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[Uniall]

[quote name='Max49']I completely agree with this statement; but it seems incredulous that Costa/ Carnival executives entrusted this wreckless, dare devil psychopath to responsible for the safety of the ship, crew and passengers by making him captain and absolute power over his crew. Since the rest of the crew seems more normal and keeping their mouth shut, I'd be willing to bet , they won't hold much back about their feeling for their previous boss when and if they testify in this case.
I imagine Schetino's attorneys already have a 'plan B' to plead 'not guilty for reason of insanity' and they have additional evidence for this because their client has been not able to keep his mout shut and can't remember his previous story.
Now, can the person, persons or board from Costa/ Carnival that promoted him to captain be held accountable for entrusting him for that position? Seems to me at very least they should also be looking for a new industry to be working in. I certainly would not trust their judgement.[/quote]

Max

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[watertheodds]

[quote name='MorganMars']Watertheodds,

Thank you, so much for your work on this translation. Just wanted you to know I've read every word.

Morgan Mars[/quote]


Awesome. You are welcome!

[sidari]

Max ... Did it occur to you that the others involved are saying nothing because they are still employed by Costa? unlike Schettino.

[Mike.Minh]

[quote name='sidari']Great pictures, notice the Tug holding the crane barge steady during the lifting process in picture 3.[/QUOTE]

Great pictures, thank you.

The "crane barge" is nothing less than the world's most advanced heavy lifting ship. With the latest Dynamic Positioning Systems, would they really need a conventional tug to keep them in position?

Full details about the ship can be found here: [URL="http://sal-heavylift.com/uploads/tx_saldownloads/SAL_Type_183_DP2_leaflet_web_01.pdf"]http://sal-heavylift.com/uploads/tx_saldownloads/SAL_Type_183_DP2_leaflet_web_01.pdf[/URL]

[sidari]

Mike ... Take a look at the picture again and you will notice that the ship is tilting towards the Concordia as can be seen by the sea level on the stern, the Tug is possibly there in order to help prevent it tipping over! cannot think of any other reason that there would be a line between the ship and the Tug. Edited March 13, 2013 by sidari

[Max49]

[quote name='sidari']Max ... Did it occur to you that the others involved are saying nothing because they are still employed by Costa? unlike Schettino.[/quote]

Yes, and when charges are pending, if they are represented by an attorney they usually don't reccomend talking to the press and giving interviews.
Schettino seems to be a good example why his attorney would want him to stay quiet and out of sight, IMO of course

[sidari]

Max ... you may be right but it seems strange that Schettino`s lawyer had not reined him in, maybe he is hoping that he will win some people over by his interviews.

[Mike.Minh]

Well, we can indeed see that M/V Svenja is listing slightly. No surprise really when hundreds of tons of steel hang 'over board'. And yes of course, positioning is one thing, but no onboard thruster can work against listing. Hence the tug, I'd think.

On another observation, the platform was turned 90° between pic 4 and 5. How did they do that? Maybe an easy thing for them.

Even bigger platforms (or platform parts) will come. We will see more.

[SomeBeach]

[quote name='sidari']Max ... you may be right but it seems strange that Schettino`s lawyer had not reined him in, maybe he is hoping that he will win some people over by his interviews.[/quote]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue]Schettino has always felt he has to be his own PR person. As his story changes, (slipped, fell, jumped in the lifeboat) he only hurts himself so he's not doing a very good job.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff]Carnival is sure having its share of issues. Another ship in trouble in St Maarten. At least this time it was moored and pax are being flown home from there.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[BlackHawk1]

As far as the list on the crane barge, that would be controlled by onboard ballast tanks ( pump water into them as required) Tug would have nothing to do with it.

Turning the platform is not a real problem as you will notice they have two cranes hooked up to it. The turning would be accomplished by placement of the crane booms. Regards.

[cruiserfanfromct]

Schettino has always felt he has to be his own PR person. As his story changes, (slipped, fell, jumped in the lifeboat) he only hurts himself so he's not doing a very good job.

