Difference in Slot Machine Types / Payout?

[cruzincurt]

Riverdome, that was a good explanation. In reality, like the royal flush in video poker, the jackpot is probably 1 in 40,000. But then again, I've had two royal flushes over the years, so anything is possible.:)

[jetwet1]

That is correct. Here's a very simple example. Say the RNG is set to 100 possible number (1-100)

 

1-90 player looses

91-95 player wins amount of bet

96-97 player win 2X

98 player wins 5X

99 player wins 10X

100 player wins jackpot

 

So yes if the RNG could spit out 100 two pulls in a row, the odds are 1/100. Of course in reality the odds are much longer.

 

 

All that said I disagree with the theory that it's nearly impossible to change the odds from one night to another. At worse it would require using a switch (or actually pulling) to change a PROM chip. Not a difficult procedure for anyone with ANY experience working with electronics. Not saying anyone is doing this, but w/o regulation on the high seas they could be.

 

As I said, it is easy to do, there is no pulling a chip, there is a menu that you scroll through to change the payout tables.

 

However, for those machines that have the table listed above the screen it would mean changing that.

 

Also, just to be clear, a casino would not offer a higher payout on the first night, that carries risks, casinos do not work on risks, they work on known percentages.

 

If x number of dollars goes through a machine we will get y back as our "win", the same applies to table games. over the short term though table games can really give you grey hairs, trust me on that, I will soon be the silver fox lol

[cruzincurt]

However, for those machines that have the table listed above the screen it would mean changing that.

 

 

The pay table doesn't change, the percentage hit table inside the machine can be changed. Two cherries is always the same payout 2, 5 whatever; it just won't hit as often if they lower the machine's payout percentage.

[jetwet1]

The pay table doesn't change, the percentage hit table inside the machine can be changed. Two cherries is always the same payout 2, 5 whatever; it just won't hit as often if they lower the machine's payout percentage.

 

 

Are you saying that the RNG is changed in some way ?

 

I really didn't want to do a long post, but here you go.

 

The EPROM on a modern machine is sent to us with a number of pay tables built in, after we have the machine installed we select which pay table we would like to use. As all the pay tables have been certified we can change the percentage hold at any time by going into the set up menu and selecting which percentage we would like. We then have to fax over a notice to gaming that we have changed the pay table, once we get the thumbs up we can turn the machine back on.

 

In the good old days, to change the payout we would actually have to change out the EPROM and get the ok from gaming, the modern way is far better.

 

Of course cruise lines don't really have to abide by the strict gaming laws that land based (non Indian) casinos have to go by

 

BTW the pay table I am referring to would be the illuminated one that can be found on some older machines, like Blazing 7's, on the new multi line machines that pay table is normally found in a menu on the screen, so it's a heck of a lot easier to change the paybacks.

[cruzincurt]

No, I was responding to the comment that to change the payback, they had to change the printed credits listed on the glass. They don't change the value of a particular win, ie., how many credits for three cherries, that stays the same, what is changed in the EPROM, or as you claim, a particular selection of payback tables stored in the EPROM, is how often that win occurs based on the selected payback table vs the RNG value. On old machines with printed glass tables, they don't change the payback, they change the payback frequency.

 

Probably the most obvious "on screen change in payback tables" occurs with video poker machines. The casino can easily change the payback for a full house from the 9 to 8, 7, 6 or worse.

[jetwet1]

Ok, so neither of us are being particularly clear :D

[jsmeeker]

Are you saying that the RNG is changed in some way ?

 

I really didn't want to do a long post, but here you go.

 

The EPROM on a modern machine is sent to us with a number of pay tables built in, after we have the machine installed we select which pay table we would like to use. As all the pay tables have been certified we can change the percentage hold at any time by going into the set up menu and selecting which percentage we would like. We then have to fax over a notice to gaming that we have changed the pay table, once we get the thumbs up we can turn the machine back on.

 

In the good old days, to change the payout we would actually have to change out the EPROM and get the ok from gaming, the modern way is far better.

