Solution to QM2 smoking arguments

[Boytjie]

And you know this--how?

 

I counted 'em!

 

In the general population statistics show that smokers are in the minority and I don't see why Cunard passengers would radically deviate from that.

 

Statistics show that in both the USA and UK about 21% of the population smoke.

[Andiamo]

I counted 'em!

 

In the general population statistics show that smokers are in the minority and I don't see why Cunard passengers would radically deviate from that.

 

 

Yes, but no minority should be discriminated against, and that should include those who continue to enjoy smoking. Not meant to be argumentive, but the word minority got me.

 

Have you any idea how many of the crew smoke? Believe me, it is a large number.

 

Maybe not the Commodore Lounge, but I see no valid reason why at least one lounge, with our without music, could not be dedicated to smokers. It is my understanding that in Churchill's cigar smokers (it is their venue) do not care for cigarette smoke. Go figure.

 

 

Jeanne

[Seachase20]

thanks for that capt, I am a non smoker, but I all firmly belive that smokers have rights as well, I do think there should be placed for them to smoke, if there is a force 11 as on our last crossing then they cant go outside and while the rest of us are enjoying a drink and watching the waves the smokers are being driven insane, but I do know that as you say the world is going the way of stopping smoking.

 

British law says no smoking in public buildings and cunard follow this law, simple as that.surley that many smokers dont complain all the time to cunard as to get it banned that way.

 

again, please ALL lets not get a good chat get spoilt by arugments, lets all chat

Not wishing to argue, as I agree that smokers have rights too (and I say again, I no longer smoke), but I don't THINK that UK law has anything to do with smoking on a ship, even a UK-flagged one, especially once outside the territorial waters. I think this is for the company to decide. It would be so much more peaceful, and I believe, fair, if smokers could have a bar/lounge designated for them. Why shouldn't they, surely we non-smokers can be adult enough to deal with that!!

[Berserker]

Not wishing to argue, as I agree that smokers have rights too (and I say again, I no longer smoke), but I don't THINK that UK law has anything to do with smoking on a ship, even a UK-flagged one, especially once outside the territorial waters. I think this is for the company to decide. It would be so much more peaceful, and I believe, fair, if smokers could have a bar/lounge designated for them. Why shouldn't they, surely we non-smokers can be adult enough to deal with that!!

 

See my posts above, ad nauseum.

[southwestie]

Not wishing to argue, as I agree that smokers have rights too (and I say again, I no longer smoke), but I don't THINK that UK law has anything to do with smoking on a ship, even a UK-flagged one, especially once outside the territorial waters. I think this is for the company to decide. It would be so much more peaceful, and I believe, fair, if smokers could have a bar/lounge designated for them. Why shouldn't they, surely we non-smokers can be adult enough to deal with that!!

 

 

As i said, i fully agree they should have a bar, thats only fair in my book, I also put further down as did others that the law does not apply in other waters, so again I fully agree.

 

I also stated that it would be fair to share the commodore club half and half as it used to be

[Seachase20]

At least now we all know that it is Cunard who made this happen.

Perhaps Cunard are trying to please ALL their fare-paying passengers; those who smoke and are in the majority have the majority of the ship's public rooms as no-smoking venues. The smokers, in a minority, have, quite rightly in my view, some space indoors in which to smoke. I see nothing wrong with that and, as a non-smoker, can choose to avoid any smoking areas if I feel bothered by them. So can anyone else. If passing a smoky area briefly bothers anyone, perhaps they are being just a touch petty when it is easy enough to avoid that area? I think a higher proportion of the crew smoke, and I believe I'm right in saying that they are no longer allowed to smoke in their workplaces, out of consideration for their non-smoking colleagues. Fair enough.

[Seachase20]

As i said, i fully agree they should have a bar, thats only fair in my book, I also put further down as did others that the law does not apply in other waters, so again I fully agree.

 

I also stated that it would be fair to share the commodore club half and half as it used to be

 

Yes, and if only we could all be so fair-minded!!

PS, sorry I think I missed your post regarding the UK law and international waters.

[southwestie]

Yes, and if only we could all be so fair-minded!!

PS, sorry I think I missed your post regarding the UK law and international waters.

 

Seachase, dont worry and thank you for your kind comment, there is a lot of posts here, we can all learn from it, and yes we should be fair I agree.

 

How nice it is to se more newer members joining in and keeping the thread polite and interesting

[Working 2 Cruise]

I'm a former smoker - quit a long time ago - but have to agree that it's tough when the noisy non-smokers complain until they take over the whole ship. I don't think that's fair. What about complaining about perfume and aftershave? Sometime people use so much that it's impossible to breath near them. Just as bad in its way as smoking. I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to let smokers have a few places where they can enjoy a cigarette if they wish. Bullying tactics, I feel, and while I don't want to sit in a smokey room myself, I don't at all resent passing a smokey atmosphere occasionally. What is the big deal?! Shall we ban cars and trucks on the streets of any town you care to name because there are fumes that are bad for walkers? There has to be some compromise surely!

