marci22 Posted January 23, 2011 #151 Share Posted January 23, 2011 We have no desire to dump our children on the Granparents for a week. We treasure each and every moment that we can spend with them. Life is precious and short, and we will not be deterred by negativity as you and others have shown on these boards towards the "little darlings". Some people don't want to be with children 24/7. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruisin08 Posted January 23, 2011 #152 Share Posted January 23, 2011 does anyone know how many courses are served? Also, is the wine pairing a standard glass (5-6 oz) for each course served? We love food, and these types of dining experiences, so just want to make sure that it is worth $75 pp. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Greek Posted January 24, 2011 #153 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Some people don't want to be with children 24/7. Get over it. It doesn't bother me. We're going on vacation no matter what. I just feel sad for those that hate the sight of an entire demographic, and lead themselves to believe that if that demographic were somewhere else, it would be better for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisesOnMyMind Posted January 24, 2011 #154 Share Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) Some people don't want to be with children 24/7. Get over it. Love em but do not want to be with them 24/7,,,,,,Isn't that why grandparents say they spoil their grandchildren....they can enjoy them while they are there,,,,,,,,,,but enjoy the fact they are not there 24/7! Edited January 24, 2011 by CruisesOnMyMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marci22 Posted January 24, 2011 #155 Share Posted January 24, 2011 It doesn't bother me. We're going on vacation no matter what. I just feel sad for those that hate the sight of an entire demographic, and lead themselves to believe that if that demographic were somewhere else, it would be better for them. This is the problem: we're not talking about hating an entire demographic; we're talking about not allowing children at an adult dinner. Let's not get off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising Greek Posted January 24, 2011 #156 Share Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) This is the problem: we're not talking about hating an entire demographic; we're talking about not allowing children at an adult dinner. Let's not get off topic. Marci, My response was to the poster that stated: "Originally Posted by cruisebunnies I cannot understand why anyone would take small kids on any cruise.It is no holiday for the little ones or Mum and Dad, and as this post shows folks will be unhappy with children in certain venues. Take the little darlings to Disneyland or let Granma and Grampa spoil them for a week.Thats what my family does." I disagree with this statement, and they do speak about an entire demographic. They were talking about an entire cruise, and not just the dinning situation. Edited January 24, 2011 by Cruising Greek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyGuy747 Posted January 24, 2011 #157 Share Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) Just to throw some doubt into the mix again, here's the reply I received when requesting the Chef's Table: Good Day SkyGuy747, We received your request for Chef’s Table. Guests must be 21 or older to attend. If the guest are under 21 we have to request special access and we would have to arrange this ahead of time. We do not have the age of guest_2 , they are listed as unknown. Please email me back with the age information so we can proceed with the reservation. Thank you. Regards, XX Specialty Dining – Chef’s Table Royal Caribbean International 800-398-9819 option # It seems the TA didn't know the age of the other guest when the booking was made so left it blank (we're both over 12.) EDIT:: We're both over 21 as well, although you wouldn't say it if you saw us blowing bubbles at sail away :) :: Discuss. :D Edited January 24, 2011 by SkyGuy747 Transposed characters in age of participants causing threadmates to request refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merion_Mom Posted January 24, 2011 #158 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Just to throw some doubt into the mix again, here's the reply I received when requesting the Chef's Table: Good Day SkyGuy747, We received your request for Chef’s Table. Guests must be 21 or older to attend. If the guest are under 21 we have to request special access and we would have to arrange this ahead of time. We do not have the age of guest_2 , they are listed as unknown. Please email me back with the age information so we can proceed with the reservation. Thank you. Regards, XX Specialty Dining – Chef’s Table Royal Caribbean International 800-398-9819 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting**************800-398-9819******end_of_the_skype_highlighting option # It seems the TA didn't know the age of the other guest when the booking was made so left it blank (we're both over 12.) Discuss. :D Well, I hope that you are over 12, or your parents should be supervising what you do on your