SO THIS IS THE WINE LIST? HOW OFTEN DO THEY UPDATE IT? CAN YOU PRE-ORDER THINGS NOT ON IT?

GOT THIS OFF THE RCCL WEB SITE:

Champagnes

Item #1200 Champagne, Mumm’s Cordon Rouge, Reims, NV $61.95

Item #1201 Champagne, Moet & Chandon, Epernay, NV $66.95

Item #1202 Champagne, Moet & Chandon, Epernay, NV - Half Bottle $46.95

Item #1203 Champagne, Veuve Clicquot, Brut, Reims, NV $75.95

Item #1204 Champagne, Taittinger, Brut “La Francaise,†Reims, NV $86.95

Item #1205 Champagne, Perrier Jouet, “Fleur de Champagneâ€, Epernay, V $136.95

Item #1206 Champagne, Taittinger, Blanc de Blancs, Comtes de Champagne, Reims, V $176.95

Item #1207 Champagne, Dom Perignon, Epernay, V $190.95

Sparkling Wines

Item #1215 Asti Spumante, Martini & Rossi, Italy, NV $27.95

Item #1216 Korbel, Brut, Methode Champenoise, California, NV $30.95

Item #1217 Korbel, Brut, Methode Champenoise, California, NV - Magnum $46.95

Item #1218 Domaine Chandon, Brut, Napa, California, NV $44.95

American White Wines

Item #1225 Sauvignon Blanc, Wente Vineyards, San Francisco Bay $26.95

Item #1226 Sauvignon Blanc, Kenwood Vineyards, Sonoma $29.95

Item #1227 Fume Blanc, Ferrari-Carano, Sonoma $38.95

Item #1228 Fume Blanc, Robert Mondavi, Napa $39.95

Item #1235 Chardonnay, La Terre, California $21.95

Item #1236 Chardonnay, Woodbridge, Robert Mondavi, California $28.95

Item #1237 Chardonnay, Meridian, Santa Barbara $29.95

Item #1238 Chardonnay, Stone Cellars by Beringer, California $28.95

Item #1239 Chardonnay, Kendall-Jackson Vintner’s Reserve, California $43.95

Item #1240 Chardonnay, Robert Mondavi, Napa $45.95

Item #1241 Chardonnay, Chateau St. Jean, Sonoma $46.95

Item #1242 Chardonnay, Niebaum-Coppola, Diamond Series, California $48.95

Item #1250 Chardonnay, Fetzer Bonterra, Mendocino, California $38.95

Item #1255 Johannisberg Riesling, Chateau St. Michelle, Columbia Valley, Washington State $28.95

Item #1256 Pinot Grigio, La Famiglia di Robert Mondavi, California $45.95

Item #1257 Conundrum, Caymus, Napa $50.95

Item #1265 White Zinfandel, La Terre, California $21.95

Item #1266 White Zinfandel, Woodbridge, Robert Mondavi, California $24.95

Item #1267 White Zinfandel, Beringer, California $28.95

Item #1275 Chardonnay, Fortant de France $28.95

Item #1276 Merlot, Fortant de France $28.95

Around the World White Wines

Item #1280 Chardonnay, Macon Villages, Bouchard & Fils, Maconnais, France $22.95

Item #1281 Chardonnay, Hardy’s, Nottage Hill, Australia $29.95

Item #1282 Chardonnay, Gran Vina Sol Chardonnay, Torres, Penedes, Spain $30.95

Item #1283 Semillon-Chardonnay, Bin 77, Lindemans, Australia $33.95

Item #1284 Chardonnay, Chateau La Joya Gran Reserva, Chile $36.95

Item #1285 Chardonnay, Penfold’s, Koonunga Hill, Australia $38.95

Item #1286 Chardonnay, Chablis Premier Cru, “Vaulignotâ€, Domaine Louis Moreau, Bourgogne, France $40.95

Item #1287 Chardonnay, Pouilly Fuisse, Louis Jadot, Bourgogne, France $49.95

Item #1295 Sauvignon Blanc, Caliterra, Chile $27.95

Item #1296 Sauvignon Blanc, Giesen, Marlborough, New Zealand $30.95

Item #1297 Sauvignon Blanc, Pouilly Fume, Domaine Denis Gaudry, Loire, France $40.95