Agreed... plus remember that Schettino's lawyer until the end of 2012, Bruno Leparotti, called it quits -- probably because he had a loose canon and deadbeat for a client. Every time Schettino opens his mouth he digs himself in a little deeper. It's not surprising Leparotti fired his a$$.

 

On another note, Schettino's dismissal (his firing from Costa) trial has been postponed by the Labor Court to July 4th.

 

http://www.agi.it/genova/notizie/201303141122-cro-rt10076-concordia_processo_lavoro_schettino_rinviato_al_4_luglio

 

Anyone have any news on Schettino's book deal?

It must be forthcoming since I imagine he needs the funds to pay his new lawyer.

[cruiserfanfromct]

Max ... Did it occur to you that the others involved are saying nothing because they are still employed by Costa? unlike Schettino.

How about Miss Moldovia? She is no longer employed by Costa and is not being indicted so she is free to talk yet she has stopped talking -- so has Schettino's wife for that matter -- she has stopped supporting him like she did at the start. Wonder what's up? :eek:

[SomeBeach]

Have to wonder how much more bad PR Carnival Corp can handle. Triump last month, Dream a few days ago, and now Legend. Each time something happens, TV reporters mention Concordia because it is under the brand name.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/more-mess-for-carnival-tampas-legend-having-trouble/2109071

[Uniall]

Have to wonder how much more bad PR Carnival Corp can handle. Triump last month, Dream a few days ago, and now Legend. Each time something happens, TV reporters mention Concordia because it is under the brand name.

 

http://www.tampabay.com/news/more-mess-for-carnival-tampas-legend-having-trouble/2109071

 

 

Perhaps there's more in play here than coincidences.

 

I beginning to think Captain Coward caused a rent in the fabric of space and time. :eek:

 

It may be that the "Curse of Schittino" will continue to plague Carnival/Costa until he is brought to justice and sitting in an 8' x 4' room with bars on the window and door. ;)

[Tonka's Skipper]

Sid!

 

 

Please explain Carnival Line?...For that matter Carnival Inc.?...........4 vessels in less then 2 months with major issues?

 

Please don't go with the # of vessels they run, becuase it doesnt add up when you compare them to other line or lines bunched together?

 

 

AKK

Edited March 15, 2013 by Tonka's Skipper

[Tonka's Skipper]

FROM CNN

Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the chairman of the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, sent a letter Wednesday to Micky Arison, the chief executive officer of Carnival Corp.

"The Coast Guard has responded to a string of 90 marine casualty incidents with passengers onboard Carnival ships in the last five years," the West Virginia Democrat wrote. "It seems that

Carnival has failed to take any meaningful course of corrective action after these continual incidents. This needs to change."

When are people going to start making Carnivail linbe be accountable for they operation?

AKK

[SomeBeach]

Hhmm. Wanted to check something in the link I provided but the story isn't coming up now. Course I know y'all have seen or heard about this latest so no big deal.

Carnival needs to take a close look at its engines or the people in charge of them.

[Ratt]

FROM CNN

Sen. Jay Rockefeller' date=' the chairman of the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, sent a letter Wednesday to Micky Arison, the chief executive officer of Carnival Corp.[/font']

"The Coast Guard has responded to a string of 90 marine casualty incidents with passengers onboard Carnival ships in the last five years," the West Virginia Democrat wrote. "It seems that

Carnival has failed to take any meaningful course of corrective action after these continual incidents. This needs to change."

When are people going to start making Carnivail linbe be accountable for they operation?

AKK

 

Wonder what the cause of the casualties were?

 

If it's from natural causes, what is Carnival or any other cruise line going to do to prevent them?

[Tonka's Skipper]

Wonder what the cause of the casualties were?

 

If it's from natural causes, what is Carnival or any other cruise line going to do to prevent them?

 

 

In fairness I am sure some of them are minor *galley and closet fires..but there is certantly a pattern here......even Carnival line stated this week at the criuse convention, that they need to do a total review of all 24 of their vessels.

 

I am NOT a accountant, but I truly beleive those cheap cruises have to of had a result of cutting corners in design, biulding, maintaince, operation of their fleet. I also beleive it effects some of thier other lines.