computer! :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommywholuvstocruise Posted January 24, 2011 #159 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Just to throw some doubt into the mix again, here's the reply I received when requesting the Chef's Table: Good Day SkyGuy747, We received your request for Chef’s Table. Guests must be 21 or older to attend. If the guest are under 21 we have to request special access and we would have to arrange this ahead of time. We do not have the age of guest_2 , they are listed as unknown. Please email me back with the age information so we can proceed with the reservation. Thank you. Regards, XX Specialty Dining – Chef’s Table Royal Caribbean International 800-398-9819 option # It seems the TA didn't know the age of the other guest when the booking was made so left it blank (we're both over 12.) EDIT:: We're both over 21 as well, although you wouldn't say it if you saw us blowing bubbles at sail away :) :: Discuss. :D Wow talk about exemptions. I guess rci's goal is to sell out the chef's table and they are going to do that any way that they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
family cruiserz Posted January 24, 2011 #160 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I cannot understand why anyone would take small kids on any cruise.It is no holiday for the little ones or Mum and Dad, and as this post shows folks will be unhappy with children in certain venues.Take the little darlings to Disneyland or let Granma and Grampa spoil them for a week.Thats what my family does. Gosh, my son is 5 and has been on 11 cruisers -- with Mommy, Daddy AND Grandma. I guarantee you he --and Grandma -- consider it a holiday. Would I take him to the Captains Table? No, I don't need to spend $75 for him to be bored silly. I noted on the Radiance that children are now welcomed in Portofino and Chops before 8:30 -- but I don't think we'll avail ourselves. The company might not be to our liking. Kindly remember that children are full-fare passengers with the right to enjoy their time at sea. They don't smoke where it's not permited, get drunk and abusive and generally don't engage in pushy, rude behaviour with other passengers -- which I have seen from many adults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galavant3 Posted January 24, 2011 #161 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I love children including my own three. However, if I booked the Chef's Table expecting an adult dinner, I would have been disappointed to find children at the table. As much as I enjoy children, the conversation is just not the same. I would not have objected at the time but I would have voiced my concerns privately after the fact. To me, this has nothing to do with liking or disliking children. If the dinner is advertised as adult only, it is reasonable to expect that to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuizer2 Posted January 24, 2011 #162 Share Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) I just checked my confirmation from RCCL....the email they sent me to confirm my Chef's Table reservation on the Oasis. I didn't recall if it had an age restriction...but it sure does. I highlighted it in pink. Here is part of the email confirmation: Reservations are for 7:30 PM and dinner is approximately 2 ½ hours long. Dress is smart casual except on formal nights where formal attire is also appropriate. Charges will be made to your Seapass Account once you are onboard. Cost is $75.00 per person and includes gratuities, guests must be 21, and penalty for cancellations within 24 hours is $25.00 per person. An e-mail after the reservation has been made is too late. It is like a speed limit sign that says the speed for last mile prior to the sign is X. You've made the reservation and the reservation has been accepted. It is too late to now claim there is an age restriction. If there is an age restriction, it must be spelled out BEFORE you make the reservation - not after. Edited January 24, 2011 by Cuizer2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuizer2 Posted January 24, 2011 #163 Share Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) Tamerella, the OP posted that 3 pages back. People like Cuizer2 just don't want to believe it. :rolleyes: Maybe the second time's the charm. :p Oh I believe it. It is just not enforceable. Once the reservation is made and the money paid, a contract exists. It is too late for the cruise line to now change the terms of the contract. As you will recall, the cruise lines tried to do this with the fuel supplement and the Florida AG said refund it or face criminal prosecution. If the cruise line want to enforce an age restriction, it must be spelled out prior to the reservation and the exchange of money. After that point any material changes, such as an age restriction are unenforceable. It is basic contract law. Perhaps you didn't read where a three and six year old were allowed at the Chef's table. Or perhaps you just don't believe that it happened. Edited January 24, 2011 by Cuizer2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merion_Mom Posted January 24, 2011 #164 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Oh I believe it. It is just not enforceable. Once