Item #1298 Sauvignon Blanc, Sancerre, “Les Tuilieres,†Michel Redde, Loire, France $49.95

Item #1305 Piesporter Michelsberg, Riesling Spatlese, Kreusch $22.95

Item #1306 Marques de Caceres, Rioja, Spain $22.95

Item #1307 Soave Classico, Botter, Verona, Italy $23.95

Item #1308 Pinot Grigio, Danzante, Italy $32.95

Item #1309 Pinot Grigio, Santa Margherita, Italy $43.95

Item #1310 Gavi, Principessa Gavia, Piedmont, Italy $40.95

Item #1311 Vouvray, Remy Pannier, Loire, France $30.95

Item #1312 Gewurztraminer, Dopff & Irion, Alsace, France $40.95

American Red Wines

Item #1320 Pinot Noir, Beringer, Founders Estate, California $35.95

Item #1321 Pinot Noir, La Crema, Sonoma Coast $40.95

Item #1322 Pinot Noir, Reserve, Willamette Valley, Oregon $46.95

Item #1330 Merlot, La Terre, California $21.95

Item #1331 Merlot, Round Hill, California $30.95

Item #1332 Merlot, Robert Mondavi, Coastal $33.95

Item #1333 Merlot, Meridian, Santa Barbara $39.95

Item #1334 Merlot, Niebaum-Coppola, Diamond Series, California $44.95

Item #1340 Merlot, Fetzer Bonterra, Mendocino, California $38.95

Item #1345 Cabernet Sauvignon, Woodbridge, Robert Mondavi, California $28.95

Item #1346 Cabernet Sauvignon, Beringer, Founders Estate, California $39.95

Item #1347 Cabernet Sauvignon, Kendall-Jackson Vintner’s Reserve, California $43.95

Item #1348 Cabernet Sauvignon, Raymond Estate, Napa $50.95

Item #1349 Cabernet Sauvignon, Robert Mondavi, Napa $59.95

Item #1350 Cabernet Sauvignon, Jordan, Sonoma $90.95

Item #1355 Syrah, Wente Vineyards, California $33.95

Item #1356 Meritage, Dry Creek Vineyard, Sonoma $50.95

Item #1357 Opus One, Mondavi – Rothschild, Napa $176.95

Item #1360 Zinfandel, Ravenswood, Vintners Blend, California $30.95

Item #1361 Zinfandel, Chateau Souverain, Dry Creek $46.95

Around the World Red Wines

Item #1365 Cabernet Sauvignon Reserva, Caliterra, Chile $33.95

Item #1366 Shiraz-Cabernet Sauvignon, Penfold’s Koonunga Hill, Australia $38.95

Item #1367 Torres Gran Coronas Cabernet Sauvignon, Reserva, Spain $50.95

Item #1370 Merlot, Tarapaca, Chile $23.95

Item #1371 Merlot, St. Emilion, Jean-Pierre Moueix, Bordeaux, France $40.95

Item #1372 Merlot, Chateau La Joya, Gran Reserva, Chile $45.95

Item #1375 Pinot Noir Pathaway, Lindemans, Australia $40.95

Item #1380 Beaujolais Villages, Georges DuBoeuf, France $27.95

Item #1381 Beaujolais Villages, Georges DuBoeuf, France - Half Bottle $18.95

Item #1382 Fleurie, Georges DuBoeuf, Beaujolais, France $30.95

Item #1385 Cotes du Rhone, “Belleruche†M. Chapoutier, Rhone, France $33.95

Item #1386 Shiraz, Rosemount Estate, Australia $34.95

Item #1387 Chateauneuf-du-Pape, Jean LaFitte, Rhone, France $48.95

Item #1390 Condesa de Leganza, Crianza, Spain $32.95

Item #1391 Rioja, Faustino VII, Spain $38.95

Item #1392 Valpolicella, Botter, Verona, Italy $23.95

Item #1393 Chianti Classico Riserva, Castello Di Gabbiano, Italy $40.95

Item #1394 La Vite Lucente, Mondavi-Frescobaldi, Tuscany, Italy $60.95

Item #1395 Chateau Villa Bel-Air, Graves, Bordeaux, France $40.95

Dessert Wines

Item #1400 Sauternes, Nicholas, France - 375 ml half bottle $26.95

Item #1401 Moscato Bianco, La Famiglia di Robert Mondavi, California - 500 ml $29.95

Non-Alcoholic Wines

Item #1405 Sparkling – Sutter Home, “Fre†$23.95

Item #1406 Chardonnay – Sutter Home, “Fre†$23.95

Item #1407 Premium Red – Sutter Home, “Fre†$23.95

Item #1408 White Zinfandel – Sutter Home, “Fre†$23.95

All Gratuities Included.