 

 

This is now 3 vessels in 1 day..the Dream dead in the water(at the dock in St Martin), passigners being flown home, the legend limping home after missing a port, and the Elegent needing a tugboat escort due to steering problems.

 

 

Right now their stock is going down and down and trading at 2.4 times the normal rate.

 

Carnival is due to annouce a reduced revenues, due to lower booking. I.E. the trumpht...........you have to wonder after today how many are cancelling.......and if they don't permit cancelling...the public reaction........which will likely be further reduction in bookings.

 

 

AKK

Edited March 15, 2013 by Tonka's Skipper

[Ratt]

In fairness I am sure some of them are minor *galley and closet fires..but there is certantly a pattern here......even Carnival line stated this week at the criuse convention' date=' that they need to do a total review of all 24 of their vessels.

 

I am NOT a accountant, but I truly beleive those cheap cruises have to of had a result of cutting corners in design, biulding, maintaince, operation of their fleet. I also beleive it effects some of thier other lines.

 

 

This is now 3 vessels in 1 day..the Dream dead in the water(at the dock in St Martin), passigners being flown home, the legend limping home after missing a port, and the Elegent needing a tugboat escort due to steering problems.

 

 

Right now their stock is going down and down and trading at 2.4 times the normal rate.

 

Carnival is due to annouce a reduced revenues, due to lower booking. I.E. the trumpht...........you have to wonder after today how many are cancelling.......and if they don't permit cancelling...the public reaction........which will likely be further reduction in bookings.

 

 

AKK[/quote']

 

I agree that cheaper means cutting something and many times cuts are across the board. Knowing how most corporations work, there is a much better chance that maintenance cuts took place than executives pay cuts.

 

Something that I haven't researched to get the details for but I've read in a couple of places is that many of the older ships (Carnival has a lot) were built in a way that have more single points of failure. I've also read that some of Royal's ships have had problems but because they don't have the single points of failure they did not become bigger problems.

 

To the best of my knowledge the Triumph issue has never been blamed on poor maintenance. It was related to an item that is to be inspected on a regular basis but again I haven't heard that the item had not been inspected.

 

As for the Dream. The backup / emergency generator failed during a normal test. The reason for testing of backup / emergency equipment is to make sure that the equipment is working. In this case the test did what is was supposed to do and as a result Carnival did the right thing and cancelled the rest of the cruise and is taking care of the passengers.

 

I'm sure the captain's defense team is already trying to figure out how to use the poor maintenance issue at Carnival to take some of the pressure off of the captain. :rolleyes:

[sidari]

Tonka .... Long time no see, welcome back ... :) not sure where you are coming from with the post you made below!

 

Sid!

Please explain Carnival Line?...For that matter Carnival Inc.?...........4 vessels in less then 2 months with major issues?

 

Please don't go with the # of vessels they run, becuase it doesnt add up when you compare them to other line or lines bunched together?

 

 

This below reminds me of what CS has been saying all along !! despite being given a hard time by many on this thread.

 

"I am NOT an accountant, but I truly beleive those cheap cruises have to of had a result of cutting corners in design, biulding, maintaince, operation of their fleet. I also beleive it effects some of thier other lines."

 

As for the Dream a new ship it has to make you wonder what is going on, at least they decided not to contunue sailing and got the passengers off and on their way home.

 

Some of the deaths over the 5 year mentioned period will be likely people going overboard and with the best will in the world there is nothing a cruise line can do about that if someone decideds to jump!

Edited March 15, 2013 by sidari

[Tonka's Skipper]

Tonka .... Long time no see, welcome back ... :) not sure where you are coming from with the post you made below!

 

Sid!

Please explain Carnival Line?...For that matter Carnival Inc.?...........4 vessels in less then 2 months with major issues?

 

Please don't go with the # of vessels they run, becuase it doesnt add up when you compare them to other line or lines bunched together?

 

 

This below reminds me of what CS has been saying all along !! despite being given a hard time by many on this thread.