the reservation is made and the money paid, a contract exists. It is too late for the cruise line to now change the terms of the contract. As you will recall, the cruise lines tried to do this with the fuel supplement and the Florida AG said refund it or face criminal prosecution. If the cruise line want to enforce an age restriction, it must be spelled out prior to the reservation and the exchange of money. After that point any material changes, such as an age restriction are unenforceable. It is basic contract law. Perhaps you didn't read where a three and six year old were allowed at the Chef's table. Or perhaps you just don't believe that it happened. The reservation was made/must be made on the website. The website will not accept the information for a guest who is not entered into the RC datebase as being 21 or older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merion_Mom Posted January 24, 2011 #165 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Oh I believe it. It is just not enforceable. Once the reservation is made and the money paid, a contract exists. It is too late for the cruise line to now change the terms of the contract. As you will recall, the cruise lines tried to do this with the fuel supplement and the Florida AG said refund it or face criminal prosecution. If the cruise line want to enforce an age restriction, it must be spelled out prior to the reservation and the exchange of money. After that point any material changes, such as an age restriction are unenforceable. It is basic contract law. Perhaps you didn't read where a three and six year old were allowed at the Chef's table. Or perhaps you just don't believe that it happened. Clearly, they violated their own rules. That doesn't mean that the rule isn't there. That doesn't mean that anyone should flout the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuizer2 Posted January 24, 2011 #166 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Clearly, they violated their own rules. That doesn't mean that the rule isn't there. Oh yes it does. If Royal Caribbean will not enforce their own rule, then it is a non-existent rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakincakes Posted January 24, 2011 #167 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Oh yes it does. If Royal Caribbean will not enforce their own rule, then it is a non-existent rule. Not true. The rule exists. Unenforcement does not negate the existence of it. We have plenty of laws on the books in this country that aren't enforced with any regularity. That doesn't negate the existence of the law. It merely demonstrates that there are plenty of idiots out there who ignore them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZ3 Posted January 24, 2011 #168 Share Posted January 24, 2011 First off, I agree that a dinner that is supposed to be an adult's only experience should not have children present. No argument there. But those of you who think childen have no place on a cruise are completely confused. My daughter is 9 and will be going on her fifth cruise in June. My 4 year old son his second. Both look more forward to cruising than the two trips we've taken to Disneyworld. My daughter has been to more countries and experienced more culture than most adults in the US. I encourage her to learn about the history of the palces we visit. Next year we hope to expand that to a Mediterranean cruise. I could also complain about old codgers with bad attitudes who shouldn't be in mixed public, but I won't. They have just as much right to cruise as my kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZ3 Posted January 24, 2011 #169 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Cruisebunnies, Really? In my experience, it is the perfect family vacation. Our daughter loves cruising. Our next cruise vacation will be her 4th, and she's only 5 years old. She loves eating in the main dining room as well as the specialty restaurants. She can't wait for the production shows as well as the ice shows. Besides your opinion there are others on these boards that seem to loathe even seeing children onboard. I cannot fathom these attitudes. Were we not all children at one point in our lives? Did we not look forward to vacations and quality time spent with our parents and family? I too have seen some fussy children on cruises, but did it really ruin our vacation? The state of the world these days puts a premium on time. It is the ability to take vacations such as cruising that makes all of our hard work seem worth it. We have no desire to dump our children on the Granparents for a week. We treasure each and every moment that we can spend with them. Life is precious and short, and we will not be deterred by negativity as you and others have shown on these boards towards the "little darlings". Perfectly stated. