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I wish there was some published objective data on this. Comparative data post-COVID for the various lines and ports. We, too, have done 4 O cruises, 40 nights. 4 10 night cruises. Missed one port completely, one private island completely, and changed a port. On Riviera 12/2021 in the W. Caribbean we only missed the private island in the Bahamas, the last stop. Due to waves. They sure looked high and powerful to me, preventing tendering. While passing Key West we had to make an emergency medical stop to transfer an obviously ill older passenger to a small CG patrol craft, but this just cost us some time, not a port. On Sirena 11/2022 in the E. Caribbean we missed St. Kitts because on the way down we had to make an emergency medical stop at Puerto Plata, DR to tender a passenger to the hospital. Took the crew a lot longer to accomplish this than they thought. Hours. On Riviera 10/30-11/9/2023 Trieste to Athens we did NOT miss a port. And while on the next leg of our B2B on Riviera 11/9-19/2023 Athens to Barcelona bad weather diverted us from Livorno to La Spezia. So a changed port, not a completely missed day.

And OVER on the ATW 2026 thread ongoing we get to READ this about Vista: "Just a heads up THERE ARE NO CLOCKS ON VISTA." "https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/2986918-atw-2026/page/2/#comments:~:text=Correction --,there are no clocks in the staterooms upon embarkation but you can ask your room steward/butler and they are happy to provide you one. The same for sewing kits%2C etc. ,-Quote The pay more get less part of Vista compared to Riviera.

Having been on Sirena (11/2022) and Riviera as well as on Riviera pre- (12/2021) and post-refit (10-11/2023), what does Vista truly have that Riviera lacks? One notes immediately how similar in size and floor plans they are. Riviera has the large therapy pool on the spa deck that Marina lacks. You can argue all day about Ember and Aquamar, but neither has any serious "wow factor". I've read many horror stories about Vista's main theatre's seating and stage. I just don't read the specifics as to why spend a lot more to be on Vista. If the itinerary is the same or similar, I'm going with Riviera and saving some $$$$. (Too bad we've got to be on Sirena in the Baltic in Aug-Sept 2024, for I would prefer Riviera. But we can live with Sirena for the ports and excursions and the price.)

Thank God for sales. Riviera 10/30-11/19/2023 Trieste to Athens (10 nights) and Athens to Barcelona (10 nights) off the ESS from early in 2023 was just $175 PP PN in a B3 and just $190 PP PN in an A3. I can't imagine sailing on O without a sale price.

Though I might've expected someone once to have stayed next to a couple on Vista who flew the pineapple on their door? (My wife alerted me to the potential meaning of that from her Reddit groups.)

Though I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from this thread, since most of the noise seems to be talking or TV or music. I don't think anyone above has ever complained about any couple gettin' jiggly next door. I mean, who doesn't hate it when someone else is obviously having a better time than you? I stubbornly keep wondering if this all just doesn't show...the aging of the O passenger. As they turn up their TVs and have the best in hearing-aid technology. One suspects the oldest and wealthiest are on Vista. 😉

Though not too long ago CC posters on O threads were personally attacking Tom Drake, a long-time comic who performs on O ships. And he's married to Dottie, a long-time O CD, who gets rather viciously attacked here, too. Of course, BOTH have their defenders, too. Even from the same voyages, you get two different subjective opinions. But then I forget how many PAGES of comments there were not too long ago most attacking O's cookies (the kind you eat). I mostly let the subjective comments fly right by, since what one person likes to eat or how they want something served is entirely different from another person's perception. You can read Southern Gary above. He and I were on the same cruise. His first on O, our 3rd-4th (a B2B). We don't share the same opinions in regard to various subjective factors, including both food and specialty restaurants. Not surprising, things are subjective. Take just the GDR. My wife and I have 40 nights on O ships since 12/2021and have yet to eat in the GDR and doubt we will on our upcoming 22 nights on Sirena. No desire at all. Zero, zip, nada. We just prefer the TC, eating under the stars and since we cruise for exciting & energetic excursions, sitting down to 1 1/2-2 hour evening meals isn't our thing most nights, though we do do the minimum number of specialty restaurants (1 per cruise). Nor does day drinking on the ship appeal to us. So could care less about drinks packages, esp. when I can bring on board whatever alcohol I do want to drink in my cabin. I wish there was a thread dedicated to OBJECTIVE issues. Like missed or shortened ports, lounge hogs, broken HVAC or plumbing issues (which we've all seen here), etc. Things most reasonable people can agree on as to "it" being an actual "issue" or not.

We had outstanding cruises on Riviera (12/2021), Sirena (11/2022) and Riviera (10-11/2023). Mostly fantastic food in all the venues. And great customer service all over the ship. Can't wait for our 22-nights on Sirena in the Baltic come late Aug!

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Track all future sales. There is a "40% off sale" right now but on just 30 cruises. You never know if or when "your" cruise may go on sale.