 

"I am NOT an accountant, but I truly beleive those cheap cruises have to of had a result of cutting corners in design, biulding, maintaince, operation of their fleet. I also beleive it effects some of thier other lines."

 

As for the Dream a new ship it has to make you wonder what is going on, at least they decided not to contunue sailing and got the passengers off and on their way home.

 

Some of the deaths over the 5 year mentioned period will be likely people going overboard and with the best will in the world there is nothing a cruise line can do about that if someone decideds to jump!

 

 

Hi sid, sorry , I was half joking with you and half a real question...I know you are a fan of Carnivail Inc. and today/this week was not one of their better times!

 

The Dream had a major breakdown, they had to fly all the passigners home and cancell at least one 1 cruise..the elegend also had a major main enegine failure...........resulting in her leimping home , mising 1 port and to top it off.the Elation had steering problem and had to be helped in to port with a tug.

 

 

They have indeed been having there problems...........frankly I would not let my family sail with them.!

 

No disrepect intended!

 

 

AKK

[CruisersNC]

All but 1 of our cruises has been on Carnival. We've seen a sharp decline in the quality this past year and a half. They've clearly made major cutbacks in food, entertainment, and staff. They've also changed their past guest programs by cutting back benefits while trying to spin it in a way to make people think its been improved. Would it surprise me if they've made changes in their maintenance to save money....no it wouldn't. I think they're trying to squeeze every penny of profit that they can because of the economic situation we've been in. I think its biting them in the butt now. We're going to be branching out now and trying the other cruise lines. We're thinking about a European cruise on the Epic this year.....unless we find out that Schettino is at the helm. :eek:

[sidari]

Tonka .... A fan of Carnival ? i hardly think so having never sailed on any of their Carnival brand ships, i doubt that having sailed on the Ruby Princess twice, Queen Victoria and Costa Deliziosa makes me a fan of Carnival. After all they may be the parent company and other than QM2 and Costa i cannot recall serious issues with Princess apart from the Star Princess fire that was started by a careless passenger.

 

I briefly read about the Dream early this morning before having to go out but the others i had not heard about, it does seem odd that they are having ships fall apart on them all in one go but it does call into question what CS has been saying for quite some time about the ships designed and built by Fincantieri! although the odd one out is the QM2 having been built in France.

 

I believe the Legend is headed to the UK soon good job the engine went now and not mid Atlantic! the MSC Preziosa and Divina both have return to port back up engine facilities and i had heard the Dream had the same system fitted ?

[watertheodds]

Tonka .... A fan of Carnival ? i hardly think so having never sailed on any of their Carnival brand ships, i doubt that having sailed on the Ruby Princess twice, Queen Victoria and Costa Deliziosa makes me a fan of Carnival. After all they may be the parent company and other than QM2 and Costa i cannot recall serious issues with Princess apart from the Star Princess fire that was started by a careless passenger.

 

I briefly read about the Dream early this morning before having to go out but the others i had not heard about, it does seem odd that they are having ships fall apart on them all in one go but it does call into question what CS has been saying for quite some time about the ships designed and built by Fincantieri! although the odd one out is the QM2 having been built in France.

 

I believe the Legend is headed to the UK soon good job the engine went now and not mid Atlantic! the MSC Preziosa and Divina both have return to port back up engine facilities and i had heard the Dream had the same system fitted ?

 

Sidari - at the risk of dredging up the past, I didn't have a problem with CS's knowledge and opinions of design flaws and equipment failures of cruise ships in general and specifically similar problems with certain ship classes but with the fact that none of those issues are what actually caused the Costa Concordia tragedy. CS herself obviously could not provide links to legitmate support proving equipment breakdowns on the Concordia that fateful night attributing to the Captain and crew errors. I asked her twice to provide sources and another poster asked once....the last time she posted the same old tired "well documented" (her words) equipment failures as a possible reason behind the collision I asked again for her sources and that is when she disappeared from the thread. She simply ignored the other two requests. I would think her comments on ship design would be quite welcome on several Carnival threads right now since ship design flaws and equipment failures are the root of the recent problems Carnival ships are now experiencing. Of course all of this is IMHO.