Demographics and the "Requested Dress Code"

[Pontius Navigator]

[quote name='TRadle']I watched a special on air safety about a year ago and found the recommendations for attire interesting. For example, you should never wear nylons, skirts or dresses, or open toed shoes. Forget heels....too dangerous.

You should, for safety reasons, wear long pants and closed toed shoes like sneakers. And the clothing should allow you to be flexible in case you need to jump down and shoot and run.[/quote]

TRadle is absolutely right. Dress for survival first and comfort second. If I could get away with wearing a coverall I would.

A friend of mine said, if it was left to him, he would ban all self-loading freight who tried to board his aircraft in flip-flops, mini-skirts, shorts, tank-tops etc.

Look at the Heathrow crash last month. Imagine if you were wearing hot climate holiday attire now standing in freezing conditions outside the smoking wreck for your aircraft. Probably barefoot and a candiate for a wet T-shirt competition :)

For my part I always offer the window seats to the others. Give me a clear run for the exit.

[Sky Sweet]

[quote name='Shipyard Cruiser']Maybe the airline can find a way to make money from a dress code.

United already is working on it:D[/quote]

Hi Shipyard Cruiser...I love your sense of humor :)

On a more serious note, cruising is the only time when I check in two suitcases for myself. Even though we also take a number of land based vacations that are just as long, they don't require as many different types of clothes.

That makes me wonder if this new policy, which is likely to be imitated by other airlines, will have an affect about how people feel about having three dress codes on a cruise. I realize that $25 is peanuts compared to the cost of a cruise, but there are many people who have a greater problem paying small nuisance fees than paying the big bucks for something that they really want.

[bububr]

You have a better chance of being injured in an aisle seat.

Even if its just by hitting an air pocket, that 400lb roller bag sitting in the overhead above you could pop out and cause serious injury or even kill you depending on how and where it hit.

Also during a sudden or emergency stop...any loose items from the galley or other passengers, including other passengers could go flying down the aisle causing injury.

As for chance of getting injured on an aircraft and how to dress....you have a better chance of geting injured n a drive by shooting than on an aircraft. So in my opinion dressing 'down' or ' for comfort ' as some boast is really that...dressing down and serves no real safety purpose.

BTW: I'm an X Delta employee so I am familiar with REAL safety issues and proceedures on aircraft.

Dave:eek:

[lysolqn]

The dreaded dress code thread always gets bogged down with ancillary arguments about style, intelligence, respect, education, image, hautiness, individuality, income, manners, comfort, tolerance, integrity, morals, ethics, snobbery, slobbery and a whole host of other issues, perhaps because those issues are a lot easier to debate than the actual subject of the dress code.

Celebrity's policy re evening dress is but one of several policies X publishes. I dare say many people who are comfortable ignoring the dress code policy aren't quite so tolerant when other passengers ignore the no smoking policy or the no diapers in the pool policy. How many people who think it's acceptable to disregard the dress code policy, also think it's alright for someone to stake claim to six or eight poolside lounges at 6am and not show up at the pool until 3? I imagine not many.

The argument that your decision to ignore the dress code doesn't affect anyone but you, while the other guy's decision to ignore the no smoking policy clearly affects others is specious. That argument simply places you in charge of setting the bar at a level which you find comfortable. If you think it's your right to decide which policies you will comply with and which you will disregard, then you have to be willing to grant that very same right to everyone else with whom you're sailing. No matter how much you may or may not agree with them, the cruise line's policies are not presented as a menu from which passengers may pick and choose.

[caviargal]

[quote name='lysolqn']

The argument that your decision to ignore the dress code doesn't affect anyone but you, while the other guy's decision to ignore the no smoking policy clearly affects others is specious. That argument simply places you in charge of setting the bar at a level which you find comfortable. If you think it's your right to decide which policies you will comply with and which you will disregard, then you have to be willing to grant that very same right to everyone else with whom you're sailing. No matter how much you may or may not agree with them, the cruise line's policies are not presented as a menu from which passengers may pick and choose.[/quote]

And that sums it up perfectly!

