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[SomeBeach]

If it happens we should do what we did before and ignore him. We are a friendly bunch and long may it stay that way. We are a friendly bunch on here, some with great knowledge, some with little knowledge and me, and long may it continue. We can do without the nutters thank you.

 

Clive, you aren't alone in the "me" column. I'm right next to you. :D

What brought him here was the link. Since BE visited and has done the "nutters" elimination cure perhaps he can share a small bit of what he found, without quotes so we won't need a link.

At the very least, tell us if he's enjoyed the crow he had to eat. My guess would be he's already explaining why the tow away won't work. ;)

Edited September 18, 2013 by SomeBeach

[clive and anne]

Yeh SB ....... but don't we ask some good questions.

[clive and anne]

OK nearly my bedtime but I will leave you with this question.

 

If you could ask Nick Sloane one question, what would it be?

 

Night Night everyone,(still recovering from our 22 hour shift on Monday/ Tuesday)

[swedish weave]

I believe this job could put Nick Sloane in the same category as Red Adair. Both did what a lot of the "experts" said was impossible !!

[SomeBeach]

Yeh SB ....... but don't we ask some good questions.

 

Yes we do. We keep these folks are their toes with our questions. :D

What would I ask Mr Sloane:

Knowing there were some naysayers out there, how did you (Mr Sloane) keep such a positive attitude about the parbuckle and extend that attitude to the crew?

Edited September 19, 2013 by SomeBeach

[rubicondsrv]

I had wondered ever since we first saw the port side sponsons why they were spaced the way they are. Just figured it was structural. Then I saw the location of the damage to the starboard side and wondered if it is a coincidence that the gaps in the spacing line up with the damage? Has the plan always been to keep all the sponsons all parallel/lined up? Will that make it easier to attach the starboard sponsons? That is, avoiding the damaged areas??

 

It is likely planned that way to make attachment easier, and to keep the assembly stable.

 

Although the damage had not been seen on the surface before, it is something the salvage crew would have known about from early on.

 

Ships grounded for long amounts of time always experience extensive damage from waves, and other loads that they were not designed for.

[GMCOLT]

I thought you all would find it interesting that parbuckling was used to raise the USS Olkahoma after it was sunk in the attack on Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941. Although she was shorter than concordia, her actual weight was in the range of 30, 000 tons. Cruise ship weight is not actual weight, therefore Concordia was much less in actual weight, closer to the Battleships weight.

The salvage turned her from bottom up to upright. She was patched and sank while being towed to the US.

[Bella cruiser]

Hi

I, like everyone else, have been watching this operation with fascination. One aspect has confused me a little, I wonder if anyone can tell me why did the salvagers cut CC's funnel off?

 

I can understand if it was so badly damaged that it risked collapse during the righting of the vessel, or it was a critical balance issue. However, if it was just to remove the Costa logo it seems a little extreme to me to get the oxy out for this and remove all this steel when they could have just have painted it out.:confused::confused:

 

I am sorry if this has been answered before, I could have missed it in this massive fast moving thread.

[luisrp]

It was cut early on and I think it was just to get it out of the way. It survived intact as you can see in the early pictures after the accident. They also removed the slides in the top deck and the radar mast also in the top deck forward. They were the tallest structures in the ship and I think they were removed just to make things more comfortable for the salvage operation since I don't think the funnel added any significant weight.

 

The Costa logo is visible in other parts of the ship such as one of the upper decks where it has been visible all the time, not to mention all places where the name "Costa Concordia" is on the ship, including the bow, the stern, a huge sign on the side that used to be illuminated, smaller text on the corner near the stern, another sign on the top deck which was partially submerged... It was also on the ship's bell but sadly it was stolen.

[SomeBeach]

Bella, it wasn't to get rid of the logo. I believe it was in the way.

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Discovery Channel:

The recovery will be the focus of a special INSIDE RAISING CONCORDIA to air Friday, September 20 at 10 PM E/P on Discovery and to broadcast in over 220 countries and territories around the world.

