smokeybandit

1 minute ago, molly361 said:

Exactly the point I was trying to make.  If vaccines are to be required they should be required for EVERYONE

Which is fine. But then make all vaccines for airborne/aerosol infectious diseases mandatory. 

6 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

The issue with kids though is who they transmit the virus to. There are plenty of high risk people on cruise ships. They also bring it home to high risk relatives. There are plenty of multi generational homes. There is still much we don't know for sure. Just like we don't know if vaccinated people can transmit the virus.

There have been a bunch of studies done on child transmission and the general theme is children either don't get or if they do, don't transmit it to others.

The flu can harm high risk people, too, but there's no drive to mandate flu vaccines on a cruise.

Just now, molly361 said:

What about children?  Will they not be allowed since there is no vaccine for them?  Or will they be allowed without one which will kind of defeat the purpose of requiring them?  So many ??  so little answers😇

Kids are barely affected by covid as it is. The flu vaccine is more important to that age group.

14 minutes ago, Formula280SS said:

Again, lets get the those at the highest risk of death vaccinated and then "show us the results."  If the number of deaths in those categories is diminished demonstrably, lets move down the risk line and get everyone vaccinated that wants to or needs to for their purposes. 

Problem is the current definition of a "covid death" really has nothing to do with if you died as a result of getting covid. Just that you died within 30 days (or 60 depending on the state) of getting covid. Since covid most affects the elderly and frail anyway, vaccine effectiveness tough thing to measure.

16 hours ago, firefly333 said:

Sorry but I dont believe it is false. Another tv doctor saying similar, how we shouldn't worry they are working 24/7 both companies to manufacture the doses. Nothing the doctors are saying jives with oh pfeizer has it but is just is holding it back. 

So you trust TV doctors over the manufacturer itself, one that has made sure to distance itself from American politics?

They should just credit us the points for the canceled cruises.

Yes, there is a ban on cruising.  The CDC requires a conditional sailing certificate to get past the ban.  You have to fulfill all the things in the CDC's return to sailing order to prove you're equipped and trained to follow all the CDC's new rules.   And Carnival outright said the CDC is holding them back from even doing test cruises required to satisfy the . And if it's true for them, it's true for everyone.

1 minute ago, Ashland said:

Nope...not at all...people watching is some of the best onboard entertainment...So bring it on 

Touche.

I just booked for late July to replace my March cruise. I don't even give that one 50/50 odds to happen but it's something to look forward to.

Just now, grandgeezer said:

The article is about 3 1/2 months ago. If they thought they had any leg to stand on they would have filed it then. The way the virus is spreading now, if the CDC had any guts, they’d issue a no sail order now.

I posted it because it give a legal basis for a lawsuit.

Resorts can be open. Hotels open. Restaurants open.  Trains and planes in service. But cruise lines are banned. There's legal basis for a lawsuit

1 minute ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Using what legal precedent?

Here's a summary

https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News/Government/ASTA-threatens-lawsuit-over-No-Sail-Act

If a 95% effective vaccine doesn't actually protect people from covid, then it's all for naught.

I mean we have a 40-50% effective flu vaccine and everything thinks its awesome

1 minute ago, HaveWeMetYet said:

If the CDC wanted test cruises to happen they would already be under way. It was just a way to extend the No Sail Order until after the election. Look for a new "No Sail Order" shortly. Probably at least 3 months but maybe longer.

This wouldn't surprise me one bit. I could see the cruise lines taking legal action at that point.

There was no requirement for more than one test cruise. The CDC order referred to "a test cruise or series of cruises"

Also the 60 day waiting period did not specify a successful test cruise was required before submitting  the paperwork that gave you your conditional sailing approval. Just that the test cruise had to satisfactorily been completed prior to getting the approval.

1 hour ago, firefly333 said:

I just heard on the news what I suspected. There are no stockpiles of doses. Zero, none. They are now shipping it as soon as its manufactured. 

 

They asked what about those people with 2nd doses scheduled. The guy said they may be late, but the important thing is to get first doses into as many as they can.

 

All the short shipments had me suspecting as much. 

That ended up being a false, or at least misleading, report.  Pfizer said in response that they have all the reserved 2nd doses.

19 minutes ago, Ashland said:

I could care less what other's wear..has no bearing on my cruise at all.

Even large 60 yr old German men in speedos?

5 minutes ago, whitshel said:

A lot of All-Inclusive resorts in Mexico and the DR are now offering free covid testing for your return and if you test positive they will let you stay for 14 days at the resort, free of charge.    They just got back going an now this will halt a lot of people from traveling

A pretty damn smart idea.

ASTA wants some changes to the new policy, citing burdens on Americans coming home.

https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News/Travel-Agent-Issues/ASTA-asks-the-CDC-to-tweak-its-Covid-testing-order

I hope I'm wrong, too.

The only reason the CDC issued its return to sail guidelines when it did was because of the Trump administration (not meaning to start any political wars).  The CDC wanted to extend the ban well into 2021.  I fear this time next week under the new administration, cruising may see even further setbacks.

I thought they started adding a taco bar poolside to some of the ships in drydock

A year would be great, especially when you compare it to the flu vaccine which is 3-4 months.

3 minutes ago, kirtihk said:

How flying back home after the cruise on the same day (the majority do that) would be accomplished?

Because the CDC says the cruise lines have to test you before disembarkation (which seem a logistical mess, but isn't all of this unnecessary stuff?).

We're not big formal night fans, so I just wear a tie, no sports coat.

And I'm still more over dressed than others there.

The email you got said refund time frames are 45 days.