[CatServants]

[quote name='lysolqn']The dreaded dress code thread always gets bogged down with ancillary arguments about style, intelligence, respect, education, image, hautiness, individuality, income, manners, comfort, tolerance, integrity, morals, ethics, snobbery, slobbery and a whole host of other issues, perhaps because those issues are a lot easier to debate than the actual subject of the dress code.

Celebrity's policy re evening dress is but one of several policies X publishes. I dare say many people who are comfortable ignoring the dress code policy aren't quite so tolerant when other passengers ignore the no smoking policy or the no diapers in the pool policy. How many people who think it's acceptable to disregard the dress code policy, also think it's alright for someone to stake claim to six or eight poolside lounges at 6am and not show up at the pool until 3? I imagine not many.

The argument that your decision to ignore the dress code doesn't affect anyone but you, while the other guy's decision to ignore the no smoking policy clearly affects others is specious. That argument simply places you in charge of setting the bar at a level which you find comfortable. If you think it's your right to decide which policies you will comply with and which you will disregard, then you have to be willing to grant that very same right to everyone else with whom you're sailing. No matter how much you may or may not agree with them, the cruise line's policies are not presented as a menu from which passengers may pick and choose.[/quote]

WOW! lysolqn, VERY nicely done!!!

Happy cruising!

Denise

[lysolqn]

[quote name='caviargal']And that sums it up perfectly![/QUOTE]

At least it does from my perspective. Thanks.

I've gone through more dress code threads than I can count and what always strikes me is the double standard - I'll decide which policies I deem appropriate for my compliance and I'll decide which policies I deem appropriate for your compliance.

It makes me laugh to read a post in which someone is almost militant in his/her defense of the right to dress as he/she pleases, and then I scroll through another thread in which that very same person is berating others for smoking in a non-smoking area, saving seats or taking a diapered baby in the pool. Though amusing, I've little tolerance for the double standard.

[lysolqn]

[quote name='CatServants']WOW! lysolqn, VERY nicely done!!!

Happy cruising!

Denise[/QUOTE]

Thanks, Denise.

[Shipyard Cruiser]

[quote name='lysolqn']The dreaded dress code thread always gets bogged down with ancillary arguments about style, intelligence, respect, education, image, hautiness, individuality, income, manners, comfort, tolerance, integrity, morals, ethics, snobbery, slobbery and a whole host of other issues, perhaps because those issues are a lot easier to debate than the actual subject of the dress code.

Celebrity's policy re evening dress is but one of several policies X publishes. I dare say many people who are comfortable ignoring the dress code policy aren't quite so tolerant when other passengers ignore the no smoking policy or the no diapers in the pool policy. How many people who think it's acceptable to disregard the dress code policy, also think it's alright for someone to stake claim to six or eight poolside lounges at 6am and not show up at the pool until 3? I imagine not many.

The argument that your decision to ignore the dress code doesn't affect anyone but you, while the other guy's decision to ignore the no smoking policy clearly affects others is specious. That argument simply places you in charge of setting the bar at a level which you find comfortable. If you think it's your right to decide which policies you will comply with and which you will disregard, then you have to be willing to grant that very same right to everyone else with whom you're sailing. No matter how much you may or may not agree with them, the cruise line's policies are not presented as a menu from which passengers may pick and choose.[/quote]

How about the guy in the tux smoking in the no smoking area?

Saw this on RCI.

Never saw diapers worn openly at dinner:)

[lysolqn]

I guess I should add that it works both ways...if you expect others to respect the dress code, you should expect no less of yourself re your adherence to other shipboard policies.

[lvcruiser]

[quote name='lysolqn']No offense meant. There, I've quoted your entire paragraph verbatim and nothing has been taken out of context.

As you can clearly see, you were the one who suggested that "there are also cruise lines for the socially elite (read "snobs") who prefer to dress formally each and every night." If it is acceptable for you to categorize those who prefer to dress formally each and every night as socially elite snobs, aren't you perhaps exhibiting a double standard by being offended by a humorous suggestion that those at the other end of the spectrum might be "socially depraved slobs?

