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Also simple Google searches turn up the Hawaii law that is the source of the legal restrictions. Easy to find. To the post above, I realize port changes happen all the time, but here aren't the changes seemingly a direct result of Celebrity/ship's actions? Or were the schedule changes due to weather or known prior to departure?

Has Edge modified the shipboard schedule and food offerings to adjust for the new schedule and any port cancelation(s) (I can't keep track)? Fully realize schedule and port cancelations can occur, but the cause here (unless weather is an issue) is entirely Celebrity.

Eventually requests using U.S. federal and state freedom of information laws may net info from the relevant government agencies since it would seem the ship was well within U.S. waters. This presumes the government gets involved, but does seem there is already Coast Guard records. We can all keep track of Captain Matt the Comedian, and instead of asking trivial questions at the officer talks, Presidents cruise, etc. questions about Hawaii and the Edge bridge team should be asked. Common sense and eyes would have suggested they were too close.

The vibe I get from many of the Celebrity Captains in their public talks is they may not have much supervision and be asked to be too many things. (I should note that they've all been gracious with my family and for a few days are interesting role models for our child) I have no doubt it requires years of commitment like any other profession. Yet, it's not like they are tested and scrutinized like airplane captains. Rather, at least on Celebrity, they become entertainers, tour guides, and vloggers plus all of the standard stuff. Yet, they prominently show french fries in the ads, and likely would delete comments on their social feeds about this situation. The lack of public response speaks volumes.

Having watched a number of the Captain Kate videos where she talks up the bridge crew, the coverage of the bridge, etc. it seems inexplicable that the route and all other movements of the ship were not consciously made, and couldn't be questioned by a crew member (although I'm skeptical that the bridge crew would actually challenge the captain given how they are placed on a pedestal)*. The reports of the flip comment from the Captain in the theater make this more disturbing since at that point he shouldn't be performing on stage as part of the evening entertainment. *Many of the bridge crew on Beyond seem quite inexperienced as feature in Captain Kate's videos. Wonder how much experience is present on Edge.

Happy anniversary. Thanks for the thread. On the CocoCay day, what were the food offerings on the ship? Was the OVC up and running? Just curious, and realize you were not onboard. Also, are any of the pools on the island included or just beaches? I couldn't imagine staying on the ship, but am curious. Everyone, including management, speaks of CocoCay as a moneymaker. I don't question the statements, but where is the revenue coming from with a typical Celebrity passenger and ship? If the drink package works and there is edible included food and decent nonrevenue places to lounge then the revenue would only come from a small number of people that upgrade especially compared to a Royal ship where one has to pay to escape crowds or for decent food. I realize you did the beach club. Fully supportive of stops at CocoCay over any other Caribbean port to better ensure a good beach/pool day, etc. (No cabs and buses to get anywhere, pan handlers, strays, village of Effy and Diamonds International, etc ). Just wish the dates worked better for our calendar.

Agreed. Airline tags will be placed on luggage by the airline, including any status tags, when it arrives at the airport.

It may very well vary and be specified on the menu, but the standard salmon filet tasted and appeared to be farm raised salmon typical of what's found at restaurants, flash frozen at U.S. supermarkets, and Costco/BJs/Sam's Clubs. We had sit down dinners at Rooftop, Eden and Luminae (Retreat). Among those we ate branzino, cod, halibut, corvina (Eden), and likely others. I cannot comment on the MDRs, but the salmon available from room service was probably from the MDR stock, as was a filet I had in Luminae one night when ordering from the "classic" menu.

