MaritimeR&R

I am 70 and I've had both Moderna doses. My arm hurt more and longer from the first one. The only aftereffect was that I felt very tired about 18 hours later.  My second dose made be feel a bit tired.  

With NY, NJ, CT and PA only hoping to BEGIN Phase 2 in late spring and summer, the likelihood of Cuomo and Murphy allowing test cruises to begin out of Bayonne is very poor.  Though a phase need not be complete before another is started, there are counties in each of these states that are projected to complete Phase 1 sometime in the Fall. With the lack of test cruises now operating and itineraries restricted to 7nights at  sea until the end of November.  I believe that the earliest we will see the Port Authority open up the three terminals (Bayonne, Brooklyn, and Manhattan) will be in 2022. 

14 hours ago, HBE4 said:

 

 

 

 

And wasting no time going off-topic, we are now arguing over the definition of "large"?   What next, arguing over the definition of "is"?   (that should fulfill the political aspect, also according to the aforementioned humor post). 😃

 

Is "is" what "was" was?🤣

17 hours ago, twangster said:

 

 

It means they don't know because our government (CDC) won't take the time to communicate with them.  They are as much in the dark as you and I are.  

The CDC did communicate with them.  Consider this: they did not like/can not afford the requirements put forth by the CDC where the responsibility for passengers should there be an outbreak and that is a major reason they are not moving forward.  Hence: we have the new contract from Royal that shifts the responsibility for those costs to EACH passenger.

1 minute ago, Charles4515 said:

 

I do think that Crystal and Saga, Saga also has two large ships could portend a vaccination requirement. Both those lines are niche cruise lines. Certainly mainstream cruise lines are thinking about it.  I personally would favor Royal Caribbean having a vaccination requirement. 

So would I.

8 minutes ago, Iplayslots said:

Why would you ask legal advice on a cruise message board.  Its like asking for financial advice on a bankruptcy website.

There are attorneys who are members of Cruise Critic and who will be signing the same contract should they choose to cruise. 

3 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

Forbes' headline says "large ship cruise line" while yours is "large cruise line"

 

Pardon my typo- missed the compound adjective. However, the article was here to clarify any mistake on my part.  

8 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

 

I don't count river boats as cruise ships. With two cruise ships and some river cruise boats they are not a large cruise line. They are a small cruise line.

Take it up with Forbes - it's their evaluation/headline.

7 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

Interesting but Crystal is not a mainstream cruise line. I don't think I would call Crystal large. They have two cruise ships.

I think it's more like 9 ships: Endeavor, Serenity, Symphony, Esprit, Debussy, Ravel, Bach, Mahler, and Mozart are shown. Whereas, I agree there are only two ocean going, the point is ALL of their fleet will require that ALL passengers be vaccinated.

3 minutes ago, A&L_Ont said:

Here for the comments.

 

I guess we will see who is ready to cruise and who is ready to take a break from cruising.

It will be interesting to see how soon the other major lines join in, especially if it becomes apparent that the 2021 season isn't going to start as envisioned.  I know in areas of NY and NJ, barring a miracle, the first phase of vaccination won't be complete until Oct/Nov. Winter sailings may be the the new (but probably silent) projection for cruises to resume from ports in the States other than Florida.

When luxury cruise line Crystal Cruises resumes operations on its river and ocean sailings later this year, all of its passengers will be required to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19 at least two weeks prior to setting sail.

The First Large-Ship Cruise Line Announces Vaccine Requirement (forbes.com)

I just want to clarify the rationale for my original post:

I had read that among the conditions the CDC placed on the cruise lines to resume sailing was the requirement that  all the costs of sequestering, transporting, etc. of passengers in the event of an outbreak fell to the cruise lines.

That cost would be monumental and is probably one of the major reason cruise lines haven't wanted to test the waters. Now, RC is stating in their contract to their consumers that they will not be responsible, but rather EACH customer is responsible for their own costs. They have essentially passed the buck, which I guess is to be expected.

My question was more of a musing that I wondered had a specific answer: since when we put down our deposits the possibility of having to incur significant extra charges was only related to each of us should we need medical or transportation such as having a heart attack and needing to be evacuated/ breaking the rules and being thrown off the ship /missing the ship, etc and NOT  if someone else on the ship infects passengers and causes the ship to institute the CDC procedures for containing and/or transporting all passengers to their homes, which is what appears to be the case in the new contract. 

I know just as there are doctors, teachers, dentists, etc there are also lawyers who actually went to school on this site. I was just asking for one of them to weigh in.  Thanks.

