Why is Craps so good on Cruise Ships

I'm sure not all of you would agree with me on this statement. Since I live in New Jersey most of my play is in Atlantic City usually 1 day per week. Typically what happens is that I start at a casino with a good neutral bounce table and get in maybe 4 or 5 hands before the player population grows to 7, 8 or more players. I won't play with this many players at the table because it takes too much time for the dice to come back to me. In the 5 years I've been playing craps I've had hands of 40 throws or more 24 times. I've always expected the other players to send the dice right back to me but this has only happened twice. Once I start moving around from casino to casino the best I will get in is a few hands each at a few different casinos. So I never have the luxury of getting warmed up on a good table and being able to stay there for 10 or more hands.

On the cruise ships I'm playing on the same table for 7 or more straight days and usually within the first 2 days I've figured out exactly the right landing zone on the table for my throwing. Another thing that I usually do on the ships is practice my throwing on the table. I bring a pair of dice from home with me and will usually make 30 practice throws early in the morning around 7 AM or in the afternoon when the ship is in a port. When I get back to the ship say around 3 or 4 PM the casino is empty and I can practice then. Some ships have really good craps tables and I don't have to practice on them at all. The ones that require practice are the ships with the bouncy tables.

On the ships I have never seen any heat from any of the craps crew at all. Sure they will tell you to hit the wall with your throws if you miss habitually.

The final thing that I find beneficial is on most of the cruises that I've been on the craps players are not too numerous. Sure at certain times like when the early show in the theater gets out the table can get packed but these are amateurs who don't last too long before they lose their money. So I might leave the table for 30 minutes and then I can go back when there are only a few players left.

For my last 3 cruises here is what I found at the craps tables:

Explorer of the Seas - There were only 3 regular players the whole week.

Enchantment of the Seas - There were 4 regular players the whole time.

Carnival Miracle - I was the only regular player with one other guy about half the time.

On the Explorer I was able to get in 89 hands at the craps table in the 7 days I was playing.

That's why I find playing craps on the ships to be enjoyable plus in the 17 cruises I've been on since learning to play craps in 2007, I've made money on 16 of them and broke even on 1.

Dicenator

Dicenator,

Sounds like you are a dice setter. If so, what numbers do you use for hitting the inside numbers? I've been using 6/5 and 5/4 with some success at casinos and on ships. I agree with you on cruises the craps players are mostly newbies or have small bankrolls and leave the table early. What is your typical session money for cruises? I will be on the Allure this May.

Thanks.

Norwich

Dice... I have had mixed experiences on my 20 cruises. Some cruises the table is packed all the time, sometimes I have to beg them to open it. On probably 6 cruises I remember getting to know the "regulars" by name but like you said, most of the time newbies flow in and out all night...

And like you I have also wondered why people don't just pass the dice around back to the hot shooter. I have tried to initiate that twice and no one would do it. I have never seen a table do that (at least not one with more than 2 or 3 people on it), even in Vegas. Have you?

norwich,

I use the hard way dice set with the 3's on top and the 5's facing me. My main intent is to avoid 7s. Instead of the statistical 1 in 6 I've reduced my 7s to 1 in 11. My extra throws per hand are distributed with a +1.5% on the 6 and 8, + 1% on the 5 and 9 and +.5% on the 4 and 10. All of these numbers are rounded.

On a cruise ship I usually have $200 per day for gambling. For each day that I'm up starting on day #1 I therefore have more per day to risk.

Dicenator

sailor jimc

My last cruise on the Explorer of the Seas a few weeks ago I had a 42 throw hand on the last night of the cruise and there were 5 other players there at the time. Now every single one of them made at a minimum at least $200 with one guy making over $1000. 90% of my throw were box numbers and I made 5 points. I was really expecting all of them to pass the dice right back to me but nope. No one said a word and they all took their turn throwing the dice. I was disgusted at this and the fact that not a single one of them toked the crew except for me.

I was on a Carnival ship, Victory, about 2 years ago. One afternoon I was at the table with only 2 other players. One was a rookie and the other one was the type who rarely threw the dice. Well I had a 40 throw hand and they both passed me the dice. I followed that hand with a 34 throw hand and they passed me the dice a second time. The magic was now gone and I had a 6 throw hand. We all colored in and all 3 of us were up somewhere around $350 to $400.

Dicenator

sailor jimc

 

My last cruise on the Explorer of the Seas a few weeks ago I had a 42 throw hand on the last night of the cruise and there were 5 other players there at the time. Now every single one of them made at a minimum at least $200 with one guy making over $1000. 90% of my throw were box numbers and I made 5 points. I was really expecting all of them to pass the dice right back to me but nope. No one said a word and they all took their turn throwing the dice. I was disgusted at this and the fact that not a single one of them toked the crew except for me.

 

I was on a Carnival ship, Victory, about 2 years ago. One afternoon I was at the table with only 2 other players. One was a rookie and the other one was the type who rarely threw the dice. Well I had a 40 throw hand and they both passed me the dice. I followed that hand with a 34 throw hand and they passed me the dice a second time. The magic was now gone and I had a 6 throw hand. We all colored in and all 3 of us were up somewhere around $350 to $400.