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinGerman Posted January 24, 2011 #170 Share Posted January 24, 2011 We cruised on Explorer in December and just got off the Adventure in January. Could someone please tell me what "Chef's Table" is? I've never heard of it until this thread. I apologize in advance for my ignorance. Kind regards, Gunther and Uta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marci22 Posted January 24, 2011 #171 Share Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) We cruised on Explorer in December and just got off the Adventure in January. Could someone please tell me what "Chef's Table" is? I've never heard of it until this thread. I apologize in advance for my ignorance. Kind regards, Gunther and Uta It needs a twist in direction... This is from the Why Not? blog... Chef’s table in the Concierge lounge (Oasis and Allure). The Chef’s table is in the upper level of the lounge, and the table is stunning. It features 14 seats, and at the head of the table is a presentation area where the chef can come out and explain how the courses are prepared, or demonstrate how to make something. Our Chef for the evening was our very own Keriann Von Raesfeld. from 150, so we were in for a real treat. Before sitting down to dinner, the idea is for our guests to have a cocktail party where they can meet and mingle with the other guests at the table. The table also has a very cool chandelier concept that Kelly Gonzalez and I found while walking around downtown Turku one night. The chef basically prepares the meal, and it is perfectly paired with a different wine for each course. The view of the boardwalk is amazing, and while we were having dinner, there was a demo of the fountain show at the Aquathreatre and the view was breathtaking. The Chef’s table will be offered once each night of the cruise, and will cost $75.00 per person. The dinner will include a happy hour, the meal, wine pairings with each course, a signed cookbook, and a chef’s apron. by Lisa Bauer - Senior VP, Hotel Operations Edited January 24, 2011 by marci22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinGerman Posted January 24, 2011 #172 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I've never been on an Oasis class ship yet. Sounds like a very interesting concept and worth trying. Silversea has a special wine-pairing menu in an intimate specialty restaurant. But dinner with the wine pairing costs $200 -- $75 sounds reasonable to me for such a nice, intimate experience. Thanks for answering my question -- so the thread can go on .......... Kind regards, Gunther and Uta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galavant3 Posted January 24, 2011 #173 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Oh yes it does. If Royal Caribbean will not enforce their own rule, then it is a non-existent rule. Whether the rule actually "exists" or not isn't really the issue. The event is advertised as an adult only event. If not failing to enforce their own rules it certainly does constitute false advertising. Regardless, if someone is expecting adult only company and finds children at the table I think they have a valid complaint. Not everyone will be disappointed if children are at the event but please understand that some (children loving) people sometimes want an adult only experience. It doesn't make us bad people :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisebunnies Posted January 24, 2011 #174 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Cruisebunnies, Really? In my experience, it is the perfect family vacation. Our daughter loves cruising. Our next cruise vacation will be her 4th, and she's only 5 years old. She loves eating in the main dining room as well as the specialty restaurants. She can't wait for the production shows as well as the ice shows. Besides your opinion there are others on these boards that seem to loathe even seeing children onboard. I cannot fathom these attitudes. Were we not all children at one point in our lives? Did we not look forward to vacations and quality time spent with our parents and family? I too have seen some fussy children on cruises, but did it really ruin our vacation? The state of the world these days puts a premium on time. It is the ability to take vacations such as cruising that makes all of our hard work seem worth it. We have no desire to dump our children on the Granparents for a week. We treasure each and every moment that we can spend with them. Life is precious and short, and we will not be deterred by negativity as you and others have shown on these boards towards the "little darlings". Dear cruising Greek, Just to clarify ,I have no objection to family vacations ,my 4 children have been on many,but as I have said cruising is not for LITTLE kids.Would you take the kids to Las Vegas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamerella Posted January 24, 2011 #175 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Oh I believe it. It is just not enforceable. Once the reservation is made and the money paid, a contract exists. It is too late for the cruise line to now change the terms of the contract. As you will recall, the cruise lines tried to do this with the fuel supplement and the Florida AG said refund it or face criminal prosecution. The reservation is made in advance and can be cancelled with at least 24 hours notice. There isn't a contract.....no money is paid until you are on the ship. The $75 fee is charged to your SeaPass card ON THE SHIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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