What has happened to the Disney company

[Gary from PA]

There is 2 web sites quoting the 5th ships. I will find the links, as for the people that was at a stock holders meeting.

 

 

If you see the Fantasy Launch webpage of the DCL , it says :-

 

 

DCL has "options" to order two more Dream class ships with the Meyer Werft shipbuilders.

 

If you know what option stands for when ordering large airliners and cruise ships , it means they have first rights to order, but have not actually ordered the two more ships.

 

So it depends on the economy and how the Dream and Fantasy get filled with full fare paying passengers.

[BaronVonIggy]

Please share with "us" (see further elaboration of "us" below).

 

The link below is the one thing I read recently from this board through the word of a poster here. Of course I don't have any way to prove right/wrong (but it does make sense to me) ... I mean, in the market place today the only constant is change. I don't expect DCL had all things planned out 10 years ago to initially schedule the Mexican Riveria itinerary and then cancel them and switch it to sailing out of Miami.

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showpost.php?p=33510802&postcount=6

 

 

 

My version of "Us" - posters on this board here, which each of us are individual. Don't try to generalize the term "DCL fan", which I think you are also one of them since you've shown an interest by visiting this forum and starting a thread, otherwise why bother, but I could be wrong.

 

 

Yes I have a love for Disney and all things Disney.

 

But why do so many people on this forum attack you when you ask something they don't like.

 

You on the other hand come off as a nice person here to help and not attack. That is a nice sign, I am sorry to have lumped all the kind nice people with the rude ones.

 

Thank you

[Tonka's Skipper]

Huh! I'm not sure what question I asked. I was responding to a question.

 

As for "in this economy"... cruise travel actually benefits from a down economy... well unless you are priced high like DCL and need to bring rates down a bit.

 

http://www.eturbonews.com/15014/cruise-lines-business-good-and-getting-better

 

Don't believe me? Check out the stock prices. My RCL has gone from 8 - 28 "in this economy".

 

As for your occupancy rates - pleases provide support - I'm actually interested in those numbers but didn't see them on a quick google search and I don't feel like reading through financial statements to get them at the moment.

 

 

Its was awhile back on the Travel convention press issues where they was discussing the general decline after the concordia and overall capacity sailinges over the last years.etc....I cant find it know.

 

You were asking why was DCL better..my point was just that DCl sails easyly in to 100 to 80% range where most of the line being discussed are at 67%.....and thats with DCL prices............they are doing something right and thats to put out a better cruise which more people are willing to pay the higher price.

 

Look everyone like different ships and lines.....my problem with folks saying Dcl is not better, is that only point they make is that they cost more then YWZ line, (which is not always true)......not one has ever said there favorite line has better ships, service food.etc.etc.etc.they all generally admit that the DCL product is better!

 

 

Of course, (looking of my shoulder).LOL.I am sure folks are now going to come back to flame that statement about thier better lines....

 

 

Bottom Line.......we are all entitled to our own opinions...!

[Tonka's Skipper]

If you see the Fantasy Launch webpage of the DCL , it says :-

 

 

DCL has "options" to order two more Dream class ships with the Meyer Werft shipbuilders.

 

If you know what option stands for when ordering large airliners and cruise ships , it means they have first rights to order, but have not actually ordered the two more ships.

 

So it depends on the economy and how the Dream and Fantasy get filled with full fare paying passengers.

 

 

 

You are correct.....the option is there for the 2 dream class vessels, but there is also plans and designs being looked at for a middle sized class(say 105,o00 tons) between the Dream and Magic vessels. Many people see the Dream class as To BIG.

 

...........IMHO that will be the new class of vessels.

 

DCL will likely be 8 to 10 ships at some time in the future.......but not for 15 years or so

 

AKK

[Friend100]

DCL will likely be 8 to 10 ships at some time in the future.......but not for 15 years or so

 

AKK

 

IMO, this will be dependent on the continual growth of the intrinsic value of the Disney brand (the company's most valuable asset), dependent on the global recognition, awarenesss, and embracing of Disney brand to the people in countries like China, India, etc., and the continued economic growth of these countries.