8 hours ago, Iamcruzin said:

 I have never come to cruise critic to complain about the cruise line enforcing something that was in the cruise contract like skipping ports or canceling the cruise to accommodate a charter.

Neither have I.  I understand those rights of the cruise line. I just wondered if ADDING requirements AFTER a person had put a deposit down negated the original purchase.

This is the link to the new contract -  it has language about this one superseding all others, much like is found in a will. There are other statements that I find bothersome.

U.S. Cruise Ticket Contract | Royal Caribbean Cruises-

1 minute ago, klfrodo said:

Are you asking for true legal advice for free?

Or, are you looking for a knuckleheads (like me) opinion?

I have friends that are lawyers, so I am not really looking for a "freebee." I just thought there might be someone on this board that had knowledge specific to contracts, esp. as they apply to cruises.

RCG has now published a new cruise contract. I am aware that under the old contract the Line has the right to change an itinerary, etc., but I don't believe it entitled them to forgo any and all financial responsibility for Covid related illness/deaths,  or entitles them to require that passengers adhere to new protocols that were not in place at the time of the initial booking, etc.  

Are people who previously booked NRD cruises entitled by law to request their full deposit back (and not have to wait for RCG to cancel) as RCG has changed the terms of their contract to include exclusions that were not in place at the time of the "good faith" booking? 

14 minutes ago, twangster said:

 

 

I do like the 45 day final payment change and think that should apply across the board.  If anything it would prolong the amount of time I leave me small sum of deposit money with them.  

My comment regarding interest was a bit tongue in cheek. My main point is that the 45 days prior to sailing final payment date should be across the board.

Now that RCG has changed the final payment date for those cruises affected by the Canadian ban to 45 days prior to the sailing, I believe the same should apply to all sailings until such time as Royal has been given the go ahead to resume revenue cruises for their fleet.

Too many of us have thousands of dollars tied up in deposits and full payments for cruises that we have no indication of their sailing other than the intended start-up date of the Line. 

Personally, if anyone is going to earn interest off of my money. I would like it to be me. 

On 1/27/2021 at 7:39 PM, MaritimeR&R said:

Your right, John. It was official on March 11th. 

The timeline for this booking was bothering me, i was sure it had been booked prior to the pandemic so i went back and checked my reservation sheets. I was righr, i booked this in Nov. 2019 when it was first released. The march 13rh sheet was from a price drop.

I do the majority of my cruising from fall through winter and thoroughly enjoy escaping the Northeast winters.  I am a solo traveler and am among those who rarely get off the ship unless they need to make a purchase and look forward to the mass exodus when the ship visits a port. Double points offer little appeal as I have already reached Pinnacle and do not covet points for the sake of getting a free cruise or bragging rights in the SL or CL. What I do enjoy is the overall ambiance of the ship, the freedom from living by a schedule which I did prior to retiring over a decade ago and the opportunity to meet up with people who, like me, have a bit of wanderlust.  At this point, all of my cruises have been moved to 2022 save one--my annual cruise with my little granddaughter in August. Though I would hate to miss two years in a row, I am hoping that RC cancels my 7 ni. Bahamas out of Bayonne for this August, I am not looking forward to dealing with all of the restrictions and as I am already vaccinated, she will not be and that concerns me. 

Carnival has now added the following to its reservation page.  Currently, there is no vaccine requirement, but it does mention the possibility of having to make reservations for the pool, casino, etc. It will be interesting to see if Royal and Norwegian follow suit.

In all likelihood, you will have to wait for Royal to officially cancel before you can urilize lift and shift.

32 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

I feel sorry for the anti-vaxers. Their lives will never go back to normal. Wait and see.

As someone who has dealt with both the short and the long-term consequences of contracting a respiratory disease at age 12 that nearly killed me, I would advise anyone who can safely receive the vaccine to do so as soon as they are eligible.  The Pertussis vaccine was not routinely offered when I was a girl. Making sure you lined up for polio cubes was what everyone worried about.  

1 hour ago, John&LaLa said:

 

Umm, the Pandemic was already in play on March 14. Probably why you got a great rate.

Your right, John. It was official on March 11th. 

1 hour ago, Ourusualbeach said:

Those fees are waived for cruises booked before April 30, 2021 that sail before April 30, 2022

Exactly.  RC's response to my pm was a reference to the closing date of April 30,2022 and a "sorry for your disappointment."  My response was: " i would not call having to pay $2,500+ dollars more for a reservation that was in place prior to the emergence of the pandemic as a 'disappointment.'"