 

Dicenator

I had a chance to hit some decent numbers with the guy down from me betting big and hitting huge. He actaully threw me two black chips during my run.

cruiseguy 456,

Only one time has another player ever given me a reward for winning him big money and that was only a green chip. I think I hit a hard 8 with him having a $25 bet on it.

In the 5 years I've been playing craps I've had 24 hands of 40 or more throws but I also keep track of how many hands are 25 or more throws and that count is right now up to 220. So you can imagine how much money some players have made off of my throwing. I've seen players make thousands when I've had a great hand. Not only won't they give me a nickel they won't even toke the crew which is what I find really disgusting. A month ago my wife and myself won the All tall All small bet at Resorts in Atlantic City. Between both of us we won around $1400 to $1500. The crew got tipped somewhere close to $200 from both of us combined.

Dicenator

Dicenator,

Thanks Dicenator for your dice info. I'll try using your setting during practice and then the casinos. Since you are capable of long rolls shouldn't you be wagering more for more winnings?

Norwich

I have had someone give me a "reward" for a good throw. But it doesn't happen often. I can see their point, they were risking the money and if it had lost they would not have expected me to give them money I guess, but it is nice.

I had also given money to someone on a hot roll. I was on the Conquest and some girl who had just announced she just got engaged grabbed the dice and started a long roll. She must have hit 4 or 5 fours in a row with me having a $75 come bet set up on it. After the third one I noticed she was not playing odds, so from there on out I would put money down for her odds, she didn't complain. I think she made me $500 or $600 dollars and I probably got her an extra $60 to 70 on her odds...

And I always tip the crew.

There is a guy out in Las Vegas who is a legend out there for his gambling at a crap table. He came up one night while I was shooting and put 10 grand on the pass line and 100 grand behind it. He won 1.8 million and quit. I won't tell you how much of a tip he gave me. He also gave the same to the dealers. At the old Horseshoe downtown. A crap players paradise. Or should that be pair-a-dice?

Pretty funny that people actually believe in something like dice control. Lots of internet sites supporting it which isn't surprising. Here's one that lends some common sense to a theory that's pretty much impossible:rolleyes:

http://brokopp.casinocitytimes.com/article/dice-control-fact-or-fiction-502

But of course you won't change the opinion of the believers. I've seen LOTS of people win 1500.00 who weren't delusional enough to claim dice control as the reason :rolleyes:

Pretty funny that people actually believe in something like dice control. Lots of internet sites supporting it which isn't surprising. Here's one that lends some common sense to a theory that's pretty much impossible:rolleyes:

 

http://brokopp.casinocitytimes.com/article/dice-control-fact-or-fiction-502

 

But of course you won't change the opinion of the believers. I've seen LOTS of people win 1500.00 who weren't delusional enough to claim dice control as the reason :rolleyes:

Amen....But do NOT tell this to dicenator...His track record is 16-0-1 on his last seventeen cruises.:confused:

bouhunter,

Thank you for your opinion. I don't try to push dice control on anyone on this message board. I don't recall in any posting that I've made that I've ever tried to convince anybody that it works. For me I feel that it works and I have every throw that I've made in a casino for the last 5 years recorded. The total count is over 30,000 throws so far, which is more than enough to prove statistical evidence that I throw a 7 far fewer than 1 in 6 which is the statistical norm.

Now I looked at the website that you posted in your message and he is talking about throws that are bouncing up into the pyramids. If you look below the pyramids you will see an angled part of the rubber maybe 3/4" high which doesn't have pyramids on them. What would your opinion be if dice throws were hitting this lower band consistently and not touching the pyramids. Don't you thing that this would have less randomizing effect of the outcome of the throw.

Are you aware of regression betting. With regression betting all you have to do is make 2 paying box number hits during your hand to make a profit. Since the average hand at craps is 8.25 throws. You discount the come out throw and the 7 out throw and this leaves you with 6.25 throws. If you bet the inside numbers 5,6,8,9 you are covered on 50% of the possible outcomes. 50% of 6.25 throws is 3 paying hits for an average hand.

Dicenator

LSTEFFA,

Now I'm wondering what your motivation could be for posting a message like you just did in such a mocking tone. I can think of a lot of reasons for example: you might be someone who loses constantly at craps and is too stubborn or stupid to recognize that they way you play is destined to be a loser and are therefore jealous of someone who can win at the game.

You might be someone who has tried dice influencing and either didn't have the physical coordination or the mental will power to stick with it long enough to make it work for you.

You might be someone who doesn't know when to quit when you are at a craps table and loses their whole bankroll every time because you have no discipline.

My final thoughts are that you are just one of those negative people who doesn't know how to say anything positive about anything. The glass is always half empty instead of half full.

If you don't like what I put out in my postings then just stop reading them and get a life.

Dicenator

LSTEFFA,

 

Now I'm wondering what your motivation could be for posting a message like you just did in such a mocking tone. I can think of a lot of reasons for example: you might be someone who loses constantly at craps and is too stubborn or stupid to recognize that they way you play is destined to be a loser and are therefore jealous of someone who can win at the game.

