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[cruiserfanfromct]

Sadly Morgan & Sidari, there are some on this thread who would rather stick with the more salacious, sensationalised and frequently misreported side of this tragedy.

 

They are the voyeurs of this world, wanting to get a front row seat in the chance of seeing blood being spilt...the sort of people who take great pride in standing at a car crash, taking photo's rather than actually offer anything remotely constructive to the situation.

 

Making up cartoons...depicts them to be sick minded individuals....as only those sick in the mind would even attempt to make fun of a tragedy like this. It really quite pathetic behaviour but sadly common when accidents happen....only last week here in the UK, a police force were so disgusted by motorists driving by an accident where a driver was fighting for her life taking photo's of her plight that they aimed their on board cameras in their patrol cars onto those drivers and photographed them, and they will be receiving court notices in the post.

 

It's like those wanting to watch the removal of the wreck...its disgusting, it's voyeuristic...like vultures waiting for a body or body part to fall out of the wreckage...without so much as a thought to those directly affected by what happened...they do not care, all they want (as per the media) is that perfect view, that perfect photo or someone's grief....it's plain sick...

[Max49]

To get back on topic and away from the cartoonish stuff:

 

 

 

Regards,

MorganMars

 

I'm sorry if Captain Crunchetize offended anyone, I thought we all could use a good chuckle; And I thought even the Schettino defenders, have got to find this funny.

I hope no one takes this as disrespectful to the seriousness of this event, but even though we can not do any thing about it, this cartoon, as you call it , emphasizes my disdain for a captain who risks 4000 peoples lives with his arrogant driving and then cowardly jumps into a life boat.

I am amazed that some of you continue to "try" to make excuses for this man, for whatever reason. Maybe bleeding hearts, maybe it's just ''every body's fault, there are no winners or losers, we don't keep score and we don't want to make schettino feel bad"

Lighten up, get crunchetized

Edited August 25, 2012 by Max49

[Tonka's Skipper]

I am interested in the proccess of the lifting and recovery of the ship. Why anyone would think that this interest is in any way disgusting is beyond me.

 

David.

 

 

 

David don't feed the TROLL shes looking to bait you .

 

AKK

[cruiserfanfromct]

If any of you are in New York City from Sept 14 to Oct 20, the art exhibit by Swiss artist Thomas Hirschhorn dedicated to the Concordia should be interesting:

 

Thomas Hirschhorn

“Concordia, Concordia”

530 West 21st Street

September 14 – October 20, 2012

Opening September 13, 6 – 8 pm

 

Gladstone Gallery is pleased to announce the exhibition of “Concordia, Concordia” by Thomas Hirschhorn. The exhibition will feature a large-scale work inspired by the sinking of the cruise ship Costa Concordia, which ran aground off the coast of Italy in January 2012.

 

Artist's Statement:

 

As many people, I saw the pictures showing the inside of the sunken cruise ship Costa Concordia after the wreck. The floor emerging upright had become a wall, the wall was turned into a ceiling and the ceiling into the opposite wall. Every non-attached thing was floating in water, like a barricade in movement. A barricade made of all that points out the impassable and cumbersome inutility. I was struck by this apocalyptic upside down vision of the banal and cheap "nice, fake, and cozy" interior of the overturned ship. This pictures the uncertainty and precariousness of the past, of the present moment, and of the future. I saw it as an amusing and disturbing but nevertheless logical and convincing form. This must be the form of our contemporary disaster. This must be the ultimate expression of the precarious, which nobody wants to confront. "Get back on board, captain!" shouted the coast guard officer to the already safely landed captain of the Costa Concordia who refused to go back to his vessel. "Get back on board!" means there is definitely no escape – we have to confront the self-produced disaster in its incredible normality – there is no way out, there is no place to flee, there is no safe land anymore! This is the starting point that made me think of and start out to conceive the work "Concordia, Concordia."