You'd be well advised to take your own suggestion and not "get offended by others that do not share the same opinions." In fact, you, too, "may wish to mellow out a little" before giving yourself "a heart attack over something that should not be affecting" your life.[/quote]

Please accept my sincere apology for not realizing your original post meant no malice. I truly thought your line about "just having fun with you" was a coverup and a copout. I often silently criticize posters who read more into a phrase, comment or entire post than what is actually there and intended, and I now find myself falling into the same category.

Regarding my original post with which you took issue, the only point I was trying to make is that if someone is going to become so vehemently set in their ways regarding an issue as irrelevant as this, why not make it easy on themselves and simply find another cruise line with which to sail rather than continually complaining about the issue? These dress code threads almost always eventually get pulled because battle lines become drawn and barbs a little too sharp for the comfort of most people get thrown. All I'm doing is trying to take a middle road and say, if you don't like the way Celebrity is handling the situation, maybe it's time to find another line before this gets too far out of hand.

[CatServants]

[B]Pushkin[/B] - I'm sure your children will enjoy formal nite in the dr and will be very welcome.:)

[B]clazz8[/B] - X cruisers are as nice and friendly as any other cruiser. This is just a typical dress code thread which occurs on every cruise board for virtually every cruise line. I assume there are no dress code threads for cruises lines that are a single dress code, but I wouldn't be surprised if they happen there as well. After all, where do you draw the line at casual?;):)

[B]Irish girl[/B] - I disagree with Shipyard Cruiser. I KNOW I'm a typical cruiser, as are (I'm willing to bet) most posters on these boards. I think the boards represent a microcosm of cruise pax in general. My family sticks to the dress code. The only thing I require you wear as a fellow pax is a smile because you're happy. That being said, it 'sounds' as though you will look great on formal nite. I hope you have a GREAT cruise!!!:)


[B]to the thread in general[/B] - Can someone please explain to me why there's always a poster who complains about the existence of dress code threads? Can't they ignore them if they're not interested? Maybe we should put a stop to threads about wine/liquor, decor, entertainment, food, service, ports, cabins, smoking rules, on board life, cruise ship amenities/activities....where should we draw the line? All those darn threads about cruising and all that cruising encompasses. These boards would be sooo nice if not for those cruising threads!;):D

Happy cruising!

Denise

[lysolqn]

[quote name='Shipyard Cruiser']How about the guy in the tux smoking in the no smoking area?[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, let's see...that would be the equivalent of a guy in jeans and a tee shirt smoking in the smoking area. I would have to say that each should be bannished to his respective cabin for the remainder of the cruise.

[quote name='Shipyard Cruiser']Never saw diapers worn openly at dinner:)[/QUOTE]

Just proves the point that even ardent proponents of the "I shall dress as I please" attitude have limits.

[lysolqn]

[quote name='lvcruiser']Please accept my sincere apology for not realizing your original post meant no malice. I truly thought your line about "just having fun with you" was a coverup and a copout. I often silently criticize posters who read more into a phrase, comment or entire post than what is actually there and intended, and I now find myself falling into the same category.

Regarding my original post with which you took issue, the only point I was trying to make is that if someone is going to become so vehemently set in their ways regarding an issue as irrelevant as this, why not make it easy on themselves and simply find another cruise line with which to sail rather than continually complaining about the issue? These dress code threads almost always eventually get pulled because battle lines become drawn and barbs a little too sharp for the comfort of most people get thrown. All I'm doing is trying to take a middle road and say, if you don't like the way Celebrity is handling the situation, maybe it's time to find another line before this gets too far out of hand.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your gracious apology, but no offense was taken and an apology isn't necessary. My apology if my lame attempt at humor and word play (snob/slob) was misunderstood. We'd best be careful...we're being so civil we might just be booted off the boards! LOL!

[Nonna and Papa]

All very nicely said! You have done quite well for yourself this morning - take a bow!! :)

Mary

[FinelyCruising]

Yes I liked it too.

But here is a question for everyone...Why is there even a thought that a cruise ship is some perfect place where no one ever says somehting wrong from guests to staff, or does something wrong from guests to staff.