Based on personal experience two weeks ago, it is possible to sail (in our case 10 days), enjoy a variety of food, and not gain a pound on the trip. (I had a recent scary cardiac issue and recovery has pushed me to recently drop weight and watch my intake of salt and saturated fat). We stuck to the same portions and types of foods we now eat at home. The suggestions above are excellent. Ability to eat healthy and tasty, with convenience, is also one of the top reasons we enjoyed our recent cruise despite some light popping and creaking in the cabin and some other hiccups (and Celebrity's yoyo on various cutbacks, advertising issues, etc) A few tactics we had: There are a lot of sauces, possible butter use, and salting, so we always asked for entrees without the three. This made it into my profile so often waiters knew in advance. Most calorie savings were done by sticking to oatmeal and berries at breakfast. We then avoided most of the breads, especially when one sees them over and over at different venues. We also avoided all the cold cuts and cheeses. With regard to the salads and vegetables, we often asked for a double order at restaurants (and would add salmon or chicken). We would also avoid the soups. At least on Beyond, for a few dinners, the evening vegetables and salad bar at the buffet with a small taste of other items was sometimes preferable to us versus Luminae. We also would grab apples for snacks. For recent medical reasons we had to cut out most alcohol and sugared drinks. We didn't hesitate to ask for some drinks, like a sparkling water, to be tossed in the blender with a dash of flavored syrup for taste. If we were splurging it was calculated like a bite of pizza from a slice that was hot and fresh, a portion of a good looking steak (no sauce), the ice cream flavor that I like and not because it was available, etc. Eden and Rooftop were accommodating. Eden Cafe seemed healthier than the Spa cafe offerings that were premade. We avoided the Mast Grill, but were in line during a food gap and needed lunch. We got out when the grill cook dripped sweat all over place. We said something to him (he was a manager) and got salmon from room service. I also did a lot of exercise each day, though I did take some elevators and many were visibly doing a lot more than me.

You may have a great time, and it may fit your needs. I find it hard to justify some of the pricing when the ships are 10-20+ years old and untouched in meaningful ways, e.g., same decor, cabin, etc. as 20 years ago. Hotels would usually update, discount, or rebadge to signify they aren't at the level any longer. Celebrity seems to march forward, and 20 years from now we'll still be wondering if the next Beyond drydock will fix the noise issue, dated decor, and maybe the magic carpet (which I like, but could see being permanently abandoned (such is the way of cruise lines and hotels with revolving restaurants) if maintenance is needed). Recent threads on here have had reports of older ships breaking down like Summit, rusting on various ships, and ancient cabins (fixture, cabins, carpet, HVAC systems, etc.). For some video on cabins that may fall into the needs work category: And None are the ship you're looking at, but they cause me to think most of the older ships are left with whatever it had on opening day and a friendly crew. One would need to do the analysis, but most do not seem substantially discounted compared to E Class for comparable itinerary and dates. (I don't see discounts happening where the older ships are being sold at budget prices out of the gate. Perhaps only if it's a shoulder period, they don't sell, a block is released, etc.).

I generally agree. Cruising is a bubble, and my take is many customers tolerate issues and react to things differently than they would on land. In our case, our room had a tolerable amount of noise and nothing as bad as what others have reportedly experienced most of the time. It's relative, but we all slept through the noise except on the rough sea days that increased the noise and sloshing. With that said, we still complained, questioned senior officers and had other issues. We had a good trip but that was despite the room noise and other issues. We probably would not go back on Beyond. Apex and Edge were more solid builds. The older ships, and for now, the 10 - 20 year old cabins and reports of rotting older ships don't do anything for us. As someone that has and does travel extensively (non cruises) there is a unique psychological effect that seems to take hold of customers being on an advanced booked, prepaid cruise experience where there is no choice or options once onboard. Few want to admit or believe a bad time. Plus Celebrity creates its own alternative universe and may actively try to keep public info on the issue quiet. The effect of everything is that customers are muted, they want to have a good time (and may have mitigating factors at play, like an unlimited drink package, love of a certain food item, fast friends with crew, etc) and that the cruise lines take advantage. On top of that, for some reason many cruise passengers tolerate the rigid excuses given that impinge on what one usually expects for reasonable hospitality (like a Retreat lounge that won't serve snacks except at fixed times, and they are straight from the OVC, butlergate, food cutbacks, perks listed that are illusory or already included, concierge lunch that happens before assigned check in times, etc) and the accepted cruise industry practice of building hotel cabins and spaces with no intent or plan to keep them fresh or renovated. It's even accepted that the senior officers get to gawk at the passengers in the plaza and become the entertainment (like the q and a or pool volleyball), but not acknowledge actual issues.

I've brought it up. They claim the shipyard has a team investigating. When asked what the status is they said it was ongoing, and its a big ship. The company doesn't care.

Glad it was a good experience. We did the catamaran excursion too, three weeks ago. It was well done, and we found the crew careful with our 6 year old. Off topic of the excursion, we had a similar rocky start and some rain for the start of the cruise until the first port day, and while the shipboard noise didn't dissipate the rest of the trip was mostly smooth sailing.

Fwiw-Over three trips to FLL, we have consistently had to cancel Lyfts and go with Uber when ordering a premium SUV. For some reasons the Lyfts were never Suburbans or equivalent without curved cargo areas.

This dates the cruise as being for an older demographic.