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  1. The Defense Production Act cannot magically remove constraints--but it is not just about ordering greater production. It also allows the government to cut the line by ordering that all production must be sold to the US notwithstanding contracts with other countries. There are obvious foreign relations issues involved in such a move. The Biden admin has been ambiguous about *how* it might use the DPA.
  2. The 7 day limit is intended to minimize the chance that Covid patients develop a need for ICU care while they are "stuck" on a ship. Seven day itineraries stay closer to home, and can quickly return to port in an emergency. Plus, if someone does catch Covid while on the ship, they are unlikely to develop a need for ICU-type care within the next 7 days. Much more possible in 14. So, the goal isn't really to keep the virus out of the country (we already have plenty), but rather to decrease the possibility of a bad situation developing during a cruise.
  3. Our school district (Scottsdale) requires incoming students to be vaccinated, but in practice it's an honor system where they accept an assurance of the vaccinations that have been obtained. If they tried to review written proof, they'd be vetting 10,000 different pieces of paper, as there is no uniformity (plus 10,000 explanations why written proof was lost or unavailable). They just aren't set up for that. I totally agree that some system to verify COVID vaccination could be set up. But vaccinations start Monday, three days from now, and there appears to be no system beyond
  4. The type of paper card shown in the article can be useful as a personal reminder. It is useless as a form of reliable proof to third parties. Plus there is no "central registry" and no time to create one, as millions of people are going to get vaccinated very soon, maybe next week. We had 8+ months to develop a system to provide proof of vaccination. It looks like the best we could do is ink on a paper slip, like the 1920s. I commend the efforts of Walgreens and CVS, but in coming months Americans will be getting vaccines at thousands of different locations--drugstores, hospi
  5. Because a big winter wave looks inevitable, I think a vaccine will be necessary before cruises can restart. Ironically, the initial rollout of a vaccine could delay a restart by creating a reason to wait "just a few more months." If scarce vaccine supplies are only available to a few, that will not feel like the right time. There will be a sense to wait until the vaccine is widely available. I have heard people estimate that could happen in a broad range from like Feb to June, but I have no idea.
  6. The fluctuation in year to year death numbers is exactly what yesterday's CDC report was about. Total deaths in the US have been running well above normal since March. There were two peaks in excess deaths in March/April and June/July, which coincided with the peaks in virus infection. It is known with certainty how many people died--they are counted one by one and reported to the National Vital Statistics System at CDC. This is compared to a statistical "average" from prior years. The result is that, so far in 2020, there have been 299,000 more deaths than normal. Separa
  7. The CDC just published this data on excess deaths in 2020 as compared to normal years. From January 26 through October 3, 216,000 deaths were formally attributed to COVID. During that same period there were, in fact, 299,000 more deaths than occur during that period in a normal year. The inference is that COVID has killed many more people than the formal death counts. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm?s_cid=mm6942e2_w
  8. This readout was prepared by communications staff. I assume that Redfield or (more likely) Azar used the word "backstop," which is government/management jargon. My guess as to what was meant is this: the cruise industry must ensure that the proposed guidelines are actually implemented--assurances on paper will not suffice.
  9. Handwashing is wonderful. It greatly reduces the transmission of diseases such as norovirus, which are transmitted through what is delicately called the fecal-oral route. But handwashing doesn't prevent much Covid, which is predominantly a respiratory virus. A person infected with Covid can scrub their hands perfectly sterile, but they will still be exhaling virus with every breath.
  10. The OP has well described where we are at. We love cruising and miss it. Of all the potential measures being discussed, there is no one "deal breaker" for us. It's not that we are scared either--it's just an aggregate feeling that this is not the experience we are looking for right now. As time passes, things will work out and return to normal, and we really look forward to that day. To those who want to cruise as soon as possible, I understand and wish you well. But for the time being, we will have to rely on other other types of vacation.
  11. What will take time is getting a 2000+ person crew ready. The engineering department has been staffed continually since March, but the other departments (hotel, food service, passenger services) will have to be largely reconstituted and trained. Many of these people will probably not be admissible through US immigration, so they can't just fly into Miami and drive to the ship. And the plan that the industry submitted to CDC had a gradual workup--shoreside "practice" cruises, followed by crew-only cruises with crew pretending to be passengers, etc. Tracking the physical movemen
  12. Just thinking in terms of the business viability of cruise lines, I believe "masks supposedly required/but no enforcement" may be the worst scenario. Consider three situations: 1. "Masks required/fully enforced." Some won't like this, and may choose not to cruise. But the actual cruise experience would correspond to stated policy, plus this scenario should minimize disease. 2. "Masks entirely optional." Some seem to want this scenario. Many others would choose not to cruise for now. This scenario would provide less protection against disease (and the CDC may not allow this
  13. Norovirus is transmitted by surfaces. It's been a perennial risk on cruise ships, but norovirus didn't kill self-serve buffets. They just used servers during outbreaks. Apparently many people like serving themselves. Unlike norovirus, coronavirus is mostly (almost exclusively?) transmitted through the air. The risk of buffets lies in the crowding, which is much like the risk posed by the theater, tenders, and many other things. Once they "solve" the virus problem in a way that allows a restart of cruising, buffets will still be around. I'd expect to see servers, etc., dur
  14. Well, I too have just learned how to use the "ignore" function. So happy I will no longer see someone's selfish, self-absorbed, impulsive, simpleminded and unhelpful posts!
  15. Good point on the luggage. Taking everyone's temperature sounds like an easy step until you think through the ramifications. Fever is a common symptom for all sorts of infections and chronic conditions. If everyone with a fever is denied boarding at the last minute, will they (and their travelling groups) get their fare refunded? Who would pay thousands of dollars for a cruise if they risk forfeiting everything if they get a cold the day before it leaves? Travel insurance often provides coverage only when there is hospitalization, not just a mild fever. Then of course the
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