Rutland Gate Posted July 23, 2010 #101 Share Posted July 23, 2010 After reading all the posts, here's my observation: Several HAL employees have posted and not one of them complained about the way they were treated. The only people complaining about the treatment of HAL employees are not and never have been employed by HAL. 'nuf said.... There appears to be a lot of interest expressed by Canadian Union Organizers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pms4104 Posted July 23, 2010 #102 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Some food for thought, relative to the OP ... I have a family member who, for over 25 years, did backbreaking physical work, day in and day out for the same employer. Needless to say, this labor took its toll physically, and the knees and back and joints show much wear. So, acknowledging that individual's loyalty and work ethic, the employer moved him to a position that is much less physically demanding. Does anyone here think that he refused the new position and said "Thanks, but I'd rather work myself to death in my old job"? That was 5 years ago, and the respositioning has been a blessing. And, oh yeah, he is not union and has no contract and his employer has a policy that they can terminate anyone, at any time, with no notice, and without giving reason. So, is it possible that in the situation mentioned in the OP, if indeed HAL is reassigning personnel to other duties, HAL is taking care of its longterm and loyal people ... by placing them in positions that are less physically demanding than what they had been doing? I still believe it was wrong for onboard staff to share what likely is mere conjecture or rumor with those whose shipboard presence supports his job and livelihood. He has a chain of command thru which to direct his concerns ... pax should not be made privy to his personal frustrations. Further, it was equally wrong for the OP to post such unsubstantiated information ... because HAL's personnel policies are none of our business and we do not know for a fact why HAL may be reassigning people to different roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hwy101A Posted July 23, 2010 #103 Share Posted July 23, 2010 actually if I was that old and had to listen to all the techno stuff and today's current passengers? I would have retired myself.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hwy101A Posted July 23, 2010 #104 Share Posted July 23, 2010 http://ckuik.com/Frank_Sinatra:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world~citizen Posted July 23, 2010 #105 Share Posted July 23, 2010 There appears to be a lot of interest expressed by Canadian Union Organizers. Shrewd observation that. :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world~citizen Posted July 23, 2010 #106 Share Posted July 23, 2010 He is also an expert witness in lawsuits against the cruise lines - a VERY profitable side job. I would suggest that it may be in his financial best interest to paint a dire picture.And reading his publications I would think if he were any more left leaning he would be toppling over.......;) He may be or he may not. I offered the post only as a primer. There is much more out there if you wish to get up-to date so to speak. Certainly if he is, and I have no way of knowing, the article is no less appropriate than commentary of cruise website editors or cruise job recruiting material. Fair and balanced is what we look for, right.;) Interesting, when working conditions of the least powerful members of the workforce comes up, someone always suggests left-wing/union or socialist rabble rousing (no reference to you by the way). I suppose we will never get away from that. Personally, I will always stand-up to be counted with those that try to improve the commonweal. The author of that article, who is an academic and commonly writes for refereed journals, is not I think is a rabble rouser. Of course, I have no knowledge of who he pals around with :eek::);) Smooth sailing to you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world~citizen Posted July 23, 2010 #107 Share Posted July 23, 2010 ... because HAL's personnelpolicies are none of our business ... People choose the companies they wish to patronage. Whatever criteria they use is up to them. If it comes to my attention that women or minorities are deadended as a matter of policy by a one company or another, I will take my business somewhere else. Can't do business along those lines. Smooth sailing to you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaDays Posted July 25, 2010 #108 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Claim doesn't make sense. Yes, corporate America has targeted older workers, but in the case of HAL, very little of the average waiter's or stateroom steward's salary comes from HAL's fixed salary structure. It's tips! Age would make no difference to HAL. If anything, older, more experienced, and service oriented staff would be bring in more gratuity revenue, whether it be shared or retained individually. Plus, the the superior service would only be a plus for HAL's reputation and long-term profitability. And it costs HAL to train new staff. So the claim doesn't add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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