Awful, isn't it???! We don't mind splurdging on a great bottle of wine for up to $50- but don't give us Woodbridge Chardonnay for $28.50!!! We're starting in Barcelona and I plan to do some research and bring some great Spanish wines on board...the corkage fee would be well worth it!!!

...until our August 28, 2004 Splendour of the Seas

Foe example: We paid $60 for the Mondavi Napa Chardonnay which included the gratuity. Very nice wine but when I board Voyager in July, since there is no air travel for me, I'll be bringing a valise of wines! The Mondavi I ordered on the ship I purchase for $18-20 locally. Holy Cow!

4 cruisers,

If you like wine at all get one of the wine & dine packages. It brings the price down from outrageous to about what you would pay in a restaurant at home.

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"Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits" Mark Twain

"Nothing so needs reforming as other people's formal night attire, poolside attire, child rearing practices, walk-talkie usage, chair hogging, seat saving, line cutting ..." Mark_K

Mark_K, We have used the wine package before and liked the value. Last week on the Grandeur, we were disappointed to find that they did not offer a wine or drink package. I can't speak for other ships, but we had to make a selection nightly from the complete wine list.

In Planning Stages

Thank you for providing this list, with prices. Shamefull!

I will be bringing my own!!

tinsel57

We are sailing on the Mariner in May. DH is really into wine. We have been told by RCI that we can only bring 2 bottles per cabin aboard the ship. Last year on our 15 day DAWN cruise there was no limit to the number of bottles, however we had 2 rules. We couldn't bring anything that they served onboard (which was no problem for us) and we had to pre-pay the corkage fee prior to boarding. We took an email with us onboard to indicate the dining rooms should open our wine at no charge. We tried to get info from RCI about the wine & dine package. I've been calling and emailing them for 3 months. Thay tell me there is no such package available at this time on the Mariner. Not sure about any of their other ships.

Good luck bringing your wine on. I'd be interested to hear if you are able to take more than 2 bottles.

Based upon the wine list... we will be bringing out own bottles, several in fact, i'll find a way. And its not even so much about price but about true variety and unique offerings.

Our NCL cruise offered some really great wines at amazingly reasonable prices; not so here.

But... no worries, like i said, we'll just bring what we like— corkage is $12 right?

Yes it's 12$ and it's appears to be hit or miss as to whether you actually get charged. Some folks do, some folks pay once for several bottles, the only time we took a bottle to dinner, we weren't charged at all. I think the RCI web site says it $12 but policies may differ from ship to ship.

Mariner of the Seas

Before we boarded Brilliance on March 8th, we were told that the wine and dine package had been discontinued. We were very pleased that we were able to purchase the wine and dine package. If we had not been able to make that purchase, we just would have purchased much less wine.

I don't know the status of wine and dine fleet wide. Things seem to be changing rapidly at RCI. I just hope that when they decide to upgrade the quality and value of their product that the changes happen as fast.

Work like a dog. Live like a pauper. Save all your money. Then Cruise!

I just can't get over how little Italian wine they offer. I guess that is my hang up, and why I wondered if you could call ahead and request they get a case of something special for you. Perhaps I should do just that, call and ask?

can i attach a pdf here? i just confirmed, the NCL wine list BLOWS RCCL's wine list out of the water! Phenomenal selections priced UNBELIEVABLY. what can we do about this?