[Gary from PA]

Many people see the Dream class as To BIG.

 

Not me.

 

It is perfect to enjoy all the facilities on the ship, even though the pools are too small.

 

 

I am hoping that Disney comes out with OASIS class ship without the central open area and looking like a real classic steam ship

[Tonka's Skipper]

IMO, this will be dependent on the continual growth of the intrinsic value of the Disney brand (the company's most valuable asset), dependent on the global recognition, awarenesss, and embracing of Disney brand to the people in countries like China, India, etc., and the continued economic growth of these countries.

 

 

 

Totally agreed.........however the disney brand.ie Micket especailly is already loved and admired all though the asian world...especailly India and China.so they are well on there way.:D

 

I see this continuing as long as the management remembers Walts principals and that is was all started with a mouse:rolleyes:

 

AKK

[Friend100]

Totally agreed.........however the disney brand.ie Micket especailly is already loved and admired all though the asian world...especailly India and China.so they are well on there way.:D

 

I see this continuing as long as the management remembers Walts principals and that is was all started with a mouse:rolleyes:

 

AKK

 

The lack of a casino maybe a deal-breaker for some of them. Cruise vacation is still a relatively "new thing" there ... and who knows who else, maybe the Russian too?

[Host Mick]

Yes I have a love for Disney and all things Disney.

 

But why do so many people on this forum attack you when you ask something they don't like.

 

...

Thank you

 

They're called fans. Fans are everywhere and they all have their favorite football team, baseball team, company, TV shows, actors, cruise lines and even specific ships. When you say something critical of a fan's favorite, they react. It's human nature, it makes for conversation, we recognize it and even encourage it up to a point. That point is when it crosses from being about the topic to personal. From the Guidelines (linked to at the top of every post):

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[Tonka's Skipper]

The lack of a casino maybe a deal-breaker for some of them. Cruise vacation is still a relatively "new thing" there ... and who knows who else, maybe the Russian too?

 

 

 

Lets look at a ship casino............its not very big.......and even when crowded there is not alot of poeple in ther............now compare that to the number of people on the ship.,its not a high % gambling I am thinking!

 

Now 20 years ago, before all the casinos in the states popped up....I think is was a bigger part of cruising.........but today not so much.

 

The far east has had lots of casinos forever.........now would DCL not having a casino bother the folks in the far east.I dont think it would be a big deal.....after all still a fmaily/kid criuse product.......the same excellent cruise product that the 4 ship sell now and have been very successful doing.

 

IMHO..In about 10 years, the Magic and/or the Wonder will be the first DCL vessels to dip her bow into the far east/aussie waters...we will all have to wait until then to see what happens!

 

AKK

 

PS.I enjoy a night over at the indian casinos now and then......but its not important to me on a cruise. Actually I go for a good steak more!:D

[Friend100]

Many people see the Dream class as To BIG.

 

Not me.

 

It is perfect to enjoy all the facilities on the ship' date=' even though the pools are too small.

 

 

I am hoping that Disney comes out with OASIS class ship without the central open area and looking like a real classic steam ship[/quote']

 

If I were cruising for the onboard experience, for the Disney theme, the shows, firework, etc., then I like the current size of the Dream/Fantasy. If I were cruising for the destination, to explore different ports, get a flavour of the different culture, etc., at a reasonable price and in a relaxed laid-back atmosphere, then a Holland America DAM ship is my preference! :)

[Tonka's Skipper]

They're called fans. Fans are everywhere and they all have their favorite football team, baseball team, company, TV shows, actors, cruise lines and even specific ships. When you say something critical of a fan's favorite, they react. It's human nature, it makes for conversation, we recognize it and even encourage it up to a point. That point is when it crosses from being about the topic to personal. From the Guidelines (linked to at the top of every post):

Please, don't attack another poster or group of posters. Do not harass, threaten, embarrass, or do anything else to another member that is unwanted. This means: don't say bad things about them, don't keep sending them unwanted Instant Message notes, don't attack their race, heritage, or their sexual orientation, etc.

