be sailing to support their beliefs, to do otherwise is hypocritical. if O truly believes in "sustainability" they should then be up front and post shortened port stays when releasing itins, not advertise the long hours and then switch.... its the dishonesty about the reasons for the cuts that is troublesome..... there are unavoidable changes, we all understand that, we are not discussing that... but O is being called out here for being the number one line for most cancelled and shortened ports. It is unacceptable.

Suspicious and concerned. O now being our line of choice. A consumer is now faced with bait and switch. Itineraries are only possibilities and can't be trusted . So what can we do other than switch lines. Make our displeasure known more loudly, in every way possible. As for any here who are into saving the planet by applauding Os actions, make it more than just about words, go live in a cave.

We have been everywhere we want to go and some places several times. We eat very little at home or out and love good food on a ship, totally opposite the poster above. Now we are into a calmer atmosphere, good food, activities that encourage meeting others. O gives us that and more. And we have to be willing to pay for it. Now we are also paying for those that enjoy wine with meals, not ideal for us.

We have done 2 azamara, for us the food on A does not compare to O, not even close. So we will pay the big bucks but cruise less in 2025.

I understand and many are feeling just like that. If food didn't matter quite as much to us, we would also be questioning the high prices. We have chosen to do less cruises instead. Won't reach the large loyalty markers quite that soon, if ever.

thank you for posting this...

we did this itin in 2018 on Celebs Infinity.....all pacific coastal ports were good at that time...... Celeb not so much...one of our last Celeb cruises... now it would be the opposite....Oceania is great....

LA as an end point is ok, as we would fly home from there, not intending to stay over. We like the itin we booked and hope things in panama only improve, drought issues, large charges for ships to cross, etc. It is in Dec, a prime time to be doing the canal. We also managed to snag a french balcony and use an FCC, so can have one cancellation in case things dont work out.

and please do not assume I am panicking...there is a difference between gathering info and panicking...

glad nothing changed for you.... love that the start point for us is MIA...not SFO, just been to SFO, will not book an itin with it...not a great city anymore, JMO.

and you were lucky that he did...as we were as well....

now some lines are cancelling their panama itineraries....cost for lines have risen sharply, RCI has fully refunded their panama canal itins.

no way would I be interested in Mexico... will have to watch and see what happens... we used an FCC so no penalty for one cancellation.... thank you Tom...

does anyone have this itinerary in their future? has O changed your itinerary? to what?

booked a panama canal for dec of 2025, will have to be careful if they change the itin since canal is very dry...dont want them to do more of mexico or more of pacific coast... will see what they are doing about canal this year.... anyone have their itin change? to what? maybe will post it as a new topic....