fragilek

15 minutes ago, kathy49 said:

it is really not up to them at this point...the "cruise" is over!

 Agreed- I would go for it in a heart beat as the safer option - however, the masses will still need to be kept appeased or there could be trouble on board, they may need security on this ship if certain decisions are are taken.  I am sure the response to even being quarantine will not be taken as passively as it was on the Diamond after what resulted from that. At this stage we just have to hope  that it is "just" flu. 

This was they very thing that a lot of us envisaged happening when we were canceling or halting plans  over last  few weeks.  There is no way I would be setting foot on any cruise anywhere until all this is over.

9 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

I'm not going to get into all of the theory of testing, or the politics of it, I'm just going to put out some facts about suggestions made here.

 

A US military MRE (meal, ready to eat) weighs an average of 22 oz, so 3 meals a day for 3700 people amounts to 15 tons of supplies to be airlifted to the ship.  The USCG MH-65 SAR helicopter is 1 ton slung underneath.  So, this would require 15 trips per day just to feed the ship, with the attendant stress on flight crew for repeated hovering over a moving ship at sea.

 

As for supply boats coming to the ship with supplies, the transfers mentioned are in a protected anchorage, where neither vessel is moving, and the freighters and tankers have cranes to lift the supplies off the boats.  At sea, the ship would need to be moving, albeit slowly, to keep heading to prevent rolling, and the boat would need to maintain station alongside.  Now, when was the last time you saw a crane on a cruise ship?  Even opening the normal storing ports on the ship, these are over 10 feet above the water, so how do you lift things that high and then sling them into the ship?  That just isn't gonna happen.

 

As for water, the ship should be well stocked with water made on the crossing from Hawaii, but that would only last 4-5 days before getting to critical levels, so the ship could make more, but would need to speed up to around 16 knots or so to produce enough waste heat to make water.

 

As to the speed of the ship, it does not "need to make headway", it could just as easily "hove to" and maintain its position, only opposing the wind, waves, and current.  However, a more prudent course to make the ride comfortable for the pax would be to just maintain "steerageway" (just fast enough that the rudders work), which can be as little as 5 knots through the water, which, if facing into seas/current, could be as little as 1-2 knots "over the ground" (the speed you see on AIS tracking sites).

 glad I am not hill walking with you lol the  emergency 5 day pack my daughter uses is 5 kg (176oz total for 5 days)  3 meals a a day 1640 calories a day thus mass per day for the ship 112640oz which I think is usa 3.5 tons so 4 drops a day  - still a task but doable - however, I pictured a port side load of these enough for 5 days at a time rather than drops. Still I don't see  most cruiser types buying into dinner from a packet

2 minutes ago, teddyd33 said:

 

Yeah, lack of testing kits and perhaps this is the minimum sample size needed to get a "good enough" result 

 from the latest update I am not even sure they have tested everyone who was on the B2B as reports now say only 45 samples taken and I am sure I read that there were more than that when those with symptoms (who I assume were definitely tested in the 45 samples) and those on B2B were added together.  Can any update and clarify this?

6 hours ago, tk2fast said:

 

That's not good if more kids/young adults are getting it. Families are usually in close proximity to each other so possible longer exposure to an infected person equals a worse infection.

 

Two items that seem to be clear for getting it are, poor immune system and advanced age and those with advance age might be more susceptible because of poor immune systems. 

 

There are a few things I take to boost my immune system but can't mention them here as I was censored for doing so earlier. Ugh!

Kids were always getting it , the difference is in how there bodies respond and cope with it.  So far they appear to do OK and shake it off, but that doesn't either mean all will be fine (there are kids with underlying issues and our data set is not big enough to see how they cope) or that they don't pass on to others in the same way adults do

4 hours ago, jwattle said:

Using a helicopter to bring one round of test kits versus 3700 meals these times a day...totally different scenarios

There would be a way to provide meals but I am not sure the passengers would be happy- survival meals - hill-walking mountaineering packs could be sent in - Some require hot water (palettes of kettles would need dropped off for those) but some are just eaten from packs.  The biggest problem would be water as the meal packs could be sent in to each cabin to last several days (they take up very little space) but enough fresh water for would take up much more space,  so  this would still require daily deliveries thus so only eliminates some risk.  If I was on board I would be up for that rather than have my meals made on board I also wouldn't come out of my cabin for deck time at all during the quarantine period.  However, I would imagine there would be an outcry if this was suggested. 

  Imagine Matthew Smiths face if this had happened to him in the Diamond 😉

 from some I am following on twitter

Just announced that it will be room service only, that passengers stay in their state rooms. Menus will be distributed for food choices.

3 minutes ago, Colo Cruiser said:

Oh ok just the Hawaii cruise.

Thanks

sorry if I mislead you, I am not on any cruise - I am posting info from someone from twitter who is on the cruise now 

think this is the most appropriate quote I have seen

Everything we do before a pandemic will seem alarmist. Everything we do after will seem inadequate.’

13 minutes ago, Colo Cruiser said:

Were you on for the Mexico cruise prior to Hawaii?