 

I want to do something Big. To do something Big does not mean to do something monumental or gigantic. If something is Big, it’s because it needs to be Big. One must understand that necessity as such or within its own logic. That’s why, when making things Big, I do it myself, with my own hands, with my own materials, with my own visual vocabulary and with my own work. I do it in order to avoid the "Blow-Up" effect and I do it to avoid falling into the trap of "Pumping the Size." I want to do a Big work to show that the saying "Too Big to Fail" no longer makes any sense. On the contrary, when something is Too Big, it must Fail – this is what I want to give Form to. I want to understand this as a logic and this is the Form! This is what I want to explore, it is the grounding of my new work “Concordia, Concordia.” “Concordia, Concordia” brings back to mind the disastrous wreck of the cruise ship Costa Concordia and the images of the immersed ship in its confusing architecture. The flooded casino of consumption stands for evidence: the evidence of a coming disaster and the evidence of an announced failure. This is “Concordia, Concordia.”

 

- Thomas Hirschhorn

 

Hirschhorn's work will be presented concurrently by the Dia Art Foundation in “Timeline: Work in Public Space,” from September 15 – November 3, 2012 at 541 West 22nd Street, the site of the future Dia:Chelsea project space. The exhibition will feature a new large-scale collage of images, written statements, and text excerpts chronicling the artist’s interventions at urban and rural sites and will be presented in anticipation of Hirschhorn’s Gramsci Monument, the fourth and final project of Hirschhorn's Monument series, that Dia will present in summer 2013 in the Bronx or at another location in New York City.

 

A Conversation with Thomas Hirschhorn and Hal Foster, Townsend Martin '17 Professor of Art and Archaeology at Princeton University, will relaunch the Dia Discussions in Contemporary Culture series, on Saturday, September 15, at 6:30 pm.

 

Thomas Hirschhorn was born in 1957 in Bern, Switzerland, and now lives and works in Paris. His work has been the subject of numerous solo exhibitions including at the Institute of Contemporary Art, Boston; Centre Georges Pompidou, Paris; Museu d'Art Contemporani, Barcelona; Kunsthaus Zürich; Art Institute of Chicago; Museum Ludwig, Cologne; and Secession, Vienna. In 2003 he created the Musée Précaire Albinet, a temporary "Presence and Production" project in Aubervilliers, France. Additionally, he has taken part in many international group exhibitions, including the 2012 La Triennale at the Palais de Tokyo in Paris; the Swiss Pavilion of the 2011 Venice Biennale with his work Crystal of Resistance, Documenta 11 in Kassel, Germany, where his large-scale public work, Bataille Monument, was on view; “Heart of Darkness” at the Walker Art Center; and “Life on Mars: the 55th Carnegie International.” Hirschhorn was the recipient of the Prix Marcel Duchamp in 2000, the Joseph Beuys-Preis in 2004 and the Kurt Schwitters Prize in 2011.

 

[MorganMars]

Max,

 

There is a huge difference between a defense of Schettino and a defense of critical thinking and reasoned judgement.

 

Regards,

MorganMars

 

I am amazed that some of you continue to "try" to make excuses for this man, for whatever reason. Maybe bleeding hearts, maybe it's just ''every body's fault, there are no winners or losers, we don't keep score and we don't want to make schettino feel bad"

Lighten up, get crunchetized

[Uniall]

Max,

 

There is a huge difference between a defense of Schettino and a defense of critical thinking and reasoned judgement.

 

Regards,

MorganMars

 

MorganMars

 

You're from Florida. What were your views of the new reporting, investigation and trial of your fellow Floridian, Casey Anthony?

Were you views similar to the Captain?

 

John

[cruiserfanfromct]

I can't help but think what the outcome would have been had Schettino not been dining late and used critical thinking and reasoned judgement on the bridge of the Concordia on the night of January 13. For sure, we would not be discussing this now on CC. Of all the "what if" scenarios that have been presented, this one is probably the "what if" the families of the dead, those who were on the ship that night, the officials at Costa and the Giglio islanders would most wish for.

[sidari]

CT .... If it had not been January it was only a matter of time before it did happen around Giglio ...

[cruiserfanfromct]

CT .... If it had not been January it was only a matter of time before it did happen around Giglio ...

The way Schettino was playing fast and loose, I have no doubt you are right. Unfortunately, his gig is waaaay up. It's a shame his descent into an abyss of incompetence took innocent lives along the way.

[Max49]

CT .... If it had not been January it was only a matter of time before it did happen around Giglio ...

 

Hey Sid, we don't agree on much but I concur agree with that. If he hadn't hit the rock that time, he'd undoubtedly would get braver and more daring than his last "sail bye".