 

I feel the same way... Non-smokers are extremely irritating with their unreasonable demands. They already have most of the ships, now they want it all... What a group of selfish people! Also, what about obese people who put an enormous amount of food in their bodies... I guess these people are ok if they don't smoke. Everyone has a habit, be it drinking, eating, throwing garbage in the streets, etc. I guess all non-smokers think they are perfect! Guess what? They are NOT!

[Working 2 Cruise]

Perhaps Cunard are trying to please ALL their fare-paying passengers; those who smoke and are in the majority have the majority of the ship's public rooms as no-smoking venues. The smokers, in a minority, have, quite rightly in my view, some space indoors in which to smoke. I see nothing wrong with that and, as a non-smoker, can choose to avoid any smoking areas if I feel bothered by them. So can anyone else. If passing a smoky area briefly bothers anyone, perhaps they are being just a touch petty when it is easy enough to avoid that area? I think a higher proportion of the crew smoke, and I believe I'm right in saying that they are no longer allowed to smoke in their workplaces, out of consideration for their non-smoking colleagues. Fair enough.

 

Smokers are reasonable and know that smoke is not appreciated by many people and we try hard to accommodate non-smokers... I just feel that with so many places non-smoking on the ship, smokers should be allowed at least one nice venue in which they can smoke. All we want is fairness, not the sometimes ugly behavior of non-smokers... and they can get really ugly...

[Boytjie]

Yes, but no minority should be discriminated against, and that should include those who continue to enjoy smoking. Not meant to be argumentive, but the word minority got me.

 

Have you any idea how many of the crew smoke? Believe me, it is a large number.

 

Maybe not the Commodore Lounge, but I see no valid reason why at least one lounge, with our without music, could not be dedicated to smokers. It is my understanding that in Churchill's cigar smokers (it is their venue) do not care for cigarette smoke. Go figure.

 

 

Jeanne

 

I did not say that smokers should be discriminated against... I started by asking the question why smokers should get the best bar om the ship. ;)

 

And the reason I stated why they should not get the Commodore is because there are more non-smokers than smokers. Give cigar smokers and cigarette smokers their own venues, I don't really care.

[Boytjie]

I feel the same way... Non-smokers are extremely irritating with their unreasonable demands. They already have most of the ships, now they want it all... What a group of selfish people!

 

Aren't you painting with a very broad brush? I am a non-smoker and don't care if there are some venues set aside for smokers. I just don't think the best bar on the ship (or the casino - not part of this discussion but another big smoking area) should be a smoking zone.

 

Also, what about obese people who put an enormous amount of food in their bodies... I guess these people are ok if they don't smoke. Everyone has a habit, be it drinking, eating, throwing garbage in the streets, etc. I guess all non-smokers think they are perfect! Guess what? They are NOT!

 

I am not aware of any medical issues with secondhand overeating... ;) Oh, that's right, there is no such issue! If someone is obese it does not affect my health the way secondhand smoke can.

[londonguy.1980]

How nice it is to se more newer members joining in and keeping the thread polite and interesting

 

Hi Rob Matey

I'm a newer member.

I‘m confused what you think about smoking on ships. Can you explain please?

 

 

“I dont disagree with smoking”

 

“and really churchills should also stop”

 

“it would be fair to share the commodore club half and half as it used to be”

 

“I am happy they are no longer allowed in public rooms”

 

“the ship has not stopped smokers, just moved tem from the public rooms”

 

“I was never that stupid to put something in my mouth and set fire to it”

 

 

It would help me if you could explain. Thanks.

 

BTW I'm a non smoker.

[MrandMrsBeee]

Quote from ROB6852

 

British law says no smoking in public buildings and cunard follow this law, simple as that.

 

 

Yes that's maybe correct, but I wonder how it effects the crew, under British law the couldn't smoke anywhere on the ship as its there place of work?

 

Michael Mac.

 

As are all the bars, I am sure Cunard are rightly protecting the health of their staff as they have a duty of care.

[Summergee]

I am a non-smoker and I have no problems with smokers.

Last year, smoking was allowed in the Golden Lion on Queen Mary 2 so we just avoided the pub. There were plenty of other areas we could use.

Also, when I went for daily mile around the deck, I was not bothered by anyone's smoke on the deck.

Live and let live, I say.

[MrandMrsBeee]

I am a non-smoker and I have no problems with smokers.

Last year, smoking was allowed in the Golden Lion on Queen Mary 2 so we just avoided the pub. There were plenty of other areas we could use.

Also, when I went for daily mile around the deck, I was not bothered by anyone's smoke on the deck.

Live and let live, I say.

 

Unless you happen to work for Cunard, they can die from Lung Cancer ?

Or do you suggest they discriminate against employing non smokers?

[Valentino]

It's nice to see this being a reasonable thread and not go the way of other smoking threads that i've read about on these boards.

 

I think the OP's original post was not so much directed at the Commodore Club but merely a suggestion that perhaps it would be nice to have a club/pub/room where they could have a cigarette without bothering those that choose not to inhale. The idea is a good one, unfortunately the Churchill club is quite a small venue and I don't think it would have the capacity for those who wish to smoke and enjoy socialising.

