Smoking

[Madkitty]

Does anyone know if P&O have announced anything new r.e smoking on the ships? Just curious for Ventura next year.

[The Monocled Mutineer]

Currently in the fleet smoking is restricted to some of the open decks, the casino and certain parts of some bars and lounges. Worryingly, they still pernmit this disgusting and dangerous habit to all souls on board, by allowing passengers to smoke in their cabins.

[Madkitty]

hahahaha I knew Id open a can of worms but was only aware of the policy with Royal Caribbean

[tom_uk]

As far as the England is concerned, "The Smoke-free (Exemptions and Vehicles) Regulations 2007" specifically excludes most ships from the coverage of the Health Act 2006 (Section 11 paragraph 6 of the regs). The definition of ship excluded from the act is:

 

'ships or hovercraft in respect of which regulations could be made under section 85 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995[6] (safety and health on ships), including that section as applied by any Order in Council under section 1(1)(h) of the Hovercraft Act 1968[7] or to persons on any such ships or hovercraft.'

 

So there is no requirement on P&O under English law to make their ships smoke-free.

[Pontius Navigator]

I just read the earlier thread on smoking policy too. While some non-smokers seem sympathetic to smoking and non-smoking areas I am afraid I am far less tolerant.

 

I used to work in a smokey environment and my parents were both heavy smokers. however as the incidence of smoking has reduced so my sensitivity to smoke has increased.

 

From my perspective a smoking bar excludes me from enjoying part of the ship for which I have paid. If I was put in a cabin where smoking had taken place then I simply could not use that cabin.

 

My wife used to smoke but is now unable to tolerate the faintest trace of smoke. Where an area, such as the casino, is both smoking and a passage way then movement fore and aft on that deck becomes a no-no.

 

On Celebrity they designate Port as smoking and Starboard as non-smoking. Cabins are non-smoking. We actually had one couple moved

from the non-smoking part of an out door bar. There were seats in the smoking area but their smoking in the wrong area excluded us from the whole bar.

 

Both lines are flagged in Bermuda.

[tom_uk]

On Celebrity they designate Port as smoking and Starboard as non-smoking. Cabins are non-smoking.

 

Actually, Celebrity permit cigarette smoking in cabins. See this page:

 

http://www.celebritycruises.com/beforeyourcruise/faq/home.do;jsessionid=0000HL2swvuqLQXJcx_6-Gr7k8s:12hdbcveb;jsessionid=0000lhy5Q_eFEZt_CWijzJzhorg:12hdebcnj?faqSubjectName=Ship+and+Stateroom+Details&faqId=572&pagename=faq_answers

[cruisebore]

 

From my perspective a smoking bar excludes me from enjoying part of the ship for which I have paid.

 

From a smokers perspective a non smoking bar excludes him/her from enjoying

a part of the ship for which he/she has paid.

 

How do you resolve this one, both have legitimate argument's :confused:

 

Regards

Cb

[Pontius Navigator]

From a smokers perspective a non smoking bar excludes him/her from enjoying a part of the ship for which he/she has paid.

 

Enjoying smoking in a part of the ship . . . paid. They can enjoy the theatre or dining room without smoking, why is it that smoking has to be in a bar unless of course there was a similar cosy snug with no smoking.

 

Then of course there is the wide-screen telly on maxi volume too :(

 

At least that was one deficiency that I was please to find on Celebrity :)

 

The problem of course is pigeon-holing all passengers into particular holes for instance dress, as discussed on a different cruise.

 

Different ships for smoking-casual, smoking-formal, non-smoking-casual, non-smoking-formal then add the kids/no kids permutation, then have a cruise for only old people.

 

Oh they do?

 

Mmm Saga :p

[Gilliano]

Where an area, such as the casino, is both smoking and a passage way then movement fore and aft on that deck becomes a no-no.

 

We went on Arcadia in July and I loathe the slightest smell of smoke. Although, unfortunately, they allow it in all cabins, it has been greatly reduced in the bars and lounges. You cannot now smoke in the casino. In fact there are just a couple of bars where there is a partition for smokers. The rest of the ship, except on parts of the deck is free of smoke. Also one of the pools is completely smoke free. Wonderful.

[Pontius Navigator]

I loathe the slightest smell of smoke. Although, unfortunately, they allow it in all cabins.

 

Was it very obvious?

[mufi]

So there is no requirement on P&O under English law to make their ships smoke-free.

 

But this would only apply anyway when the ship was in English waters and passing to or from an English port. In international waters there would be no regulation.

 

David.

[Pontius Navigator]

But this would only apply anyway when the ship was in English waters and passing to or from an English port. In international waters there would be no regulation.

 

David.

