Is there a lot of Smoking on board?

[1corona4u]

Sorry, you misunderstood my post. I dont have the friend, it was a sarcastic remark for all of those people who do believe my smoke is killing them.

I cant believe you are a non-smoker with the views you have- so very rare.

 

Well, here is why I have that opinion. Both of my parents smoked for 60 years. Both of them lived until they were well into their late 80's. My dad rolled his own cig's his entire life. Smoked Prince Albert, in a can, LOL. As you know, there were no filters on those home made cigs. My mom died of pneumonia, and my dad died from complications from a broken hip.

 

So I am not a doctor, but, I think some people can be predisposed to have vulnerabilities in their bodies, and where someone may die of lung cancer from smoke, or second hand smoke, others would not.

 

For the other part of why I feel this way, all of my friends smoke and I see what they go through. And how they are treated.

[dc-snoopy]

Let me preface by saying that I am a non-smoker and DW is allergic to smoke which makes her physically ill.

 

My problem is with any substance which "reaches beyond the end of the user's nose" or about 5 foot. Not only does that include second-hand smoke, but it includes those people who feel that they have to apply perfume/cologne/scent until they can smell it themselves (which is far more than they need for others to smell it around them). There are people who sit in the theatre and you can smell them from about 10-12 feet away. That's even more obnoxious to me than second hand smoke, but they are both problems.

 

Since more and more people are becoming chemically sensitive, both issues are getting worse. DW postulates that the reason that so many more people are becoming chemically sensitive is that there are more and more chemicals humans are using in their environment and they are overloading many people's immune system and they are starting to react to more. In any event, the problems are getting worse and that is why the issue becomes more sensitive and touches off more people. In the case of second-hand smoke, there needs to be a way to isolate the smokers so that the smoke doesn't impact non-smokers. The problem I have with the casino is that they use the casino as a through-way on that deck. Many people including non-smokers have to be able to walk through to get to the theater or back to the shops. Personally, I like the Maryland laws. Smoking indoors is only allowed when the smoking area is walled off from the non-smoking area and has a separate ventillation system. They also cannot have rest rooms that require non-smokers to walk through a smoking area. There are exceptions (bars and restaurants with bars have different rules). If the cruise lines adhered to policies that allowed smokers to smoke in ways that did not impact non-smokers then I would be more supportive.

[1corona4u]

Let me preface by saying that I am a non-smoker and DW is allergic to smoke which makes her physically ill.

 

My problem is with any substance which "reaches beyond the end of the user's nose" or about 5 foot. Not only does that include second-hand smoke, but it includes those people who feel that they have to apply perfume/cologne/scent until they can smell it themselves (which is far more than they need for others to smell it around them). There are people who sit in the theatre and you can smell them from about 10-12 feet away. That's even more obnoxious to me than second hand smoke, but they are both problems.

 

Since more and more people are becoming chemically sensitive, both issues are getting worse. DW postulates that the reason that so many more people are becoming chemically sensitive is that there are more and more chemicals humans are using in their environment and they are overloading many people's immune system and they are starting to react to more. In any event, the problems are getting worse and that is why the issue becomes more sensitive and touches off more people. In the case of second-hand smoke, there needs to be a way to isolate the smokers so that the smoke doesn't impact non-smokers. The problem I have with the casino is that they use the casino as a through-way on that deck. Many people including non-smokers have to be able to walk through to get to the theater or back to the shops. Personally, I like the Maryland laws. Smoking indoors is only allowed when the smoking area is walled off from the non-smoking area and has a separate ventillation system. They also cannot have rest rooms that require non-smokers to walk through a smoking area. There are exceptions (bars and restaurants with bars have different rules). If the cruise lines adhered to policies that allowed smokers to smoke in ways that did not impact non-smokers then I would be more supportive.