 

As regards staff working on the ship in a smoky environment, I'm pretty sure that if Cunard were to employ someone that was vehemently anti-smoking or didn't smoke then they would employ them in the myriad of other places on board ship that are non-smoking. I'm sure there are enough smokers that work on the ship that would be OK with working in the smoking area - just as people did before the smoking ban was introduced in the UK and other areas.

 

Whatever the outcome, there are no rules set in stone yet but it's nice to "discuss" rather than lambast - a refreshing change from some of the other posts I've seen here and on other ships sites.

[southwestie]

Hi Rob Matey

I'm a newer member.

I‘m confused what you think about smoking on ships. Can you explain please?

 

 

 

It would help me if you could explain. Thanks.

 

BTW I'm a non smoker.

 

 

Dont ask me lol, Im far too confused lol

[southwestie]

It's nice to see this being a reasonable thread and not go the way of other smoking threads that i've read about on these boards.

 

I think the OP's original post was not so much directed at the Commodore Club but merely a suggestion that perhaps it would be nice to have a club/pub/room where they could have a cigarette without bothering those that choose not to inhale. The idea is a good one, unfortunately the Churchill club is quite a small venue and I don't think it would have the capacity for those who wish to smoke and enjoy socialising.

 

As regards staff working on the ship in a smoky environment, I'm pretty sure that if Cunard were to employ someone that was vehemently anti-smoking or didn't smoke then they would employ them in the myriad of other places on board ship that are non-smoking. I'm sure there are enough smokers that work on the ship that would be OK with working in the smoking area - just as people did before the smoking ban was introduced in the UK and other areas.

 

Whatever the outcome, there are no rules set in stone yet but it's nice to "discuss" rather than lambast - a refreshing change from some of the other posts I've seen here and on other ships sites.

 

 

 

It is a good thread, no one being nasty, what is good is that so many are new/newish members and what a good chat it is. and discuss and not lambast , yes it does make a change,

 

true, whatever the outcome, I have friends who smoke and friends who dont, and im sure we will all still enjoy cunard ships,smoke ban or not

[The Real PM]

I counted 'em!

 

In the general population statistics show that smokers are in the minority and I don't see why Cunard passengers would radically deviate from that.

 

Statistics show that in both the USA and UK about 21% of the population smoke.

Well, one certain deviation would be age. I believe the average age of Cunard's passengers would be quite a lot older than that of the general population. And I would think a great many of those passengers grew up in the days when smoking was a good thing. And that many continue to smoke. Don't you agree?

[hansol1966]

Should redesign the winter gardens into a new smoking bar with new ventilation and make good use of the area.

Im a non smoker and believe there should be areas onboard for smokers... my question is if not can we really expect passengers to not smoke at all for cruises that last for many sea days.

Smokers had there bolthole by the dartboard in the Golden Lion and were easily avoidable.

Fred.

[southwestie]

Should redesign the winter gardens into a new smoking bar with new ventilation and make good use of the area.

Im a non smoker and believe there should be areas onboard for smokers... my question is if not can we really expect passengers to not smoke at all for cruises that last for many sea days.

Smokers had there bolthole by the dartboard in the Golden Lion and were easily avoidable.

Fred.

 

 

Well done, yes the winter gardens would make a great smokers bar

[dasailors]

I counted 'em!

 

In the general population statistics show that smokers are in the minority and I don't see why Cunard passengers would radically deviate from that.

 

Statistics show that in both the USA and UK about 21% of the population smoke.

 

A very good point, smokers are in indeed the minority but given that fact that 21% of the population smoke that must also mean that 21% of QM2 passengers smoke, so using your stats more than 500 passengers smoke, and I would imagine these 500 or so passengers would like to have a bar in which they could chat and smoke

 

But Cunards "smoking problem" solution is to restrict these 500 or so smokers to a room (Churchills) that has seating for 14 people and a capacity of around 30 people........... Or they can stand outside.

 

Hardly seems right to me.

[hansol1966]

Reminds me of the smokingpods at Bangkok and Singapore airport when leaving the plane...all the smokers make a beeline for these including my three sons then when i try to find them you have trouble to see anybody in there.........confined spaces dont work.

Fred.

[MrandMrsBeee]

A very good point, smokers are in indeed the minority but given that fact that 21% of the population smoke that must also mean that 21% of QM2 passengers smoke, so using your stats more than 500 passengers smoke, and I would imagine these 500 or so passengers would like to have a bar in which they could chat and smoke

 

But Cunards "smoking problem" solution is to restrict these 500 or so smokers to a room (Churchills) that has seating for 14 people and a capacity of around 30 people........... Or they caionn stand outside.

 

Hardly seems right to me.

 

 

Do you really think that the 21% of the population who smoke are equally distributed throughout the whole population... I wonder what the percentage of holiday camp smokers are?

 

However many they would of course have to smoke outside as we in Britain have rules that protect the workforce from toxic chemicals.

 

Everyone is entitled to work without risk to their health, as I am to holiday without risk to mine.