They need mature captains not some daredevil on an ego trip. I bet whoever made Schettino captain has been on the hotseat for awhile now.

[CostaSmurfette]

The Giglio accident was Schettino's THIRD known brush.

 

First was aboard Atlantica as he entered Rostock/Warnemunde.

 

Second was 4 weeks before the accident aboard Concordia when he left Marseille.

 

Third was also aboard Concordia at Giglio.

 

All done in the short time that he had upgraded from Staff Captain to full Captain.

 

Which begs the question, surely, was he READY to have the proverbial trainer wheels taken off....he seemed to get ahead of himself on three occasions, the previous two occasions did not get any form of censure from his superiors, so it is quite likely that he thought he had done no wrong...til his third brush.

 

The sail-by at Giglio was for Palombo's benefit....the same Palombo who told media that he "had reservations about his (Schettino) abilities".

 

Is it not possible therefore that Schettino, knowing that Palombo didn't much care for his style of captaincy, went for the sail-by as a way of "I'll SHOW you how good I am"?

 

Afterall, Palombo made it perfectly clear that despite training Schettino, he didn't much care for the man or his abilities....and what about another bridge officer on Concordia that night, his opinion of Schettino "he drove a ship like it was a Ferrari", Pellegrino also stated that Schettino was "a tough authoritarian" too.

 

So this accident was GOING to happen eventually...Schettino was not only allowed to continue as an unmonitored captain after two previous mistakes within a short space of time, but he was also dealing with two-faced fellow officers and superiors.

 

After running too fast into Rostock/Warnemunde, after leaving Marseille in force 10 winds when the other cruise ships remained in port for their safety....these two incidents should have proved that Schettino WAS NOT captaincy material.

 

However, it was missed or ignored and he went on to Giglio on that fateful night in January and finally he was stopped in his tracks...but not until he had a catastrophic accident that cost lives.

 

If Palombo, Pellegrino, Bosio, Christidis, Ambrosio & Coronica...and the others who worked with him...were so critical of his abilities and captaincy BEFORE the Giglio accident, the question MUST be asked as to why they did not say something sooner...had they of done, chances are that the accident WOULD NOT have happened.

[Tonka's Skipper]

I am afraid there will not be alot to see until they fisnish the underwater work on the anchoring dolphins for the wreck and the underwater bases for the platform they will roll it onto.

 

The sonpons (spl?) will also be interesting to see set up on the port side.

 

AKK

[balf]

[quote name=CostaSmurfette;

 

If Palombo' date=' Pellegrino, Bosio, Christidis, Ambrosio & Coronica...and the others who worked with him...were so critical of his abilities and captaincy BEFORE the Giglio accident, the question MUST be asked as to why they did not say something sooner...had they of done, chances are that the accident WOULD NOT have happened.[/quote]

 

Because real life does not work that way. Most of us have had work colleges who we knew were less than competent to do the job, but it takes a very brave guy to complain to management. Why do you think it has taken 13 years for Lance Armstrong's fellow riders to to blow the whistle?

 

David

[CostaSmurfette]

Because real life does not work that way. Most of us have had work colleges who we knew were less than competent to do the job, but it takes a very brave guy to complain to management. Why do you think it has taken 13 years for Lance Armstrong's fellow riders to to blow the whistle?

 

David

 

And the reason is simple.

 

No-one likes a whistleblower.

 

Companies, organisations, teams...hate whistleblowers, they belittle them, they disbelieve them and if anyone DOES have the balls to stand up and whistleblow, they suddenly find themselves sidelined not just by those they work with but sidelined from the entire industry (or sport).

 

The aviation industry changed their ways after countless accidents where fellow officers couldn't or wouldn't question the actions of a colleague on the flightdeck.

 

This accident, and the two other (known about, for all anyone knows there could well be more than two previous incidents...chances are that there are more than two others) incidents involving Schettino have happened almost entirely due to those around him not feeling they would be listened to, believed or through pure fear against losing face or their employment had they spoken up about his obvious failings and unsuitability as a captain.

 

Get rid of the anti-whistleblower ethos that is rife in certain industries, sports etc and you will go a long way to get rid of human error that leads to accidents. The longer people cannot or will not speak up when they see something wrong, the more people will die as a result.

 

It's as simple as that.