If you disagree with someone, respond to the subject, not the person.

Postings of this nature will be removed from the boards.

 

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I Totally agree,

 

(Mick this agreeing thing is getting scary.:rolleyes:)

 

Baron,

 

IMHO.you started this thread thinking everyone would agree and jump on DCL and complain that its to much money. Agree with you that the Disney Company went wrong to use your own words.

 

The more people demonstrated and discussed why DCL is better and worth the price, the more you seemed to get nasty and they responded in kind.

 

For myself if I got a bid sneaky.I am sorry about that.

 

But the bottom line is that Dcl puts out a better cruise product and the charge more and the people are willing to spend the money.

 

The higher occupensy % on most of, if not all DCL cruises are way above the other lines. DCL averge 87% give or take,a average of other cruise lines is more like 63% (of course all the lines go higher and lower on some vessels/cruises and are 100%)

 

The Disney Company as a whole almost always (well a few movies bomb now and then) put out a better product.....a Family product and people respond and are willing to pay for it.

 

Thus..bottom line........the thread title is a mistake.....its plain wrong.

 

*steps down and puts my soapbox away*

 

AKK

[Tonka's Skipper]

If I were cruising for the onboard experience, for the Disney theme, the shows, firework, etc., then I like the current size of the Dream/Fantasy. If I were cruising for the destination, to explore different ports, get a flavour of the different culture, etc., at a reasonable price and in a relaxed laid-back atmosphere, then a Holland America DAM ship is my preference! :)

 

 

 

I agree HAL is a good line. ( I Was going south bound once in the Cuba Straits on one of my tnaker and the northbound old Rotterdam was pushing me it towards the reef.I had an rather nasty VHF conversation with her bridge watch to get them to give me some more spcae..LOL) ......I have to admit I like the classic size vessel as DCL more then the Dream......but.to each their own!:D

[war_eagle99]

The higher occupensy % on most of' date=' if not all DCL cruises are way above the other lines. DCL averge 87% give or take,a average of other cruise lines is more like 63% (of course all the lines go higher and lower on some vessels/cruises and are 100%)

[/quote']

 

 

Ok - I couldn't stand not knowing so I did a little research. The statement you are making about 63% is misleading and not even close. Per the North American Cruise Statistics Quarterly 86% of 2000+ passenger ships sailed with a capacity over 100% (that means they averaged more than two passengers per room) - numbers were from 4th qtr 2011

 

In the spirit of fairness the report states Disney was the high outlier (though it doesn't say how high) that makes sense considering the family cruise nature means more than 2 to a cabin. The low end were repositioning cruises (also logical)

 

I don't doubt you heard that number from somewhere and if it was the week after the Concordia or Mexican Swine Flu it just could have been a one off.

[BaronVonIggy]

I Totally agree' date='

 

(Mick this agreeing thing is getting scary.:rolleyes:)

 

Baron,

 

IMHO.you started this thread thinking everyone would agree and jump on DCL and complain that its to much money. Agree with you that the Disney Company went wrong to use your own words.

 

The more people demonstrated and discussed why DCL is better and worth the price, the more you seemed to get nasty and they responded in kind.

 

For myself if I got a bid sneaky.I am sorry about that.

 

But the bottom line is that Dcl puts out a better cruise product and the charge more and the people are willing to spend the money.

 

The higher occupensy % on most of, if not all DCL cruises are way above the other lines. DCL averge 87% give or take,a average of other cruise lines is more like 63% (of course all the lines go higher and lower on some vessels/cruises and are 100%)

 

The Disney Company as a whole almost always (well a few movies bomb now and then) put out a better product.....a Family product and people respond and are willing to pay for it.

