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Everyone should read the Great Barrington Declaration. The declaration is worth a read. Gives great scientific insight as to the state of COVID lockdowns and repercussions by Harvard, Stanford and Oxford in addition to 25,000 medical professionals and scientists. Hopefully, we can get back our traveling lives! https://gbdeclaration.org/

Everyone should read the Great Barrington Declaration. The entire declaration is worth a read. Gives great scientific insight as to the state of COVID lockdowns and repercussions by Harvard, Stanford and Oxford in addition to 25,000 medical professionals and scientists. Hopefully, we can get back our traveling lives! https://gbdeclaration.org/

This may not be relevant to O but I ran into my neighbor out walking yesterday. He is a high level exec for DCL. He said they are starting up full force Dec 1. I questioned him a bit and he said they have been executing the Dec start plan for awhile and will be ready to go. Maybe there is hope!

These vaccines are RNA vaccines. There is no live component in the vaccine!! The risk of being exposed to COVID by getting the vaccine is zero. It is so important that people understand this. The antibody response in nearly 100% of the volunteers is strong enough to prevent COVID. Over 100,000 people have participated in the three US trials with overwhelming positive results. It is so frustrating when people falsely state that there is a risk of exposure to COVID from the vaccine. Science has long evolved beyond live virus vaccines. Also, most vaccines are better than 95% effective. Look at Shingrex, small pox, diphtheria....... We have eradicated many deadly diseases over the years with effective vaccines. People who compare flu vaccine statistics to the COVID vaccine are just uninformed. COVID has a few strains, easily covered with a single vaccine. The flu has thousands of variations. Vaccine development for the flu is always a crap shoot.

Yes, upon approval by the FDA, all participants that received the placebo had to agree to immediately receive the vaccine. This way there is no risk of participants seeking out vaccines from other companies and continuing with the study as we are followed for two years.

Also, between the US and the UK about 150,000 people have participated in COVID vaccine trials. Exactly zero people have died. Exactly zero people have had long term side effects. A handful, less than 5 people, have required hospitalization, most when in phase 1 trials when the dosages were being calculated and high dosages were administered. Zero out of 150,000 plus people have died or had significant side effects from the vaccine. In that same period of time, over 100,000 people have died from COVID with another several hundred thousand being hospitalized. Which is causing more harm, releasing the vaccine or holding it for further study.

This is absolutely false information. I am in the Pfizer study in Orlando. Our vaccine study phase 3 with 45,600 people, is well documented as is Moderna, phase 3, plus J&J, just completed phase 2, all near 100% effective at producing antibodies well above what is required to ward off COVID. It produces viral loads similar to Shingrex or small pox, nothing like the flu which is comparing apples to broccoli. Covid is a stable virus with a small number of variants of similar structure, all can easily be covered by a vaccine. The flu has thousands of strains. I received the vaccine and the booster. I have had my antibodies tested several times and will again this week. I believe I had the vaccine as several hours after the injection and the booster, I began to develop “tetanus shot arm.” Very sore for a few days. I also felt under the weather the next day. Half of our group had the same symptoms, the other half had no symptoms. We were told and it was stated in our informed consent forms that the placebo is simple saline and nothing would be added to mimic side effects of the vaccine. Honestly, I have been vilified for participating in this study and reporting the positive results. I don’t care if anyone is unhappy with my first hand, in the study, experience and the excellent results that have been published. There are some people who just love the drama and negativity of all that is COVID. I do, however, take exception to the spread of completely false statistics.

Thanks so much cruise wonderland.

Wow, the algorithm here struck my reference to the drug viag***. If feel like a child who tried to say a dirty word!

Wow, that’s some serious research. I must be the only person here who has a full time job. FYI, our placebo is “simple saline” NaCl 0.9%. Volunteers were not given hypotonic saline which is a much more concentrated saline solution. We did ask that question and were told that the placebo could not be altered from simple saline. Symptoms are fairly unmistakeable. It’s not like a muscle or tendon hurts from the injection and the substance. It is fine for the first 10 hours or so them progressively gets worse over the next few days. That‘s exactly what happens when a viral response is building. FYI, everytime we go in for a check up, we all poll each other. We are not supposed to but we all sit around in a room together for 45 min before we can be examined for reactions. We are all curious so it’s just human nature that we compare notes. Our trial is 50/50 vaccine/vaccine booster to placebo/placebo. Coincidentally, we have been nearly 50/50 for having our arms ache for a few days for both vaccine and booster. Many arm ache people also felt flu like symptoms and were very tired the next few days where non sore arm people had neither. It would be really coincidental if most everyone with sore arms happened to get the flu the next day. One guy who did not have a sore arm or flu symptoms was sure he had the vaccine because he said he had crazy dreams that night. Didn’t sound logical but I guess you never know. Once again, I am beyond amazed at the lengths that people will go to be negative and disprove any sort of good news on the vaccine front. It’s like they want to be miserable. I bet that everyone on this forum had a small pox vaccine, no questions asked. Who had Shingrex, hepatitis, diphtheria..... How did the COVID vaccine get such a bad wrap when it has the largest worldwide vaccine development effort in history behind it. Everyone on this forum loves cruising. We should all be COVID vaccine cheerleaders so we can get back to our traveling lives. The attempts to discredit the vaccine here are astounding, ie: can’t trust J&J, they had a baby powder issue, although, if you need a heart catheter, J&J would be your first choice. Or..... can’t trust Pfizer, they are funding their own research, yet I bet that person reaches for Advil several times per week, or maybe a Z pack when ill, or ooohhhlala ***** to spice up particularly boring COVID day. Lets all BE POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!

Excellent, thanks! If we can’t cruise, we can plan to cruise!

The placebo is saline. If you get the vaccine, several hours after getting the injection, your arm begins to ache similar to a tetanus shot and it lasts for a few days. We all asked the injector if they could put something in the placebo to mimic the sore arm viral response. We were told absolutely not as the release we signed was for either the vaccine or simple saline solution. I had “tetanus shot arm ache” for several days with both the initial injection and the booster. It’s fairly unmistakable.

How many cases are irrelevant. How may deaths per capita shows us the true measure of danger. My niece has COVID right now and she is bored to tears, can’t smell but otherwise feels fine. My step daughter had it in May, she cleaned her house from top to bottom during her quarantine. Neither was very sick. Florida’s death rate is dropping which is great for such an elderly population. It’s lower than New York, Illinois, California, Michigan..... most all other large population states and we are living pretty normally here.

And yes, I am in the Pfizer study. I’ve has the vaccine and the booster.

I’m certain MSC and TUI are both sailing as they have been reporting live, leaving passengers in port who don’t comply with rules etc. I’m not sure who else is sailing as I don’t sail any of those lines. I’m sure someone here know which ships are operating???? I think the Grandiosa and Magnifica. I have no idea what the TUI ships are named. I didn’t realize that I have prepare briefs for my posts. I retired from the courtroom several years ago.