 

Discovery has done other programs on Concordia so some footage may be old. However this seems to indicate the show will mostly be about the parbuckle.

Check your local listings.

[SomeBeach]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue]For those that don't come to the Recovery thread...[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff]Discovery Channel:[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
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The recovery will be the focus of a special [B]INSIDE RAISING CONCORDIA to air Friday, September 20 at 10 PM E/P on Discovery [/B]and to broadcast in over 220 countries and territories around the world.

[Bearded Engineer]

[quote name='SomeBeach'][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue]Clive, you aren't alone in the "me" column. I'm right next to you. :D[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff]What brought him here was the link. Since BE visited and has done the "nutters" elimination cure perhaps he can share a small bit of what he found, without quotes so we won't need a link.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff]At the very least, tell us if he's enjoyed the crow he had to eat. My guess would be he's already explaining why the tow away won't work. ;)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/quote]

Good Morning (or afternoon, whichever the case may be:)) I can tell you that he continued his penchant for fabricating facts to his own purposes. He said that the ship was righted after applying more that 7000 tons of force when from Nick Sloanes own lips we know that the ship began to rotate at 6000 tons and that was the peak force. He said that at 10:00 hours loud noises where heard and that the starboard bilge keel and hull were severly damaged by the parbuckling. I guess he is either psychic or was there in person in SCUBA gear observing the operation to see and hear all this. He said the media won't report any of this because the media only tells us what the ship owners and insurance companies allow the media to tell us. Then he went back into his harangue about how the Titan/Micoperi salvage plan is designed to milk money from the insurance companies while his proposed plan was much simpler and the ship would have been moved long before this if they had used his plan. Truly a man living in a world of his own creation.

[Bearded Engineer]

[quote name='swedish weave']I believe this job could put Nick Sloane in the same category as Red Adair. Both did what a lot of the "experts" said was impossible !![/quote]

But with John Wayne dead, who are they going to get to play Nick in the movie?;)

[clive and anne]

Just noticed this on The parbuckling website in relation to the use of footage which is owned by Costa Croceire

[B]RESTRICTIONS[/B]: News access only. To be used exclusively in news and news programs dedicated to the parbuckling operation until October 31, 2013. No archive use.

So we may have to wait awhile for the big productions.

[SomeBeach]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue]Thanks BE. Not really surprised with the new direction.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff]Looks like authorities will start the search for the missing today.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[URL]http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/19/20579469-husband-of-missing-costa-concordia-victim-i-wonder-if-she-has-been-swept-out-to-sea?lite[/URL]

[Host Mick]

[quote name='Bella cruiser']Hi
I, like everyone else, have been watching this operation with fascination. One aspect has confused me a little, I wonder if anyone can tell me why did the salvagers cut CC's funnel off?

I can understand if it was so badly damaged that it risked collapse during the righting of the vessel, or it was a critical balance issue. However, if it was just to remove the Costa logo it seems a little extreme to me to get the oxy out for this and remove all this steel when they could have just have painted it out.:confused::confused:

I am sorry if this has been answered before, I could have missed it in this massive fast moving thread.[/quote]

I suppose that it's to free the upper deck from obstructions. The masts and slides are gone too. When they begin lowering the starboard side sponsons into place, there's going to be a lot of rigging swinging over the decks. They want no snags.

[bigeck]

[quote name='Host Mick']I suppose that it's to free the upper deck from obstructions. The masts and slides are gone too. When they begin lowering the starboard side sponsons into place, there's going to be a lot of rigging swinging over the decks. They want no snags.[/quote]
When they get around to attaching the sponsons. Will they have to put some sort of girder system in to fix them too. The damage looks worse than expected (to us anyway) Will this add weight to the starboard side and will this cause a balance problem. I know they can distribute the water in the sponsons to level it. Edited September 19, 2013 by bigeck

[luisrp]

We cannot judge the complexity of the job from what we can see right now. The sponsons will not be attached to the superstructure which is what we are seeing now. They will be attached to the hull which we are yet to see what condition it is since no images have been published yet. The starboard side sponsons are entirely underwater now except for the top portion of the taller ones with the swinging platforms containing the generators and all hydraulic control stuff. The hull may be completely destroyed but just the same it could be mostly intact.