I don't quite get if some special magic is supposed to happen down from the Gods from the time we book a cruise to the time we get back into our own home. You'd think that was the mindset sometimes...is that really a realisitic approach?

[Nonna and Papa]

I don't know. Sometimes I think it has to do, in part, with the expectation we may have with the idea of our "perfect vacation", if that exists. Some of us want to live differently than we live at home.

For us, who don't cruise as often as many others might, we look forward to the ambiance, the romance that, in our mind's eye (and maybe unrealistically), feel (or think) that our cruise will offer. We live fairly casually at home these days, so when we cruise, I want whatever I can find to make it a special event.

Again, maybe I'm not being realistic in my approach, but I go with a positive yet flexible attitude, hoping for a little bit of a dream before we get back to reality again. That's why I enjoy dressing for dinner - it's all part of the ambiance.

Mary

[Shipyard Cruiser]

[quote name='lysolqn']Hmmm, let's see...that would be the equivalent of a guy in jeans and a tee shirt smoking in the smoking area. I would have to say that each should be bannished to his respective cabin for the remainder of the cruise.
Just proves the point that even ardent proponents of the "I shall dress as I please" attitude have limits.[/quote]

"Bannished to his respective cabin for the remainder of the cruise"

A bit harsh, don't you think?

[lysolqn]

[quote name='Shipyard Cruiser']"Bannished to his respective cabin for the remainder of the cruise"

A bit harsh, don't you think?[/QUOTE]

Nah...not harsh at all. If I wanted to be harsh, I'd have suggested both be turned into fish food. Now that's harsh!

[lysolqn]

[quote name='Nonna and Papa']All very nicely said! You have done quite well for yourself this morning - take a bow!! :)

Mary[/QUOTE]

You've made me blush!

[Sky Sweet]

As previously stated, I think people should observe a dress code when one exists, but how a person prefers to dress has nothing to do with their education, occupation, or socio economic class.

At the same time, if a person chooses not to observe formal night and decides to eat in a casual dining venue instead, there is nothing wrong with that. After all, why would Celebrity provide that option if they didn't expect people to use it.

My pet peeve, however, when someone posts that a person shouldn't sail on Celebrity if they are going to eat in the casual dining venue instead of observing formal night in the dining room. While formal night might a very important part of a cruise for some people, there are many different reasons why other people choose to take a Celebrity Cruise.

[Drew B]

Agreed, Sky Sweet. Nothing wrong with choosing to dine in the casual venue. Now, that doesn't address the issue of post-dinner dress (as the dress code carries over for the entire evening), so I guess it depends what they plan to do following the meal...

[Shipyard Cruiser]

So if the dress code carries over for the entire evening how do you ever dine casual?

Do they close the casual dining areas?

Is this true every night?

Is this posted on the website?

I've talked to a few recent Celebrity cruises and they never heard of the dining room dress code being for the entire evening.

I guess I will call Celebrity to get this sorted out.

[Drew B]

It carries over for the whole night, but doesn't apply to certain public areas (the entire lido deck, I believe) including the casual dining venue. Therefore, if somebody chooses not to dress to code, not only can they not attend the dining room, but they theoretically are not supposed to attend shows/bars/casino afterwards, either... I've seen FAR less compliance for this rule than for the actual dress in the dining room. I've seen folks in the theater in sweat suits on formal night, but I've never seen anything nearly that bad in the dining room.

[cruise kitty]

So if the dress code carries over for the entire evening how do you ever dine casual?

 

Do they close the casual dining areas?

 

Is this true every night?

 

Is this posted on the website?

 

I've talked to a few recent Celebrity cruises and they never heard of the dining room dress code being for the entire evening.

 

I guess I will call Celebrity to get this sorted out.

 

 

We have, on occasion opted out of formal night in favor of casual dining, afterward, we avoided the casino as well as the shows and nicer lounge areas, we strolled the upper decks, where we saw quite a few other couples in country club casual, and then settled in on our balcony with a bottle of wine. It's a matter of courtesy to just follow the rules, and make sure you're not "in your face" if you choose to opt out.