 

You might be someone who has tried dice influencing and either didn't have the physical coordination or the mental will power to stick with it long enough to make it work for you.

 

You might be someone who doesn't know when to quit when you are at a craps table and loses their whole bankroll every time because you have no discipline.

 

My final thoughts are that you are just one of those negative people who doesn't know how to say anything positive about anything. The glass is always half empty instead of half full.

 

If you don't like what I put out in my postings then just stop reading them and get a life.

 

Dicenator

Dicenator,

Put to practice your 3/5, 3/5 setting at a casino in WV last weekend. I was down about $110 when I got the dice. I made three points and hit several inside place bets. Left $100 on the table when I crapped out and lost another $60 on the next shooter before cashing out. I only won $50. due to poor money management on my part.

Thanks.

Norwich

:)

Dice..I have been following your posts for a while and up til now have been able to resist telling you that YOU need to get a life.

5 years 30000 throws all recorded. WOW!

If you really believe you have the least bit of control on the dice,you are delusional. If you are a net winner over those 5 years(which is highly unlikely), you can chalk it up to being very lucky,nothing more.

And,I therefore wish you continued luck.

sailor jimc

 

My last cruise on the Explorer of the Seas a few weeks ago I had a 42 throw hand on the last night of the cruise and there were 5 other players there at the time. Now every single one of them made at a minimum at least $200 with one guy making over $1000. 90% of my throw were box numbers and I made 5 points. I was really expecting all of them to pass the dice right back to me but nope. No one said a word and they all took their turn throwing the dice. I was disgusted at this and the fact that not a single one of them toked the crew except for me.

 

I was on a Carnival ship, Victory, about 2 years ago. One afternoon I was at the table with only 2 other players. One was a rookie and the other one was the type who rarely threw the dice. Well I had a 40 throw hand and they both passed me the dice. I followed that hand with a 34 throw hand and they passed me the dice a second time. The magic was now gone and I had a 6 throw hand. We all colored in and all 3 of us were up somewhere around $350 to $400.

 

Dicenator

Let me get this straight...you threw a 40 throw hand & a 34 throw hand & colored up with a BIG $350-400???? Wow....you might have made $1K if

the hands lasted another hour or so....

LSTEFFA,

 

Now I'm wondering what your motivation could be for posting a message like you just did in such a mocking tone. I can think of a lot of reasons for example: you might be someone who loses constantly at craps and is too stubborn or stupid to recognize that they way you play is destined to be a loser and are therefore jealous of someone who can win at the game.

 

You might be someone who has tried dice influencing and either didn't have the physical coordination or the mental will power to stick with it long enough to make it work for you.

 

You might be someone who doesn't know when to quit when you are at a craps table and loses their whole bankroll every time because you have no discipline.

 

My final thoughts are that you are just one of those negative people who doesn't know how to say anything positive about anything. The glass is always half empty instead of half full.

 

If you don't like what I put out in my postings then just stop reading them and get a life.

 

Dicenator

Chill out dude....I think you have sniffing too many micofibers from those bouncy crap tables in your 30,000 roll career.

This thread sounds like a lot of crap doesn't it? Everyone relax.

I have to say that you guys are right. There is no special skill that I have with throwing dice. Any time I've won money at craps it has mostly been luck or benefitting from other peoples throwing. Anything I've written about my dice throwing has been fictional. In the future if I issue any trip reports there will be no mention about craps.

Sorry for subjecting you to my works of fiction.

Dicenator

I have to say that you guys are right. <SNIP>. In the future if I issue any trip reports there will be no mention about craps.

 

Sorry for subjecting you to my works of fiction.

I've enjoyed your trip reports, and the chronicles of your crap sessions.

Don't take what one or two people say so personally, I bet I am not alone in my enjoyment.

Kevin C

I too also agree with Kevin.

I rather play craps with someone, like you, who might have better odds in setting/controlling the dice, than a random thrower. But, that's JMO.

I watched this interesting video on YouTube, which was on tv, about dice control. I was convinced :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhno_F9vZcw

I enjoy reading your posts, please continue to do so.

I agree with the previous 2 posters. If people don't want to read what they consider fantasy, they don't have to read the thread, but to be rude about it is completely uncalled for

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO fellow posters: I agree with the prior three posters. You could believe in dice control or not. The people who have been successful with it have been documented. You could believe it or not. Dicenator, keep posting reports of how you do in the casino. Don't let a few folks that are losers ruin it for you.

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOO fellow posters: I agree with the prior three posters. You could believe in dice control or not. The people who have been successful with it have been documented. You could believe it or not. Dicenator, keep posting reports of how you do in the casino. Don't let a few folks that are losers ruin it for you.

Unlike dicenator comments (stupid, loser etc), I have not made personal attacks.

I question his track record of during a 30,000 roll documented dice history of rolling a seven (7) one in eleven times versus the true odds of one in six...totally absurb.

I question how someone can throw two hands totalling more than 70 rolls and win a total of $450.