 

Thus..bottom line........the thread title is a mistake.....its plain wrong.

 

*steps down and puts my soapbox away*

 

AKK[/quote']

 

 

You are right should have named it some thing different and as I look back. Maybe I should have asked more the change in pricing, when did that happen. In 98 they 5, 10 or some times 20% high then the market and they stayed that way for a very long time. I have been looking as of late and you could push me over with a feather.

 

I so understand what you said, but I still don't see why so many attack the other lines.

[Host Mick]

I agree HAL is a good line. ( I Was going south bound once in the Cuba Straits on one of my tnaker and the northbound old Rotterdam was pushing me it towards the reef.I had an rather nasty VHF conversation with her bridge watch to get them to give me some more spcae..LOL) ......I have to admit I like the classic size vessel as DCL more then the Dream......but.to each their own!:D

 

Just give her five whistles. That would sufficiently scare everyone on the bridge hoping that the master didn't hear it.

[Tonka's Skipper]

Ok - I couldn't stand not knowing so I did a little research. The statement you are making about 63% is misleading and not even close. Per the North American Cruise Statistics Quarterly 86% of 2000+ passenger ships sailed with a capacity over 100% (that means they averaged more than two passengers per room) - numbers were from 4th qtr 2011

 

In the spirit of fairness the report states Disney was the high outlier (though it doesn't say how high) that makes sense considering the family cruise nature means more than 2 to a cabin. The low end were repositioning cruises (also logical)

 

I don't doubt you heard that number from somewhere and if it was the week after the Concordia or Mexican Swine Flu it just could have been a one off.

 

OK..I check and thats what it says and general figure of 63% I gave I have seen repeated a number of times. What does not make sense is everyone who cruised last year knows the ship of carnival, RCL, NCL, etc.etc.were not selling out cabins.were not at 100%....

 

Ok that said...for the sake of this discussion......I'll take your figures.......but the point is by your own figures......DCL is charging higher rates and still out selling at a higher % then the other lines..which goes back to...the better product.....thats the bottom line.

 

 

AKK

[war_eagle99]

 

Ok that said...for the sake of this discussion......I'll take your figures.......but the point is by your own figures......DCL is charging higher rates and still out selling at a higher % then the other lines..which goes back to...the better product.....thats the bottom line.

 

 

I think "Better" is relative. No one cruise line is best for everyone and nobody including the OP should be attacked for starting what I think is a pretty valid conversation.

 

The Disney high rates are no doubt due to a small number of ships offered but the fact they are full doesn't make then the winner. Are they best for families - probably. Are they the best line for retirees cruising without kids - probably not. Are they the best for spring breakers or college kids looking to blow off some steam - no (I might even get PA Gary to agree with that).

 

Bottom line - DCL is an excellent cruise line that provides a great family cruise but some cruisers can have just as much fun or even more fun on different ships. If you consider most cruise lines somewhat equal like I do then price becomes the deciding factor.

[Tonka's Skipper]

Just give her five whistles. That would sufficiently scare everyone on the bridge hoping that the master didn't hear it.

 

 

Well the whistle would have done just that.....gotten the Captain all upset!...lol......he did finnially did give me some space...... I was also worried about getting to close to the Cuban gunboats! You have to remember this was 1980 or so!

[Gary from PA]

 

Bottom line - DCL is an excellent cruise line that provides a great family cruise but some cruisers can have just as much fun or even more fun on different ships. If you consider most cruise lines somewhat equal like I do then price becomes the deciding factor.

 

Has anyone held a gun to your head to force you to cruise with DCL ?

 

Or do you have a secret crush on Mickey mouse but don't want to pay his rates ??

[Tonka's Skipper]

Bottom line - DCL is an excellent cruise line that provides a great family cruise but some cruisers can have just as much fun or even more fun on different ships.