No 

Just announced that it will be room service only, that passengers stay in their state rooms. Menus will be distributed for food choices.

5 minutes ago, rabidstoat said:

 

 

Okay, then where are you going to put all the space aliens?

 may be they will be immune so all will be fine 😬

from a person updating twitter from there mum on board

UPDATE: "The ship will get test results tomorrow morning and then make a decision of what to do with us. Means we are not going on land today." -Mom No strict confinement, apparently, but a suggestion for diners to return to their state rooms.

They are suggesting that people skip a seat between each person when sitting in the dining rooms and also to maintain a distance of six feet from everyone else in general.

Foods are served to plates rather than self-served - Helicopters will come back this evening to pick up lab samples - The ship will NOT dock today in San Francisco

https://twitter.com/Qgirl50/status/1235674883021041674/photo/1

looks like they are getting told to go to their cabins

2 minutes ago, Caymus88 said:

It has been discovered there are two strains of this virus.  Called L and S

one is much more aggressive than the other

And you can have both.

a big setback for a vaccine

I don’t know how to post links. 
The UK Telegraph

 There are also now discussions around the S (less aggressive form) having being around - may even have been pandemic- since September - and has mutated to the L form.  A lot of work ongoing to prove or disprove this.  But it is very interesting as I was on a costa cruise (it will be our one and only costa try) from Italy last Oct and we were conspicuous in that we were one of the few who did  not have a hellish cough. Even before the cruise on land we were dogging coughing folk all the time.

2 hours ago, luckyinpa said:

 

but who will prevent you from getting it the day after you pass the test while you are at the store. so how often does everyone need to be tested. if you start thinking about this, theres almost no point to testing in a way.  unless you test everyone every day then successfully lock that person away for a while. 

 Eventually that is were we will end up - only testing for those needing hospital treatment to determined what treatment - ( viral v bacterial) and for death certs.  But for now we are still in WHO containment phase thus testing and isolation must be carried out also some countries are trying to use a delay strategy to get to summer, taking some pressures off the healthcare systems - Once declared pandemic and endemic in a country and delay process is over, the ship is in this will be treated differently. But by then some ships may be  temporary layed up due to this issue.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1MYxNkDvBvRKw?t=10m2s

California Governor Newsom: a number of passengers and crew on Grand Princess cruise ship have developed symptoms, they will be tested while ship is held off the coast of California. Passengers still on ship from previous cruise will also be tested.

The Grand  Princess is now in the same situation.  2 people who left on the last sailing have been diagnosed - 1 of whom died today.

The ship has missed it's last ports and is now on it's way back to SF.  The people who were doing a back to back have been told to stay in there cabins until they are checked and released.  No idea what happens next.

1 hour ago, villauk said:

 

 

It doesn’t matter what precautions those on Diamond took, the final result was out of their hands. It’s like saying we’ll take hard-hats in case our ship is pelted with bricks and boulders like on the Sun. There are so many unknowns in the current climate.

 Also until everything about this virus is known (and that won't be for a while yet especially if it mutates as most new viruses do in their early years, initially usually to more potent then over time to less so).  What we regard as reasonable precautions now may not be actually be enough in the cold light of day.

22 minutes ago, AlyssaJames said:

 

How does that change the death / patient ratio?

 the ratio is impacted 2 ways 

older demographic - may  increase death rate stats 

being constantly monitored and therefore receiving immediate care - may reduce death rate compared with real life were that monitoring will not happen. 

This subset is flawed and  cannot be used  to define any stats 

New is saying 1st British death from the ship (a man)-   In the Mirror paper 

edited to add also on BBC news

 Has anyone heard any further information re the Japanese passengers who had been released but had started to show symptoms of illness and were to be re-tested.  I would have thought Japan would have made it front line news if they had comeback as negative.

34 minutes ago, Psoque said:

There is a report of ONE person in Japan turning positive after disembarkation.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/23/coronavirus-woman-on-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-tested-positive-after-disembarking

I would say "so many of those..." is not correct.

 Correct that only one has so far tested +ve however today the authorities have stated that 45 are now displaying symptoms and are being retested.

 The fall out from the Diamond is hitting all regions just heard Costa Magica has been turned away from St Lucia - Some on ship is blaming fear of the virus

1 hour ago, fragilek said:

On here several mentions of how the diamond passengers badly affected were elderly. Just an update from Germany.  Their latest case is a 25yr old man from italy who was diagnosed yesterday and is now critical. One report has stated he had no underlying health issues  although i cant see how that would be known by the press.

 correction the bbc just corrected this to say a 47yr old is critical 25yr old just ill

5 hours ago, npcl said:

Well that makes it pretty clear.  As the saying goes the experiment failed.

 

Wonder how the US is going to deal with those that stayed. Now that it appears that symptoms are developing even in those that completed the process.  Should see some confirmation in the next couple of days when they are actually tested.

 A lot on here saw that coming.  Hope most kept themselves inside as much as possible as was requested, however, we know from following their twitter feeds some thought they knew better.