 

I found this:

 

http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/closed/smokingonvessels/smoking?page=1

 

It seems that it may not be illegal to smoke in English waters but it may be in Scottish waters.

 

In the US there appear to be individual state bans:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_United_States

 

Note that Florida, and California especially, have bans. If legislation is extended, as UK is proposing, to ships in territorial waters it will soon be easier for companies to have a permanent ban - at least below decks.

 

It appears that Bermuda plans to ban smoking in public places although cruise ships are not mentioned.

 

http://plp.bm/about/accomplishments

 

The anti-smoking lobby is winning.

[cruisebore]

 

 

The anti-smoking lobby is winning.

 

I think it disgraceful to consider this issue as a matter of winners and losers.

It just shows an insensitive approach to what is a real problem. It smacks of triumphalism.

Push the smoker any further into a corner and do not be surprised it they fight back.

 

Regards

 

Cb

[Elaine0138]

Although I am a non smoker I have never had a problem with our cabins on various lines smelling of smoke, hope this is the case on our P&O cruise we just wouldn't be able to stay in it if it did.

[Pontius Navigator]

I think it disgraceful to consider this issue as a matter of winners and losers.

 

Leading, lagging, ahead, behind.

 

What would you suggest?

[flea b]

Hi

 

If my cabin smelled really smokey on arrival, would it last long or does the air conditioning soon sort it out? We don't smoke and have nothing against smokers but hate the smell! We only have a little inside cabin too!

[daiB]

We must be lucky, or P&O are very efficient at getting rid of smoke, for we have not been inflicted by a smoky cabin in 9 cruises. I cannot say we have been bothered by smoke anywhere on a P&O ship except, before the ban, in the casino.

 

We have had problems onshore but never on board so for those trying cruising for the first time I do not think it is a big issue. Both My wife and I are ardent non smokers.

 

 

:):)Happy Cruising:):)

 

 

 

 

:cool:

 

Dai

[flea b]

Thanks for that Dai... it's reassuring to hear it should not be a problem!

 

Fiona

[Pontius Navigator]

daiB, I agree with you there although Arcadia was in her first year when we cruised on her and on a balance of probability there may not have been smokers in the cabin.

 

Also I think many people are now sensitive to others and smoke on the balcony rather than in bed.

 

OTOH in a hotel in Birmingham, in a non-smoking room, we could not understand the overbearing smell. Then we discovered that the flat roof outside the window was an ashtray Yuk.

[mufi]

Also I think many people are now sensitive to others and smoke on the balcony rather than in bed.

 

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But there have been fires caused on ships by passengers smoking on balconies.

 

David.

[peterv]

But there have been fires caused on ships by passengers smoking on balconies.

 

David.

 

Fires, really, how many, and when did they occur?

 

Or are you speaking about the one ship, Star Princess, where it was officially determined that it MAYBE PERHAPS COULD HAVE BEEN caused by a cigarette?

 

In other words, they don't know.

 

Cheers,

Peter

[daiB]

Thanks for that Dai... it's reassuring to hear it should not be a problem!

 

Fiona

 

 

I have just seen you next two cruises and you can go right off some people:mad::mad:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:D:D

 

 

 

:DHappy Cruising Pet

 

 

 

 

:cool:

 

Dai

[Pontius Navigator]

Fires, really, how many, and when did they occur?

 

Or are you speaking about the one ship, Star Princess, where it was officially determined that it MAYBE PERHAPS COULD HAVE BEEN caused by a cigarette?

 

In other words, they don't know.

 

Cheers,

Peter

 

If you do a Google search you will find a number of recent fires listed.

 

A balcony fire could arise from a lit cigarette blowing inboard.

 

My last cruise there was a definite smell of burning, like paper, in one of the lower corridors.

[LibraLass41]

We must be lucky, or P&O are very efficient at getting rid of smoke, for we have not been inflicted by a smoky cabin in 9 cruises. I cannot say we have been bothered by smoke anywhere on a P&O ship except, before the ban, in the casino.

 

We have had problems onshore but never on board so for those trying cruising for the first time I do not think it is a big issue. Both My wife and I are ardent non smokers.

 

 

:):)Happy Cruising:):)

Dai

 

 

 

 

I agree with Dai, have cruise 4 times since May06 and have never had a smokey cabin on Arcadia/Aurora

Sue

 

 

 

 

:cool:

[daiB]

I agree with Dai, have cruise 4 times since May06 and have never had a smokey cabin on Arcadia/Aurora

Sue

 

:cool:

 

 

 

Hi Sue,

See you soooon for our weekend away.:rolleyes:;)

 

 

:)Happy Cruising Pet:)

 

 

 

 

 

:cool:

 

Dai