PAGE ONE OF NCL'S LIST:

NCL WINE LIST 2004

*To help with your selections, wines are listed from light to full body in each category

UNIQUE SELECTIONS

WHITES

Item#

20 Chardonnay, Grgich Hills $59.80

Napa Valley, California

22 Chardonnay “Dutton Ranch,†Patz & Hall $62.10

Russian River Valley, California

24 Chardonnay “Reserve,†ZD $48.30

Napa Valley, California

28 Corton-Charlemagne “Grand Cru,†$113.85

Louis Latour

Napa Valley, California

REDS

30 Château Haut-Brion “Premier Cru†$333.50

Graves, Bordeaux, France

32 Don Maximiano “Founders Reserve,†Errazuriz $69.00

Aconcagua Valley, Chile

34 Merlot, Duckhorn $80.50

Napa Valley, California

36 Paraduxx, Duckhorn $74.75

Napa Valley, California

38 Cabernet Sauvignon “Trailside Vineyard,†Heitz $85.10

Napa Valley, California

40 Insignia, Joseph Phelps $166.75

Napa Valley, California

42 Opus One, Mondavi/Rothschild $189.75

Napa Valley, California

43 Ornellaia, Tenute dell’ Ornellaia $93.15

Bolgheri, Italy

44 Sassicaia, Tenute San Guido $109.25

Bolgheri, Italy

46 Seña, Mondavi/Chadwick $78.20

Aconcagua Valley, Chile

MAGNUMS

60 Pinot Noir, Schug $74.75

Carneros, California

62 Red Meritage, Dry Creek $86.25

Graves, Bordeaux, France

64 Sangiovese “Lucente,†Mondavi/Frescobaldi $87.40

Tuscany, Italy

*Magnums are equivalent to two bottles. For vintages please consult your waiter.

CHAMPAGNE

ROSÉ

Item#

70 Nicolas Feuillate "Brut Premier Cru" $51.75

Épernay, France V.

VINTAGE

80 Moët & Chandon "Cuvée Dom Pérignon" $149.50

Épernay, France

82 Perrier-Jouët "Cuvée Belle Époque" $113.85

Épernay, France

NON-VINTAGE

90 Moët & Chandon "White Star" $51.75

Épernay, France

92 Mumm "Cordon Rouge" $46.00

Reims, France

SPARKLING

94 Capetta "Asti Spumante" $21.85

Piedmont, Italy

96 Domaine Ste. Michelle "Cuvée Brut" $26.45

Washington State

98 NCL Private Label $25.30

WHITE WINES - NORTH AMERICA

CHARDONNAY

102 Fetzer "Sundial" $25.30

California

104 Sylvester "Kiara Reserve" $26.45

Paso Robles, California

106 Robert Mondavi "Coastal" $27.60

Central Coast, California

108 Kendall-Jackson "Vintner's Reserve" $29.90

California

110 Meridian $28.75

Santa Barbara, California

112 Columbia Crest "Grand Estates" $31.05

Columbia Valley, Washington State

114 King Estate $32.20

Oregon

116 Byron $39.10

Santa Maria Valley, California

118 Cuvaison $36.80

Napa Valley-Carneros, California

120 Sonoma-Cutrer "Russian River Ranches" $40.25

Sonoma Coast, California

122 Robert Mondavi "Carneros District†$44.85

Napa Valley, California

124 Jordan $51.75

Sonoma County, California

PAGE 2:

NCL WINE LIST 2004

*To help with your selections, wines are listed from light to full body in each category