 

Dc, I also heard Dr. Dean Edell talking the other day about people who use scented candles, and their dangers, not just fires, but the toxins they give off. And air fresheners, they can contain formaldehyde.(which has been found to cause LUNG CANCER) Not only that, but hairspray and other sprays contain VOC's that can harm people's lungs as well. There are lots of things that may harm us.

 

Here is an article that bolsters what I said above about being predisposed for lung cancer.

 

http://www.healthcentral.com/news/NewsFullText.cfm?id=524245

 

Here is the first part;

 

 

 

 

More Genetic Clues to Lung Cancer's Cause

 

 

 

 

 

TUESDAY, March 1 (HealthDay News) -- Researchers say they've identified two gene mutations key to the development of lung cancer, with one occuring more often in people who've never smoked.

 

Experts and physicians have long suspected that an individual smoker's genes help determine who gets lung cancer. In this latest study of lung cancer patients from the United States, Japan, Taiwan and Australia, researchers at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center found that mutations in a specific domain of the epidermal growth factor receptor (EGFR) gene were more common in people who'd never smoked (51 percent) than in smokers (10 percent)......................

 

 

The findings also suggest that something outside of exposure to secondhand smoke might be to blame for many of the lung cancers seen in nonsmokers, according to the researchers.

 

I rest my case.:)

[dc-snoopy]

Personally I am less concerned with the long term effects for many of the reasons that you cite. I agree that there is more danger from driving, operating power tools, working in dangerous conditions, etc. What I am concerned with are the growing numbers of folks who have more immediate respiratory problems or allergic reaction problems due to inhalents such as smoke, chemical fragrances, and yes, candles and hair spray (this is a chronic problem for DW as we are theatre performers and so many performers will use these items in the dressing rooms rather than go outside to use them). I find this to be a more sound reason to limit the public exposure to such contaminants.

[DeanD]

Well, I am also in Florida, and where I live, most all of the bars and restaurants have added patios or veranda's to their establishments to try to win back the smokers, so who's to say what the % really is. I am not sure it is published anywhere. I have been into this conversation many, many times, on and off this board, and what I have an issue with, even as a non smoker, is the way non smokers treat smokers as if they have no rights, or like they are second class citizens.

 

As to whether or not second hand smoke will kill someone, I suppose it could, if you were locked in a closet for 40 years with a smoker. Remember, these same people( the government) are also the same people who have approved of shoveling every kind of drug into people, for any illness that they were able to attach a name to, which can also kill people.(Vioxx, 55k people died!!) Celebrex, etc.) Even Aleve, aspirin, and Ibuprofen can kill you. Do any of you non smokers ever stop and think about what you do personally that can kill you, or do you just focus on what someone else MAY do that might harm you??

 

So I don't buy it. If the government had their way, and everyone on the planet stopped smoking, they would just find something else to replace the threat. But rest assured that it would not be alcohol, because the politicians are all alcoholics.

 

Bottom line, we are all going to die of something, there are threats everywhere you turn. I for one am not going to obsess over whether or not someone standing next to me, or someone on the balcony next to me, is having a cigarette, and their smoke is wafting over to my side, because it just isn't worth my time to give it a second thought.

 

Now what does concern me, is the drug and alcohol riddled society we are living in. It to me, is far, far, more dangerous than anything else in my mind. I am not talking about illegal drugs either. I am specifically talking about how people are dependent on prescription drugs. Yes, people are living longer, so some would say, "better living through chemistry", but I think the population has just bought into this hook line and sinker. Drug companies, and the government and their lobbyist are getting rich, while people spend their money on drugs they have convinced you that you need. Point is, the next prescription you get from the doctor, may just kill you too.

 

Didn't mean to make a book out of this, but that's the way I see the "evils" of this planet at this time.

Back the truck up. all I addressed was the issue of whether smokers spend more or not and then made a joke about the super soaker.. Obviously you have issues. If you want to debate the reasonableness of allowing smoking, we can do that but I see that as a totally different thread.