This also brings me to another question. Most of the strandjacks ended up below the surface. Are these things water proof and can they be just recovered to be used again or were they sacrificed? Edited September 20, 2013 by luisrp

[Bearded Engineer]

[quote name='GMCOLT']I thought you all would find it interesting that parbuckling was used to raise the USS Olkahoma after it was sunk in the attack on Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941. Although she was shorter than concordia, her actual weight was in the range of 30, 000 tons. Cruise ship weight is not actual weight, therefore Concordia was much less in actual weight, closer to the Battleships weight.
The salvage turned her from bottom up to upright. She was patched and sank while being towed to the US.[/quote]

Sorry we ignored you but we covered this somewhere back around page 60 of this thread. It is a very interesting topic.

[Bearded Engineer]

[quote name='luisrp']We cannot judge the complexity of the job from what we can see right now. The sponsons will not be attached to the superstructure which is what we are seeing now. They will be attached to the hull which we are yet to see what condition it is since no images have been published yet. The starboard side sponsons are entirely underwater now except for the top portion of the taller ones with the swinging platforms containing the generators and all hydraulic control stuff. The hull may be completely destroyed but just the same it could be mostly intact.

This also brings me to another question. Most of the strandjacks ended up below the surface. Are these things water proof and can they be just recovered to be used again or were they sacrificed?[/quote]

Everything you ever wanted to know about strand jacks: [URL]http://www.dormanlongtechnology.com/en/Products/strand_jacks.htm[/URL]

Click on the brochure link to get some good cut-away pictures of a strand jack.

Here is a quote from their brochure: "Corrosion protection to all exposed and running surfaces for long life and suitable for use in a
[LEFT]marine environment"

It says nothing about working submerged but I would think the two problem areas would be the cable clamps and the electronic devices. I would suspect that if the strand jacks are submerged for any length of time they would have to be overhauled before they can be used again.[/LEFT]

[Bearded Engineer]

For those who have access, watch the Discovery Channel tonight at 10:00pm EST

"Discovery will air a one-hour special, called "Inside Raising the [I]Concordia[/I]," that captures the major salvage operation taking place to raise the [I]Costa Concordia[/I], and to reveal the inside story as told by the elite team of TITAN Salvage-Micoperi engineers who are tasked with the seemingly impossible - rotating the massive ship into an upright position and eventually removing it from the sea.
The show, which is set to premier on Friday, September 20, at 10:00 p.m. EST., will air on the Discovery Channel in more than 220 countries and territories. Viewers are also now able to watch never-before-seen, time-lapse footage of the ship’s recovery at [url]www.discovery.com/RaisingTheConcordia[/url].
In this one-hour special, Discovery will show how the TITAN-Micoperi engineers prepped for the job, which included building colossal barges complete with a hospital, gym and living quarters for the hundreds of divers and specialists. It will also reveal the step-by-step process involved with pulling the ship upright – a process known as parbuckling – and how they plan to refloat it before finally being towed away to be scrapped."

[Ken711]

Will there be any risk of movement on the platforms from winter storm waves crashing against the now upright port side of the CC, even the ship sits partially submerged?

[clive and anne]

I have been trying to find when the Discovery programme is being aired in the UK. Anybody know ??

[Host Mick]

I've searched the threads but I can't find an answer to the question:

Where's the rock?

You know, THAT rock.

[Mike.Minh]

[quote name='clive and anne']I have been trying to find when the Discovery programme is being aired in the UK. Anybody know ??[/QUOTE]

Sun 22 Sept 8pm Discovery HD
Sun 22 Sept 8pm Discovery
Sun 22 Sept 9 pm on Discovery+1
Mon 23 Sept 12 pm on Discovery HD
Mon 23 Sept 12 pm on Discovery
Mon 23 Sept 1 pm on the Discovery+1

This is for SKY sat service.
HTH