SAUVIGNON BLANC

Item#

132 Fetzer "Echo Ridge" $25.30

California

134 Kendall-Jackson "Vintner's Reserve" $29.90

California

136 Hogue "Fumé Blanc" $27.60

Columbia Valley, Washington State

138 Ferrari-Carano "Fumé Blanc" $32.20

Sonoma County, California

140 Duckhorn $44.85

Napa Valley, California

OTHER WHITE VARIETALS

160 Johannisberg Riesling, Chateau Ste. Michelle $27.60

Columbia Valley, Washington State

162 Pinot Gris, King Estate $32.20

Oregon

164 Pastiche, Joseph Phelps $29.90

Napa Valley, California

166 Viognier, Fetzer $28.70

Mendocino County, California

168 Alluvium Blanc, Beringer $33.35

Knights Valley, California

BLUSH

180 White Zinfandel, Woodbridge $21.85

California

WHITE WINES - FRANCE

202 Chardonnay, J. P. Chenet $20.70

Vin de Pays

204 Mâcon-Villages, Bouchard Pére & Fils $26.45

Burgundy

206 Riesling, Arthur Metz $25.30

Alsace

208 Gewürztraminer, Dopff & Irion $29.90

Alsace

210 Chablis, Antonin Rodet $29.90

Burgundy

212 Pouilly-Fumé, Pascal Jolivet $32.20

Loire Valley

214 Château Chantegrive "Cuvée Caroline" $43.70

Graves, Bordeaux

216 Pouilly-Fuissé, Louis Jadot $36.80

Burgundy

218 Puligny-Montrachet, Louis Jadot $66.70

Burgundy

WHITE WINES - ITALY

Item#

230 Verdicchio, Fazi-Battaglia $25.30

Marche

232 Soave, Bolla $23.00

Veneto

234 Pinot Grigio, Danzante $27.60

Tuscany

236 Gavi di Gavi, Stefano Farina $31.05

Piedmont

238 Pinot Grigio, Santa Margherita $34.50

Alto Adige

WHITE WINES - GERMANY

242 Liebfraumilch, Peter Mertes $21.85

Rheinhessen

244 Piesporter Michelsberg, Selbach $23.00

Mosel-Saar-Ruwer

WHITE WINES - AUSTRALIA

252 Sémillon-Chardonnay, Banrock Station $25.30

South Eastern Australia

254 Chardonnay "Bin 65," Lindemans $27.60

South Eastern Australia

256 Chardonnay, Rosemount $28.75

Hunter Valley

WHITE WINES - NEW ZEALAND

262 Sauvignon Blanc, Giesen $29.90

Marlborough

264 Chardonnay, Nobilo $27.60

Gisborne

WHITE WINES - CHILE

272 Sauvignon Blanc, Caliterra $25.30

Central Valley

274 Chardonnay, Errazuriz $27.60

Casablanca Valley

276 Chardonnay "Marqués de Casa", Concha Y Toro $32.20

Maipo Valley

PAGE 3:

NCL WINE LIST 2004

*To help with your selections, wines are listed from light to full body in each category