And that starts with sales and the impact of future sales. As well as how O handles what you end up booking. And that can differ from whether you've got one combined B2B up front or two separate bookings over time. Yes, as always, do the math. And keep doing it sale after sale until you cruise. Sales can make one quite flexible indeed.

The "why" you end up with a B2B may make the difference. On our recent Med B2B on Riviera in which we met, I booked the first part in 2/2022 when the itinerary opened up. Then ADDED the 2nd part in 4/2022 under a sale. (Of course, I rebooked them both under later sales.) As for our upcoming B2B in the Baltic on Sirena, I booked what eventually became the 2nd part first, when itineraries opened in 5/2022. Then when I ran across a sale in 10/022, I rebooked this. Along came summer 2023 (a sale when SM introduced) and I ADDED the new 1st part. So, in neither case did I start with a B2B, but ended up with one due to sales. Always had separate booking numbers for both parts each time.

Things are what they are. I knew about this BEFORE we first sailed with O. Did my research here and elsewhere. Knew O didn't list separate port charge fees. One combined fee (though "cruise only" for us). We've sailed 40 nights on Oceania since 12/2021. Missed 1 port each on our first two 10-night cruises (Riviera-W Caribbean and Sirena-E. Caribbean), one due to weather and the other due to passenger medical emergency. BUT we did NOT completely miss any ports on our recent 20-night B2B Riviera in the Med, though weather forced us to exchange Livorno for La Spezia. (That's a change, not a complete lost port.) So that's just one Caribbean island and one private beach resort island in the Bahamas over 40 nights. Not too bad. We've got 22 more nights on Sirena scheduled for the Baltic later this year. AND you can buy travel insurance if this is your biggest issue.

And yet the person who claims Marina is the ship for him, hasn't raised the highly specific claim that you have. As if a bathtub in a specific B or A cabin is making all the difference. IF they want a bathtub, they can get one on Riviera, too. The post in question doesn't even mention B or A cabins. You're reading a lot into someone else's specific issue.

Not sure what bee is in your bonnet, but there are bathtubs in some veranda cabins on Riviera, contra your statement: "but they were taken out of Riviera". So that still begs the question, WHAT does Marina have that Riviera doesn't (or the vice versa if that is somehow important)? As I've said, Riviera does have the larger therapy pool on the spa deck forward. Very nice.

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They were NOT all removed on Riviera.

What does Marina have that Riviera doesn't? (Or the vice versa if that matters.) Riviera has the large therapy pool on the spa deck, for example that Marina doesn't. And Marina will get her modest refit, as opposed to Riviera's full refit.

Check out some videos and other graphic depictions of the sites. We did both--Ephesus & the house in the hills--off Riviera in 11/2023. For Ephesus, we came from the top and walked down. Didn't see any scooters or walkers. No way you'd be able to get around inside the ruins. As someone said, if you come in from the bottom you could see the theatre and get to the Library of Celsus. Then it goes uphill. For the house, there is a wheelchair-accessible ramp that would get you up to the house, but it is tiny and crowded. Don't think a wheelchair can get inside. Takes all of 1 minute to see the house inside. This is tied to a strange 19th century claim. Color me completely unimpressed with the claim. (And only the Turkish government puts a police station next to such a site, on top of a "mountain" where tourists go. They don't like it if you take pictures of them or go near them or their compound.)

And the Concierge & Executive Lounges have newspapers. On Riviera 11/2023 a variety of American, Canadian and UK.

I'm just glad Allura and Vista cheerleaders are willing to pay so much more for their cruises than I have on my 30 nights on Riviera since 12/2021. I'll take Jacques and the large therapy pool and the similar deck plans at a significantly less expensive price. Not having been on Marina, but having been on Riviera pre-refit, I think Marina will be fine, too. Just no big therapy pool. We preferred the decor/aesthetic on Riviera pre- rather than post-refit. Not a fan of what I see as Scandinavian Minimalism.

Riviera has a dedicated pizza station at night at Waves. Tried it once on our 20-night B2B in November. It was fine. Better than the lunch pizza, but I don't cruise to consider mundane pizza anything special. We eat that most every Friday night like tens of millions of Americans.

It would be fascinating to compare how many are eating each night in the TC versus the GDR. We've spent 40 nights on O since 12/2021 (both Riviera for 30 and Sirena for 10) and have NEVER once eaten in the GDR. We prefer the TC. One might argue that often the TC is too full. Certainly the grilling station is! If you want to get a good seat in the TC, your perfect one, wherever that might be, you might get there at 6:20 pm. We love to eat under the stars!

Though that "flexibility" likely means (1) sharing a table or (2) eating later. Of course, having a PH or a Suite may help in this regard too, certainly versus those in G-B cabins. O never shares their "specialty dining reservation/availability algorithm". Having done a B2B on Riviera 10-11/2023 first in an A3 and then in a B3, we dined a lot earlier with tables for 2 from our A3. The B3, it was 8:30 or later. And my wife makes the reservations the very minute they open for our cabin level.