 

 

OK......WE got there....I totally agree with your post above!. Every ship or line is not best for everyone and vice versa!

 

If we meet up on a ship somewhere.I'll buy the First round!

 

 

AKK.......:D

[Tonka's Skipper]

You are right should have named it some thing different and as I look back. Maybe I should have asked more the change in pricing, when did that happen. In 98 they 5, 10 or some times 20% high then the market and they stayed that way for a very long time. I have been looking as of late and you could push me over with a feather.

 

I so understand what you said, but I still don't see why so many attack the other lines.

 

 

 

I dont think its so much attack.......as it is a DEBATE.........If you want to justifie your postion you have to prove the other guys points as wrong or in this case...the other line is not as good as DCL.

 

I listed my reasoning a page or 2 back to War Eagle 99..I do bleeive my points.....that siad....I have no problem on RCL or celebrity.but it is a different type of exprience or show.......I dont care for NCL.I do have problems with Carnival line and Carnival corporation.......but thats a long story

 

AKK

[BaronVonIggy]

I dont think its so much attack.......as it is a DEBATE.........If you want to justifie your postion you have to prove the other guys points as wrong or in this case...the other line is not as good as DCL.

 

I listed my reasoning a page or 2 back to War Eagle 99..I do bleeive my points.....that siad....I have no problem on RCL or celebrity.but it is a different type of exprience or show.......I dont care for NCL.I do have problems with Carnival line and Carnival corporation.......but thats a long story

 

AKK

 

 

I had said something about spending time with great people from England, Germany and Hungry on a Carnival ship. Then someone said you mean the drunks chair hogs and porn stars. That is an attack or the so called typical American traveling.

 

I get it most of you don't like Carnival, didn't like having to pay for a soda or you saw someone get drunk. My family has not ever had a problem with them and we have not seen most of the thing you speak of, now we have only been on 5 Carnival cruises and 2 Costa cruises. I think that's all of the Carnival corp cruises we have done. All of the stuff people are saying happens we have never seen.

 

That is why I think what I said in the first part of this post would be called an attack. I guy called one of my post intelligent that's all he had to say, and now what I post about line share and % you guys are all talking. I think hes even one of them talking about it.

[S.S.Oceanlover]

OK..I check and thats what it says and general figure of 63% I gave I have seen repeated a number of times. What does not make sense is everyone who cruised last year knows the ship of carnival' date=' RCL, NCL, etc.etc.were not selling out cabins.were not at 100%....

 

Ok that said...for the sake of this discussion......I'll take your figures.......but the point is by your own figures......DCL is charging higher rates and still out selling at a higher % then the other lines..which goes back to...the better product.....thats the bottom line.

 

 

AKK[/quote']

 

I don't know anything about RCI, or NCL as far as capacity goes but I will guarantee you that CCL didn't sail at anywhere near 63% capacity.

 

I am looking now to try and find out what the actual figures are and will,post as soon as i can find them.

 

Disney deserves a premium and is of course selling out. They only have 4 ships to fill.

 

Bill

[S.S.Oceanlover]

I don't know anything about RCI, or NCL as far as capacity goes but I will guarantee you that CCL didn't sail at anywhere near 63% capacity.

 

I am looking now to try and find out what the actual figures are and will,post as soon as i can find them.

 

Disney deserves a premium and is of course selling out. They only have 4 ships to fill.

 

Bill

 

OK found the info. Carnival Corporations North American cruise lines, Carnival, Princess, Holland America sailed at a capacity of 106.2% in 2011, 105.6% in 2010, and 105.5% in 2009.

 

Also found out digging up this info Carnival cruise lines has 23 ships and 58,274 berths to fill on a weekly basis to achieve 100% capacity and Disney has 4 ships and 8508 berths to fill on a weekly basis to sail at 100%.

 

Bill