RED WINES - NORTH AMERICA

CABERNET SAUVIGNON

Item#

502 Robert Mondavi "Coastal" $27.60

California

508 Wente, Livermore Valley $28.75

California

510 Niebaum-Coppola "Claret" $35.65

California

512 St. Francis $31.05

Sonoma County, California

514 Chateau Ste. Michelle $33.35

Columbia Valley, Washington State

516 Bighorn Cellars $40.25

Napa Valley, California

518 Joseph Phelps $56.35

Napa Valley, California

520 Jordan $75.90

Sonoma County, California

521 Sylvester "Kiara Reserve" $25.30

Paso Robles, California

522 Kendall-Jackson "Vintner's Reserve" $32.20

California

MERLOT

532 Fetzer "Eagle Peak" $27.60

California

534 Robert Mondavi "Coastal" $28.75

California

536 Meridian $29.90

California

538 Wente "Crane Ridge" $33.35

Livermore Valley, California

540 Columbia Crest "Grand Estates" $32.20

Columbia Valley, Washington State

542 Benziger $37.95

Sonoma County, California

544 Swanson $54.05

Napa Valley, California

PINOT NOIR

562 Napa Ridge $27.60

North Coast, California

564 Beringer "Founders Reserve" $29.90

California

566 Robert Mondavi $34.50

Napa Valley, California

568 Schug $36.80

Carneros, California

ZINFANDEL

Item#

574 Ravenswood "Vintner's Blend" $27.60

California

576 Rancho Zabaco "Heritage Vines" $31.05

Sonoma County, California

OTHER RED VARIETALS

582 Petite Sirah, Concannon $31.05

California

584 Barbera, La Famiglia $36.80

California

586 Syrah, Valley of the Moon $33.35

Sonoma County, California

RED WINES - FRANCE

602 Beaujolais-Villages, Louis Jadot $26.45

Beaujolais

604 Merlot, J. P. Chenet $20.70

Vin de Pays

606 Cabernet Sauvignon, Arianna $20.70

Vin de Pays

608 Château Fonfroide $25.30

Bordeaux

610 Jean Pierre Moueix $29.90

St. Émilion, Bordeaux

612 Côtes-du-Rhône, M. Chapoutier $27.60

Rhône

614 Château Le Bourdieu $32.20

Médoc, Bordeaux

616 Nuits-Saint-Georges "Les Mampettes", Quinson $51.75

Burgundy

618 Pommard, Antonin Rodet $69.00

Burgundy

620 Château Tour Priban $43.70

Pauillac, Bordeaux

622 Château Tricot D' Arsac $48.30

Margaux, Bordeaux

624 Châteauneuf-du-Pape, Domaine de Saint Préfert $36.80

Rhône

PAGE 4

NCL WINE LIST 2004

RED WINES - ITALY

Item#

632 Valpolicela, Bertani $29.90

Veneto

634 Bardolino, Bolla $28.75

Veneto

636 Chianti, Colli $27.60

Tuscany

640 Sangiovese, Lucente $46.00

Tuscany

642 Chianti Classico "Riserva", Colli $32.20

Tuscany

644 Barolo, Stefano Farina $43.70

Piedmont

646 Amarone, Sartori $52.90

Veneto

RED WINES - SPAIN

652 Santana $21.85

La Mancha

654 Torres "Sangre de Toro" $27.60

Catalonia

656 Marqués de Cáceres $29.90

Rioja

RED WINES - AUSTRALIA

662 Cabernet Sauvignon "Yellow Label", Wolf Blass $28.75

South Eastern Australia

664 Cabernet-Merlot, Greg Norman $32.20

Coonawarra

666 Shiraz "Billi Billi", Mount Langhi $36.80

Grampians, Victoria

RED WINES - CHILE

Item#

672 Cabernet Sauvignon, Caliterra $25.30

Central Valley

674 Cabernet Sauvignon "Reserva", Santa Rita $29.90

Maipo Valley

676 Merlot "Marqués de Casa", Concha Y Toro $27.60

Maipo Valley

DESSERT WINES

702 Muscat "Vin de Glacière" $28.75

Bonny Doon, California

704 Château Suduiraut $51.75

First Growth, Sauternes

*All dessert bottles are 375 ml.

I would assume if enough people complained perhaps they might look at making some upgrades. I don't mind paying a little extra for convenience sake, but I am not paying high prices for what is practically swill!!

tinsel57

Tincel57-

my thoughts exactly! gosh, I think I'll email RCCL with NCL's wine list pdf and ask how they can justify selling @*#&$ for that kind of money when one of their competitors sells super tuscans for under $100 and high-end bordeauxs for over $100 cheaper than you'd buy them in a store (the Haut Brion)

Please let us know if you get a response!

tinsel57

is their email address: info@rccl.com ?

I don't see an email address listed on their web site except for foreign offices. It looks like what you've listed could be a possibility. They have an email form that can be filled out but they don't list an address... unless I've missed it!

https://secure.royalcaribbean.com/customersupport/contactUsOnline.do;jsessionid=0000OvaCbGpgwuS068yC1DvUgjT:v29bc620

tinsel57

thank you for the link, problem is, it doesn't take attachments. i hope what i sent to was right. i forwarded the NCL pdf to a good friend of mine who is a former sommelier from the QE2 and he said he will call RCCL.

ANYONE ELSE UNHAPPY WITH THE WINE LIST:

please, i beg you, let them know. it could be/can be made better!

Oooh I sailed home from England on the QE2 many many years ago.. cool! if there is anything I can do to help let me know. I can complain!

tinsel57

tinsel57-

i believe it totally fair to ask royal caribbean why they aren't more competitive with the wine selection and prices they offer based upon a comparison with NCL's wine list. so if you're willing, please do just that, as I have.

here is the link to the NCL wine list in pdf format:

http://www.ncl.com/more/wine_list.htm

and here is the link to Royal's wine list:

http://www.royalcaribbean.com/gifts/WineList.do;jsessionid=0000BRy9sOQpFQ11H-4iVQlbjdb:v2krl5v8

My husband and I each carried on two bottles of wine onto Radiance on March 28. We were charged the corkage fee after the head waiter came and inspected our unusual bottle of wine. We didn't mind because we would rather have our good wine than the wine offered on the list. When we ordered from the wine list we kept ordering the same wine each time. If you are discreet they will not stop you from bringing on your wine.