[OleSalt]

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[Tonka's Skipper]

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Thank You....:D

 

AKK

[Ken711]

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Or caissons.

 

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[Uniall]

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[DocF]

Caissons are boxes which are attached, usually to the floor of a body of water, to allow men to work inside. Sponsons are boxes attached to the side of a ship's hull, usually to increase the stability of a very tender hull. I do not know how the term caisson got applied to the devices to be used in the righting of the Costa Concordia although I suspect this is from translation issues dating from the original press release in Italian.

 

I know enough about salvage work to want to use the correct term. I also am, as a former English major, a bit fussy about using the correct word.

 

Doc:p

[CostaSmurfette]

A reference was made a few pages back regarding Exxon Valdez...well she is about to be beached for the last time in India..having survived the rocks at the hands of her drunk captain, she has been repaired, renamed, reregistered and lots of things inbetween...she is to be beached at Alang and broken up for scrap...

 

http://www.bairdmaritime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13323:exxon-valdez-scrapped&catid=111:general-shipping-news&Itemid=205

 

Not a bad life for what still remains one of the worst environmental disasters in US history.

 

Considering it was in 1989 when she was driven onto rocks, its taken quite a while for her to get broken up.....

 

Concordia could end up the same way...if someone offers her owners (the insurance company, not CCL since CCL relinquished ownership as soon as she was classed as CTL)...Concordia could end up as a livestock carrier, car carrier...ferry even...in some backwater region where no-one will have heard of her or her history.

 

Never say never....old Concordia could well rise again...maybe a bit shorter (as per Exxon Valdex)...but she could come back as a whole new ship if the price is right.

[balf]

What was the condition of the Valdes after the incident excluding the damage to the hull? Concordia would need engines and running gear as well as a load of other equipment. There are surely many ships standing idle worldwide that would be far cheaper to use.

 

David.

[Uniall]

[DocF]

As to the former Exxon Valdez, a 25 year old tanker is very old, indeed. These ships (tankers of that vintage) were built for a 5 year economic life. They were cheaply constructed hulls, usually built with one inadequate steam turbine and one boiler as the mechanicals were a major part of the cost.

 

This is one very tired hulk. It has followed the usual course for these old tankers, with numerous ownership changes and drifting down the food chain to even more lowly flag of convenience operators. These ships need to be removed from the world's fleet now.

 

Regarding the future of the Costa Concordia, until the hulk is in the hands of the ship yard and drydocked for evaluation, one can only speculate as to the cost of rehabilitation for further service. Remember, the replacement cost of this ship would be about $1 billion. If the salvage and repair bills will amount to a sum considerably less than that, the Costa Concordia will most likely be returned to service for some cruise line.

 

Doc

[DocF]

I note from the Giglio webcam that another ring of the funnel has been removed. The uptakes are all out, so only the bottom ring of the funnel is left.

 

Doc

[CostaSmurfette]

What was the condition of the Valdes after the incident excluding the damage to the hull? Concordia would need engines and running gear as well as a load of other equipment. There are surely many ships standing idle worldwide that would be far cheaper to use.

 

David.

 

Concordia was a large ship...but the majority of the superstructure above the main hull is lightweight, non steel (keeps the weight down, thus allowing to build so high).

 

So once upright and in drydock, that superstructure will be shaved off...it is that part which has taken the brunt of the damage since she settled in her current position.

 

The hole(s) in the steel hull...not a problem...either replate or cut & shut (Valdez was a cut and shut...the damaged area cut out, hull welded back together, she was shorter than her original state but still able to return to work).

 

Powerplant requirement would be significantly less for a cattle carrier than a cruise ship...although to some there is little difference tween the two in regard to capacity.

 

Cut and shut has been done for years...and lets not forget that Concordia's hull is less than 10 years old she is still a very young ship, which goes on her side when it comes to making a decision about her future.

 

In the right hands, in the right yard she could be rebuilt and she could have a long life ahead of her. She wouldn't be the first CTL to come back from the dead. She still has alot going for her once you take away the lightweight upper structures and gut her hull out...get rid of all that and she could be viable. Once she is down to a bare hull without the superstructure, the damage will be better assessed...and after all is said and done, cabin modules etc can be built quickly too, the entire top decks could be rebuilt...

 

The options are endless as to what can be done with her...being a CTL is not a guaranteed end.