 

Of course cruise lines don't really have to abide by the strict gaming laws that land based (non Indian) casinos have to go by

 

BTW the pay table I am referring to would be the illuminated one that can be found on some older machines, like Blazing 7's, on the new multi line machines that pay table is normally found in a menu on the screen, so it's a heck of a lot easier to change the paybacks.

 

I was under the impression that the most modern slots were "server based" and could be re-programmed remotely. Even to the point of making it a totally different game. I've certainly seen slots at Aria that can be changed to totally different games by the player.

 

 

Me? I just look at the machine and see how much a max credit spin is gonna cost me. then if I want to play, I stick on some Jackons or a Benjamin, then hit MAX BET and let the machine figure it all out. FUN! :)

[stingau]

I don't know if Aussie machines are different, I wouldn't think so as most are built in the USA anyway.

 

Here the Gov regulates a payout of 67% in any given 24hr period. This percentage can be reset by simply plugging in a laptop and resetting the software. Much like a BIOS upgrade in a PC.

 

To win if this is the situation is to watch machines that do not pay out. I win fairly regularly at my local club by watching people sit and put in 50 dollars or so and get very little payout, wait for them to walk away go put in $5 and usually get a profit anywhere from $10 to $1000.

 

This is easy to do as my local club is a small one with only 12 machines. if your happy to sit at the bar and watch also get on good with the staff who may tip you off as to what machine hasnt paid out any major prizes for a few days.

 

So on sea days if your bored go find a seat where you can spend a few hours watching say 10 machines ... wait... watch... and pounce. take the profit and go watch some more.

 

So if you see an aussie lurking and watching come up and say hello to me....lol

[cruzincurt]

I don't know if Aussie machines are different, I wouldn't think so as most are built in the USA anyway.

 

Here the Gov regulates a payout of 67% in any given 24hr period. This percentage can be reset by simply plugging in a laptop and resetting the software. Much like a BIOS upgrade in a PC.

 

To win if this is the situation is to watch machines that do not pay out. I win fairly regularly at my local club by watching people sit and put in 50 dollars or so and get very little payout, wait for them to walk away go put in $5 and usually get a profit anywhere from $10 to $1000.

 

This is easy to do as my local club is a small one with only 12 machines. if your happy to sit at the bar and watch also get on good with the staff who may tip you off as to what machine hasnt paid out any major prizes for a few days.

 

So on sea days if your bored go find a seat where you can spend a few hours watching say 10 machines ... wait... watch... and pounce. take the profit and go watch some more.

 

So if you see an aussie lurking and watching come up and say hello to me....lol

 

There is a tiny electric eye that tells the machine that someone new has sat down?:rolleyes: My Dad thinks he can trick the machines by waiting a few minutes between playing so the machine thinks someone new just sat down.:eek::rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

If your machines are really set to 67% payout, I would just take my money and throw it down the sewer. In the low 80's is the worst I've ever heard of.

[rellersi]

Just to clarify this a bit, the RNG's have no idea what the payouts are, they simply generate a number, this corresponds with a place on the "reel" for it to stop.

 

The actual "lose or tight" part comes from the payout table. To really understand the payout percentage it's best to have a PAR sheet, but the chances of that happening are next to zero, unless you have insider knowledge. The other way of course is to do a bit of studying and learn the pay tables, good luck with that on the new "slot" machines, but on video poker it is pretty simple.

 

Don't want to sound like I know what I am talking about but my understanding is this:

When casinos advertise a payout % it is an average for a group of machines. so some may be higher and at least in Vegas they tend to put these near the end of the row.

Cruise ships regulate themselves thru CLIA or some such and there payouts( which do not change over the course of a cruise) tend to be more in line with Indian casinos, not as loose as in Vegas. NCL used to give away a magazine in their casino which among other things listed payout percentages in different casinos.

The payouts are higher if you pay max credits.

Video poker is a little different as it is based upon a 52 card deck and the random display of the cards has to be random based upon 52 possibilities where each card has to have the same chance of appearing. Where the odds are different here is in the payout. The best video poker machines are the ones where a full house pays 9 to one. I have never seen one of those on a cruise ship, usually it is 8 or 7 to 1